Sorry, but thats a pretty stupid comment.
With AirPlay the key is TO THEIR APPLE TV. It's the exact same situation, except an Xbox is much more useful than the current Apple TV.
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Sorry, but thats a pretty stupid comment.
With AirPlay the key is TO THEIR APPLE TV. It's the exact same situation, except an Xbox is much more useful than the current Apple TV.
This isnt how it works. Companies dont think "Crap, we've got to go to a convention in 6 months, quick...make something!", if something isn't ready, it wont be released, they arent going to develop something that'll make a very low revenue just for a convention, when instead they can get big publicity by announcing something that will sell more units. More units sold = more revenue, releasing a couple of games = very low revenue.
Think about it:
Sell a console, and you've got a new customer who will buy your games, pay for subscriptions, etc.
Sell a game and you get existing customers buying that game for a few months, then it drops off sharply to near zero revenue.
Either way, I'm pretty sure Microsoft have a much better idea on how to run their business than you or I do.
Why their conference was bad is irrelevant. When you watch an E3 conference your not thinking "Oh wow, I bet this is going to increase their revenues by 15%!" Its a venue to show off to the world your hand and try to build hype for your console/game. I don't know why you are throwing business into this.
The fact is... they didn't have a good conference.
Except the latency is terrible. Airplay really isn't built for games. I know you want to dream about that, but latency kills it.
w00master
Hmmm. Sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder if Ballmer has tried AirPlay...
What a shame. Microsoft was copying AirPlay so well until then.
I agree with most of this but saying "Antennae-gate" and red-ring of death are similar situations is very off. Red-ring of death was pretty rampant and made the console useless. The "Antennae-gate" issue was merely a usability issue, like Steve said "don't hold it like that".
Actually, $99.
But still, I agree that it's odd Apple calls this just a 'hobby'. I'm guessing, because if they want to cancel this product completely, change the interface or features abruptly, they can do this because it's 'just a hobby'.
I disagree with your premise that users don't expect more for the money. I have 3 Apple TVs in my household, and we can't live without them. Numerous friends and family have seen our Apple TVs and bought their own because of it's uses.
(We use it for streaming our daughter's Disney movies - instead of her scratching the physical media. The start up is instantaneous with no ads, and also great for those with sons/daughters who change their mind. She can ask for Cinderella, then 5 seconds later ask for Beauty and the Beast, and it's no problem with the remote. My brother now has thousands of movies - none bought through iTunes - he can all watch in his household at the click of a button. And all bedrooms have the same content, there's no need for a PC connected to each TV that has to be updated separately. The Apple TV is invaluable for this. I don't know any other product that makes this so easy - along with the best Netflix implementation I've seen from any of the Roku/X-Box/Tivo boxes)
God, WHAT is wrong with physical controllers!? I assume you'd prefer everything to function like Kinect? Where you just hope the device you're trying to interact with can somehow interpret whatever vague gestures you make?
When did we get so lazy that we decided using a peripheral as well-designed as a wireless xbox 360 is somehow "inconvenient"?
I guess you don't know anything about AirPlay. AirPlay does this exact thing too. Try not to drink the haterade.
Microsoft XBox news now?
Well, there's no Apple computer news and Apple users own Xboxes...
Simple... Xbox controller requires 2 hands. Normal remote uses 1.
However, anyone who complains about that should have purchased a harmony remote years ago.
You do have to admit that the 360 pad isn't the best for navigating through menus. Preferably, it'd use a controller that'd fit in one hand.
Anyway, the jist of this entire argument is that Microsoft is copying Apple for a technology they themselves didn't even invent. Like MS never had one of the better PC oriented media center setups readily available as far back as XP, and what we're seeing here isn't an extension of that.
No. Apple has AppleTV. Anything that comes out after that is a shameless ripoff. Excuse me while I sigh and abuse the eyeroll and Apple logo emotes. The discussions going on in this thread are pretty dumb when it comes right down to it.
This myth is about as bad as the one button mouse for Apple.
You can use most IR remotes you know.
w00master
And this will decide the outcome. Once again it will be about the end user experience.
Microsoft will offer their product supporting multiple OS'. Apple will be in the Apple Eco System. Period. If Microsoft pulls this off with cross platform performance that is seamless it will be a problem for Apple.
My money will ride on Apples announcements at WWDC. Many of the features Microsoft demoed require WIN 8. Win 8 IMO is only going to be sold on new build PC's for a while. Tons on Businesses still run on WIN XP NT Server, and are just moving to WIN 7.
10.8, iOS6, and a new ATV with a Sharp LED in 32" to 60" all in one swoop.
Followed by a 7" iPad with iControl.
Airplay is better - are you drunk ?
