Microsoft has gone to Nintendo about making a console together, and Nintendo has refused. The most likely reasoning for Microsofts switch is to thwart people from using Linux. As for why I voted negative: I want IBM to do this with Nintendo, not Microsoft
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Microsoft Picks IBM for XBox 2
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how much does a G5 processor cost?
Is it economical enough to use in a game console with a $200 - 300 price tag. If so than I am starting to feel really disenfranchised here. My sawtooth is way old an I am staring at $600 price tags to upgrade the processor with faster G4 cards.
What clock speed do you think they will run at? 1.2 Ghz or faster?
Is it economical enough to use in a game console with a $200 - 300 price tag. If so than I am starting to feel really disenfranchised here. My sawtooth is way old an I am staring at $600 price tags to upgrade the processor with faster G4 cards.
What clock speed do you think they will run at? 1.2 Ghz or faster?
Future of MS vs MAC
The most interesting aspect of Microsoft's switch from Intel to IBM for Xbox 2 processors must be that they seem to have more faith in IBM than in Intel in the ability to produce fast processors - at least for gaming.
The G5 may be the turning point after all!! When do we get the second mouse button and the scroll wheel?
The most interesting aspect of Microsoft's switch from Intel to IBM for Xbox 2 processors must be that they seem to have more faith in IBM than in Intel in the ability to produce fast processors - at least for gaming.
The G5 may be the turning point after all!! When do we get the second mouse button and the scroll wheel?
Phil Of Mac
macrumors 68020
Probably not. Microsoft develops a lot of Mac software, including Virtual PC, and they need to test it on the G5, especially Virtual PC.
iLilana
macrumors 6502a
just in case anyone missed it
the new x-box should be nice although I have a feeling it's going to be combined with windows media center... or media center type gui may be the installed OS. For those talking about the PS3.. its out already only its called the PSX and only available in Japan currently. There are two models. It costs...(are you sitting?) 955.00 and 1299.00 approximately canadian dollars. Thats still about 700 & 850 US. It is howwever more than just a PS. It's also a TIVO like machine and digital hub device. (for us canadians who don't get TIVO thats a DTS with a digital recorder and a pretty funky GUI). I don't read Japanese so translations would be nice.
160 & 250 GB HDD for hours of Family Guy and Clone Wars
http://www.jp.playstation.com/psworld/psx/index.html
the new x-box should be nice although I have a feeling it's going to be combined with windows media center... or media center type gui may be the installed OS. For those talking about the PS3.. its out already only its called the PSX and only available in Japan currently. There are two models. It costs...(are you sitting?) 955.00 and 1299.00 approximately canadian dollars. Thats still about 700 & 850 US. It is howwever more than just a PS. It's also a TIVO like machine and digital hub device. (for us canadians who don't get TIVO thats a DTS with a digital recorder and a pretty funky GUI). I don't read Japanese so translations would be nice.
160 & 250 GB HDD for hours of Family Guy and Clone Wars
http://www.jp.playstation.com/psworld/psx/index.html
The PSX is NOT the PS3. The PSX is just a PS2 that has some sweet upgrades, such as the ability to work as a PVR, and the ability (I believe) to burn DVDs. The PS3 will be an all new console, and is expected to be released in 2006. GameCube 2 (or whatever it may be called), on the other hand, is expected to be released in 2005.
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
Backward compatibility
I think that the number of people who buy a console based on backward compatibility is failry low. Sega offered such a deal for the Genesis for Master system games. (hear the crickets chirping?)
If you got all those old games, you probably have the old console to play them on.
The reason the PS2 sold so well was because it's games we so much better looking/sounding from PS1 and because Sony knows how to lure game shops into producing. I mean, look at GT3 compared to GT1 & 2, that game alone probably sold a quarter of the PS2's in service today!
(BTW - I'm a GameCube owner and have an Xbox as well. XBox's controllers suck so bad that I rarely even turn it on.)
I think that the number of people who buy a console based on backward compatibility is failry low. Sega offered such a deal for the Genesis for Master system games. (hear the crickets chirping?)
If you got all those old games, you probably have the old console to play them on.
The reason the PS2 sold so well was because it's games we so much better looking/sounding from PS1 and because Sony knows how to lure game shops into producing. I mean, look at GT3 compared to GT1 & 2, that game alone probably sold a quarter of the PS2's in service today!
(BTW - I'm a GameCube owner and have an Xbox as well. XBox's controllers suck so bad that I rarely even turn it on.)
IBM is not developing a new processor for the PS3. The PS3 will use the CELL processor, which is a joint venture between Sony, Toshiba and IBM. Toshiba makes the current PS2 core. The CELL processor will be used by Sony and Toshiba. Sony will use it in the PS3 as well as other products, how many cores it has depends on the purpose. Toshiba will also use it in their consumer electronics. Saying the cell is an IBM processor is not entirely true. It could be more of an R&D thing for IBM then anything else.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
🙄 Ya know Steve Jobs breaths air. So does Bill Gates. Dang copycats. It isn't even a PC platform for god sake. 😛 There's no copy about it. 🙁
On the bright side I've seen a BSOD in an Xbox game on a friends system. I just about soiled myself.
