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Stupid name. Office has such a great reputation I don’t see why they would shoot themselves in the foot.

This means only one thing, office will turn100% subscription.
I don’t understand this article. In Australia, all these changes have already occurred. For AUD$10 a month, I get all Microsoft 365 apps, 1tb of cloud storage and unlimited personal vault. It's mostly worth it for me, especially after I abandoned Google and moved my photos over to Office. But mind you, the Office 365 iPad app is awful. It reboots every time you leave and come back. And the photos section? Damn near useless.
 
I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.

Nothing to do with making more money.
 
I think Microsoft Office sounds better. What does the “365” pertain to? It makes me think of Whole Foods 365.
Not just sounds better but is an instantly recognizable and familiar brand name.

Ask just about anyone what Microsoft Office is vs Microsoft 365 and more likely than not they'll know what Office is.

While Microsoft has had success in the past with renaming some products such as their web browser, it's because Internet Explorer was such a terrible product. Office is still a solid product and one of the most widely used set of applications. I'm in the dumb move camp.
 
I am the only one here sees Microsoft 365 services the best tooling for enterprises?
I think the 365 part is because its a Cloud solution that is ready go to 365
 
Oh goodie, here come the wave of 50+ work emails telling us about this and "how to prepare"...
my work only just managed to upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 11 has been out over a year now.

it has been ridiculous. they've taped bits of paper on every desk with "tips & tricks" on how to use Windows 10. also had loads of emails.

not looking forward to this change. Not sure what MS were thinking here. people hate change. this is only going to confuse and anger so many people lol.

in terms of personal usage, i don't use Office but i really do like the Office Outlook client. I hate using the basic Mail app on my PC at home. I'm not signing up to a sub or paying stupid money just for the Office Outlook client.
 
I don’t understand this article. In Australia, all these changes have already occurred. For AUD$10 a month, I get all Microsoft 365 apps, 1tb of cloud storage and unlimited personal vault. It's mostly worth it for me, especially after I abandoned Google and moved my photos over to Office. But mind you, the Office 365 iPad app is awful. It reboots every time you leave and come back. And the photos section? Damn near useless.
The subscription model has been renamed to Microsoft 365 a while back. "Microsoft Office" however still exists as well. Apparently the "Microsoft Office" branding will completely be replaced by "Microsoft 365"
 
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And hold on... in what world is this is a good name.

Microsoft 365... KEEP WORKING! All Year Round, NO BREAKS FOR YOU. DON'T RELAX YOU PLEBS, KEEEEEEP WORKING.
 
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Microsoft are idiots. Lets release a $4500 all in one Awesome Studio Touchscreen artist Desktop this week.... Oh and stick the Last gen CPU in there. No one will notice.
 
You want Office on your computer even if you don’t use it often.

Choice (in Canada):
- Office 365 at $79 a year subscription. After five years you’ve spent $500 and counting, for something you hardly usr.
- Office Home & Student = $169 purchase. Use it as long as your device functions.

365’s only advantage is you can transfer it to another machine at no cost, but in the long run you still pay more. A lot more. 365 comes with Outlook, but it’s meaningless because anyone can get Outlook without having to get Office. 365 for someone who uses it for business could find it appealing because they can write it off as an expense.

Subscriptions are just a way to extort money out of people by luring them with the appeal of low periodic cost. But add it up and it ain’t cheap.


I have Office on my 2011 iMac since new, but had to replace it because replacing my HDD with SSD in 2019 made it think it was another computer. I just installed a new version of Office. If I had been using 365 that would have cost me $869 plus taxes, practically a thousand bucks, for something I use periodically. As is it has cost $298 (based on today’s pricing as I don’t recall what I paid for office back in 2011).

I use Word because I don’t care for Pages. Yes, Pages can convert to a Word document, but you do have to convert it. Word is pretty much universal and I find it easier to understand and use—the only thing Microsoft I can actually say that about.
 
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I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.

I only whine about companies that only offer a subscription model. My personal preference is to buy software outright and I'm happy to stump up the, usually, quite significant upfront cost of the purchase. I do see the utility of subscription models in certain circumstances, especially where the software is more of a service with constant overheads that need to be provided by the developer (e.g. cloud storage and collaboration), but too many companies are using subscription purely because it brings in more money for them and ignore the fact its not so appealing to all their customers.

Autodesk is a good example, their CAD products are now industry standard and give them almost a monopoly in certain markets which makes their software mandatory in many companies. They no longer offer a perpetual license and instead charge £5658 for a 3 years subscription, prior to going to a subscription model only in 2016 a perpetual license cost around £3100. Companies are forced to accept the subscription model and pay significantly more than they would need to if a perpetual license was available, and I just do not see sufficient additional value to the customer for the hefty increase in price.
 
Questionable move in my opinion. "Office" is not only very established, but also very catchy. "365" doesn't roll off the tongue as easily, and just isn't as catchy or meaningful. If anything, it somewhat describes the subcription model (365 days / year), but not the product itself. Would love to learn the exact reasons why they ultimately decided this was a good move. I'm sure it was discussed and debated endlessly before the decision was made.

That said, I am a big fan of their products and the subscription models. Usually I can snag a yearly subscription for about 60€, which lets me install all current Office apps (sorry) on multiple computers, phones and tablets. Much more convenient than buying a new version every few years.
 
And what about OfficeDEPOTOfficeMax? Can they just call it DepotMax already?
 
Meanwhile, I still use the Apple suite of equivalent apps and email converted documents. I refuse to pollute my macs with anything from Redmond.
Agreed. Have not used any MS Redmond apps in over 8 years. The Apple brand apps are better designed and work better for my needs.

If you are not in a corporate environment or requied to use MS apps for some reason, there is no reason to pay them to do office work.

The "365" is there to remind you that you pay every day to use their apps.
 
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Formally known as Microsoft Office.
 
Stupid name. Office has such a great reputation I don’t see why they would shoot themselves in the foot.

This means only one thing, office will turn100% subscription.

It essentially already is. They make it very difficult and expensive to buy the “perpetual” license. And you have to use a Microsoft account to activate it anyway, they have completely removed all license key options.

That’s microsoft’s real goal, to get everyone on a Microsoft account so they can be marketed at constantly.

Windows is adware now.
 
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