I awaiting since AirPlay was announced that Apple releases the Video part. So far they have not. So I can send the music from iTunes to my TV (as a remote speaker) but I still CANNOT do the same with video. Oh, and you CANNOT mirror the display of my MacPro onto the TV either - simply because my LCD runs a much higher resolution (2650x1600) my 55" is capable of.
So maybe this is the kick in Apple's butt - so that DENON can release an AV amp which will deserve the "V" in (AV) because it supports AirPlay video.
Oh, but that Tim doesn't like .... waiting ....
http://usa.denon.com/us/Airplayus/index.html
I awaiting since AirPlay was announced that Apple releases the Video part. So far they have not. So I can send the music from iTunes to my TV (as a remote speaker) but I still CANNOT do the same with video. Oh, and you CANNOT mirror the display of my MacPro onto the TV either - simply because my LCD runs a much higher resolution (2650x1600) my 55" is capable of.
So maybe this is the kick in Apple's butt - so that DENON can release an AV amp which will deserve the "V" in (AV) because it supports AirPlay video.
Oh, but that Tim doesn't like .... waiting ....
http://usa.denon.com/us/Airplayus/index.html
Just for you, they just came up with this:
Which I use and it is one of the smallest remotes there is. It can be coded for your TV and you can use most of its functions as well. $19.99 at WalMart and other places. Used the white one before and it worked well, too (my son dropped it once to many times).
MS could have said, "to use these XBOX features, you will need a Windows Phone". Instead, they will have apps readily available from the rival platforms. It's not like Apple where you need an iOS/OSX platform to use FaceTime.
I'm not sure where people are getting the smart glass app being an attack against the AppleTV. This implies that whatever Apple is going to do in the TV market requires you own an iPod Touch at the very least and an iPad if you want full functionality (which would triple the price of today's AppleTV if you don't own another iOS device). Yes, Apple could do this but I don't see them doing it. Apple doesn't see iOS devices as peripherals now (unless you count iCloud, then everything else they make is a peripheral to iCloud).
Sure they expanded Xbox marketplace into music (is this just a rebranding of Zune?) is competing with Apple. But the smart glass app has almost nothing to do with that. The Bing voice command thing is more of an attack against Apple (although I doubt it will be competitive against Siri with dev APIs...which I'm completely making up but assume will be in iOS 6).
Anyway, the whole smart glass thing looks more like a response to the Wii U (which is a basically a Wii with the graphics abilities of an Xbox 360 and a weird cross between a 7 inchish tablet and a controller). Essentially, it lets them compete against the Wii U without having everyone buy new hardware (since probably a fair number of people own a tablet of some sort).
This, of course, assumes that the iOS app will have full game functionality. I doubt Microsoft would intentionally cripple it to such a degree as being useless but it could run afoul of App Store rules (e.g. if it is downloading new code on the fly that would probably get it banned). We have to see how the game integration actually works before we can say.
PS: As far as Airplay, Apple isn't advertising this feature heavily yet so it shouldn't be considered a core functionality of the AppleTV.
Sure they expanded Xbox marketplace into music (is this just a rebranding of Zune?) is competing with Apple. But the smart glass app has almost nothing to do with that. The Bing voice command thing is more of an attack against Apple (although I doubt it will be competitive against Siri with dev APIs...which I'm completely making up but assume will be in iOS 6).
Anyway, the whole smart glass thing looks more like a response to the Wii U (which is a basically a Wii with the graphics abilities of an Xbox 360 and a weird cross between a 7 inchish tablet and a controller). Essentially, it lets them compete against the Wii U without having everyone buy new hardware (since probably a fair number of people own a tablet of some sort).
This, of course, assumes that the iOS app will have full game functionality. I doubt Microsoft would intentionally cripple it to such a degree as being useless but it could run afoul of App Store rules (e.g. if it is downloading new code on the fly that would probably get it banned). We have to see how the game integration actually works before we can say.
PS: As far as Airplay, Apple isn't advertising this feature heavily yet so it shouldn't be considered a core functionality of the AppleTV.
Those complaining that Microsoft is copying Apple - dream on.
Xbox 360 is a FAR superior media device. On mine I can get BBC iPlayer, 4OD, LoveFilm, Netflix and streaming LIVE TV from Sky. In the US there is also Hulu and a music store available
They have a far more solid multi-device strategy than Apple. Microsoft knows that one interface doesn't fit all, so modify accordingly for each device, while retaining the flavour.
Xbox 360 is a FAR superior media device. On mine I can get BBC iPlayer, 4OD, LoveFilm, Netflix and streaming LIVE TV from Sky. In the US there is also Hulu and a music store available
They have a far more solid multi-device strategy than Apple. Microsoft knows that one interface doesn't fit all, so modify accordingly for each device, while retaining the flavour.
Wow... head in sand much...
Although the antenna problem is not as fatal as the red-ring.