Unfortunately MS can afford 10 more generations of XBox until they get it right. The company can't fail when you have that kind of money in my pockets.
If they made a new console every year, they would have to pass that onto the consumer thus raising prices. Then what happens if you used a new core and the game developers created it for the newer hardware and it looked lousy on he platform that was sold last month. If the platforms change too often, consumers of the first version and later could be locked out. That is version, not generation. The PS2 has a few versions.
silvergunuk
macrumors regular
This is great news. We might aswell start making xbox 2, gamecube and ps3 emulators on the mac. Just a little tinker here and there and we can have more games than the pc. Maybe Microsoft did this because intels chips are way too expensive and it would be harder to make xbox2 emulators for pc. If some one makes it on the mac, the market is smaller so xbox 2 sales will still be reasonable. Think they'll use apples XCode? 🙂)
Mac or PC
If Microsoft did use a PPC chip for Xbox wouldn't they be close to running Windows native on a PPC as well, this would help a lot of PC vendors to switch chips it would also allow Microsoft to run their OS on any Platform.
Apple could do the same with OS X
This could be very good for Microsoft but I don't think it's good news for Apple as a Hardware Producer.
I wouldn't want to see OS X on a PC. The Return of the Clones?
Also if you could boot the mac with Windows as the main OS why would Microsoft want to develop any Mac software.
If Microsoft did use a PPC chip for Xbox wouldn't they be close to running Windows native on a PPC as well, this would help a lot of PC vendors to switch chips it would also allow Microsoft to run their OS on any Platform.
Apple could do the same with OS X
This could be very good for Microsoft but I don't think it's good news for Apple as a Hardware Producer.
I wouldn't want to see OS X on a PC. The Return of the Clones?
Also if you could boot the mac with Windows as the main OS why would Microsoft want to develop any Mac software.
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
Yes, Microsoft approached Nintendo near the release of GC/Xbox and pleaded them to join them and scrap GameCube at that late stage. Apparently Nintendo was half going for it. But it would never have been old Yamauchi's style. Thank god they didn't.
Just hope they didn't make the same mistake as when they cancelled the SNES CD add-on "PlayStation"🙁 😀
It's happening though... GameCube is firmly at number 3 in the market 🙁
Back on topic, I still think Microsoft just wants to cut down on the pirating and PC-like image of Xbox. Also, Xbox's 733MHz didn't sound too good to PC users when they were getting 1GHz+ PCs at the time of launch 😀 😉
This COULD be good news for Mac gamers.. I don't know anything about what's involved with porting games, but this is prolly going to be a PowerPC processor... Thus, wouldn't it be easier to port such games to a Mac platform? Also interesting that m$ is going with something other than intel for it's next gen gaming system. I have no idea why - it seems that intel would be cheaper, and most game companies develop for it anyways. I'm probably wrong. Interesting news...
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
Re: Mac or PC
But it should be good news for possible Mac ports, games and otherwise.
I would have thought that Apple would build something into Mac OS and their hardware that would prohibit that.
But it should be good news for possible Mac ports, games and otherwise.
I just hope Nintendo can get there stuff together in time! I'm a fan of their stuff - but not having all the cutting edge mature games is killing them! They need to market their product similarly to PS IMO!!! It's not like kids aren't playing these games anyways!
silvergunuk
macrumors regular
hmmm interesting
Would this mean that apple mac G5s would be used as part of the xbox 2 development kits? 🙂)
Would this mean that apple mac G5s would be used as part of the xbox 2 development kits? 🙂)
Apparently, Microsoft has since gone to Nintendo again and asked them to join them for the Xbox 2, or so I've heard. I'm glad they refused twice, because I would have trouble supporting Nintendo as much as I do. On the other hand, I wish they hadn't cancelled the SNES add on with Sony. Talk about your bad business decisions.
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
So they are still frightened of Nintendo? Or more likely, they want to add weight to their campaign against PlayStation. Erk! Zelda on Xbox?!
A truly bizarre break with tradition for Nintendo to release something actually BEFORE the competition!🙄 OK, the NES was, but I digress...
I have an Xbox and I am deeply dissapointed with it beyond the first batch of games, and apart from knights of the old republic.
PS2 is just that more sucessful, apart from final fantasy series they just have more games period. Maybe its just me but my Final Fantasy X still looks better then all my xbox games put together
I think PS2 has won the console war, so the fact that future XBOX products has IBM chips I don't care ^^
PS2 is just that more sucessful, apart from final fantasy series they just have more games period. Maybe its just me but my Final Fantasy X still looks better then all my xbox games put together
I think PS2 has won the console war, so the fact that future XBOX products has IBM chips I don't care ^^