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Microsoft Officially Kills Virtual PC
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Object-X said:
Well, let's say you are working on a Mac (bless you) and all your co-workers are using a PC. Suddenly, you have to work on the same documents (like a .doc, a .ppt or a .xls) Call it "incompatibility"...
I don't like MS but a lot of peoples (over 90%) still do...
morespce54 said:Well, let's say you are working on a Mac (bless you) and all your co-workers are using a PC. Suddenly, you have to work on the same documents (like a .doc, a .ppt or a .xls) Call it "incompatibility"...
I don't like MS but a lot of peoples (over 90%) still do...
Well, Pages can open and edit and save .doc files, and Keynote can do the same with .ppt files.
But formatting and the such can be an issue. NeoOffice/OpenOffice handles .doc and .ppt formatting better, from what I hear. I've never used OpenOffice extensively, so I wouldn't know.
Raven VII said:
But see, that's just it. If we're working back and forth on .docs and .xls's, we can't have ANY formating problems - they've got to match. AND I'm not going to jump through any hoops by using this or that piece of software to make it happen. Don't have time - gotta produce!
F14CRAZY said:
Ah! Ram Doubler and Speed Doubler - those were great - worked too!
I remember those days.
Therewas also a piece of software to emulate a floating point processor for those machines that didn't have one.
Remember shoe-horning into my SE a video card so I could attach a 21" monitor - yay RasterOps!
jagolden said:
Well, MS Office is a piece of software, so you kind of still have to "use this or that piece of software". If you find NeoOffice/OpenOffice (they're the same thing - NeoOffice is java-based, and OpenOffice uses X11. The only difference is that NeoOffice is a little behind on versions) handles formatting fine, then use it, and you won't have problems.
And guess what, they're both free. So why don't you go and try them out. Who knows, they might surprise you.
dernhelm said:
Well, I'd think there are a couple important distinctions. VMware's product will almost certainly be for Intel Macs only, so it's not going to be universal. Also, while MS has in-house expertise already on developing VPC on x86... those people aren't in the MacBU. Occasionally MS will "lend" people from one division to another, but it only seems to happen when the company as a whole sees the end result as being critical to MS's future (e.g. the XBox folks being shifted over to Zune).
I don't particularly like Microsoft, but I don't think they've been going out of their way to hurt Apple lately. Business is business. When there's a good business case for maintaining a product - such as Office - they continue to do so. If at some point the MacBU is not a moneymaker, it will go away.
Raven VII said:
BTW all, dont forget Codeweavers and the other project "Cider" by another company. I can currently run Office 2003 (Outlook is the only one that complains) currently on an MBP without Windows at all
....and if CIDER appears to be what it is, more and more Windows type programs can offer a wrapped version that will run naitively on Intel OSX.....say what you want...but as more and more options like this become available....Windows as an OS will just not be as important anymore....-Compufix
When MS bought vPC I figured that was the beginning of the end. They have a history of destroying great Mac products.
I'm so happy I sold my copy of VPC on eBay a couple weeks ago
I've been using Parallels with Win XP for a brief time, but it already appears to be far more stable and responsive than VPC ever was, even under Classic (it really had problems moving to OS X). I really don't blame Microsoft though for killing it, the product was inherently inferior to the latest offerings on the market, with little to no chance of ever catching up.
I've been using Parallels with Win XP for a brief time, but it already appears to be far more stable and responsive than VPC ever was, even under Classic (it really had problems moving to OS X). I really don't blame Microsoft though for killing it, the product was inherently inferior to the latest offerings on the market, with little to no chance of ever catching up.
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Two MacBU developers have posted very interesting comments on their blogs:
http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2006/08/08/saying-goodbye-to-visual-basic/
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2006/08/09/693499.aspx
Two MacBU developers have posted very interesting comments on their blogs:
http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2006/08/08/saying-goodbye-to-visual-basic/
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2006/08/09/693499.aspx
In Short
Microsoft SUCKS.
It is not like we did not know this.
Vista, and every other OS they have made SUCKS. They copy and follow. They do not lead, they are pathetic. They suck so much, I can't put it into words. They dominated because of their policies and because of Apple. The are bad and Jesus, they are going to suck for a lot longer. remember, Ballmer is the King of Innovation now at MS.
Enough said
Microsoft SUCKS.
It is not like we did not know this.
Vista, and every other OS they have made SUCKS. They copy and follow. They do not lead, they are pathetic. They suck so much, I can't put it into words. They dominated because of their policies and because of Apple. The are bad and Jesus, they are going to suck for a lot longer. remember, Ballmer is the King of Innovation now at MS.
Enough said
jagolden said:
When we first started to look into macs for our company the very first thing people wanted to know was how would documents look and be saved. ITs nice to say that openoffice is close, but close isnt a match. Im hoping the new ODF (open document format) will solve these problems!
Doubt it. This is Microsoft remember. Also, I think it is still going to get sold for PPC, it's just they no longer plan a Intel/Universal build of it.Bobdude161 said:
Give it up to when it is no longer available to buy for PPC then it becomes abandonware I believe.
Macrumors said:
Microsoft has claimed that to port VirtualPC to Intel would be much like making VirtualPC 1.0 all over again.
That sounds like a load of rubbish to me. They have VirtualPC for PC, so the actual "virtualisation" part could be taken from there. They also know how to use the various hooks in MacOSX, because that's what VPC7 for mac uses.
Which is not to say that it would be an easy task, but let's say that 50% of the work was already done. This seems like a reasonable estimate to me, and would be backed up by the time it has taken VMWare to create their Intel Mac version of their PC software....
I'm not normally one for conspiracy theory, but with Microsoft dropping WMP, IE, VirtualPC, and reducing 100% support for Office on the Mac, all in the last 12 months, I would suggest that Redmond is starting to get a little worried about Apple for the first time since the 1980s