LagunaSol
macrumors 601
NEWSFLASH: Windows 8 isn't out yet. Nor does anyone know when it will be.
Kinda hard to win a race when your car isn't even at the track.
Oh, and you may want to work on the anger issues.
P.S. I do own Apple stock.
Microsoft Previews Windows 8 with Cues from iPad and App Store
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NEWSFLASH: Windows 8 isn't out yet. Nor does anyone know when it will be.
Kinda hard to win a race when your car isn't even at the track.
Oh, and you may want to work on the anger issues.
P.S. I do own Apple stock.
I think Apple and Microsoft are taking two different approaches to developing a complete tablet os - IMHO:
Apple's approach is incremental and iterative, increasing capabilities as the mobile hardware can handle it - with a greater emphasis on user experience.
Microsoft doesn't appear to be as agile as apple - microsoft continues to go for big releases where they shoehorn everything in, and worry about fine-tuning, fixing bugs and usability issues after the fact.
I'm not impressed with windows 8's UI - calling it innovative because it's different doesn't mean it's very good at all.
NAG
macrumors 68030
Which is a great selling point because it isn't like the iPad has outsold every Windows tablet combined. Oh...
The problem is this combination is a contradiction. You have a UI that is touch optimized (this is nothing like 10.7 going gesture heavy, those buttons are finger sized) and the standard Windows 7 UI (which does not work on tablets unless you hate yourself or have surgically modified your fingers to have stylus tips). The two UIs should not exist at the same time. It would be like if 10.7 suddenly popped into iPad mode with huge buttons (imagine iOS on a 24 inch screen...yeah).
Yeah, like how they got all those features into Longhorn.
Microsoft makes great tech demos. They haven't actually delivered in years, though. Microsoft better watch out or they'll hit their Copland and they won't have a Steve Jobs to pull their rear out of the ditch they drove themselves into.
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Win8...WHEN? IE10...WHEN? NO FLASH!
WHAT! Microsoft Windows 8 will be HTML5 based? NO FLASH Programs & games support? WHAT! With all the PC Babies crying about Apple & iPads not running FLASH so they can play their widdle games with all the other widdle kiddies WAA WAA! NOW Microsoft is siding with Steve Jobs & his NO FLASH support announcement? HAHAHAHAHA!
A little based on iPad iOS? WOW! That's an understatement. ZunieTunes GUI + iOS = WIN8Slate OS.
What? NO stylus support from Bill Gate's demands for stylus with his Faux Tab Flip-top Laptop Tablet to be easy to take hand written notes via hand writing recognition software aka Apple NEWTON PDA Tablet software from 1990's?
MS VAPORWARE for the AT8 Conference to upstage Apple at next Tuesday's WWDC on June 6, 2011...I will believe this from Microsoft when I see it up & running for sale on a real Slate in 2012? 2013? By then Lion OSX & iPad3 / iPhone5 iOS will be upgraded once again to still be lightyears ahead of MS. PURE PR BS to save face & keep millions of PC people from jumping ship to Apple & Google.
WHAT! Microsoft Windows 8 will be HTML5 based? NO FLASH Programs & games support? WHAT! With all the PC Babies crying about Apple & iPads not running FLASH so they can play their widdle games with all the other widdle kiddies WAA WAA! NOW Microsoft is siding with Steve Jobs & his NO FLASH support announcement? HAHAHAHAHA!
A little based on iPad iOS? WOW! That's an understatement. ZunieTunes GUI + iOS = WIN8Slate OS.
What? NO stylus support from Bill Gate's demands for stylus with his Faux Tab Flip-top Laptop Tablet to be easy to take hand written notes via hand writing recognition software aka Apple NEWTON PDA Tablet software from 1990's?
MS VAPORWARE for the AT8 Conference to upstage Apple at next Tuesday's WWDC on June 6, 2011...I will believe this from Microsoft when I see it up & running for sale on a real Slate in 2012? 2013? By then Lion OSX & iPad3 / iPhone5 iOS will be upgraded once again to still be lightyears ahead of MS. PURE PR BS to save face & keep millions of PC people from jumping ship to Apple & Google.
Thunderbird
macrumors 6502a
The StatCounter uses only one metric, a clicky web analytics. Try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
It uses multiple sources and methodologies, including clicky web analytics and Global Stats, and comes to different figures. The median figure for Apple OS X is 7.54%
But no one knows for sure, as reliable data (especially controlling for desktop OS only) is difficult to get and to analyze.
It's always just a layer. You want to see what Mac OS X looks like without all the layers on top, hold down command-S at startup. That's not an alternate version of start-up, that is Mac OS X starting up normally and then stopping before it finishes loading all the layers.
Sardonick007
macrumors regular
Right
Yea, because Apple (and everybody) NEVER takes ideas and makes them their own. Please. Get off the Apple cart, this is the business. Everybody uses popular ideas and incorporates them, makes them better, or attempts to adopt them in some way. If nobody did that we'd have one car, one store, pretty much one of everything. Welcome to Stepford.
Windows is at it again, stealing ideas from Apple.
Yea, because Apple (and everybody) NEVER takes ideas and makes them their own. Please. Get off the Apple cart, this is the business. Everybody uses popular ideas and incorporates them, makes them better, or attempts to adopt them in some way. If nobody did that we'd have one car, one store, pretty much one of everything. Welcome to Stepford.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
It is amazing how Microsoft always has a little "sneak peak" for some product (launch date unknown) right before a major Apple event.
It smells of desperation. And melancholy.
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
I can think of multiple cases were it would be nice to have both UI.
that tile based US for when you are working on it as a tablet but hook it up to a keyboard and mouse you will want to use the Windows 7 UI.
That kind of shows you giving it both.
It could replace having to carry around a laptop and a tablet because lets face it something like the iPad can not replace your computer. It supplemental it but stilll there is just a lot of things you need a computer for. Big time if you need to do something that requires a lot of typing.
I sure as hell would not want to write more than a few sentences on a touch screen.
It nice that it gives the windows 7 UI for those few older apps you might need access too so it makes it easier to replace it.
So doing something like this at a major conferences means they are doing it right before an Apple event....
Apple does not really go to any events unless it is an Apple run event. Other wise they do not seem to touch it. I willing to bet no matter if WWDC was next week or not this would of happen. AllthingsD was this week and MS chances are planned to make this preview months ago. Long before WWDC date was even known.
NAG
macrumors 68030
So you're basically arguing that the only important thing about the iPad is the fact that it has a touch screen? That nothing else matters? I don't want to put words in your mouth here so I'm asking.
johncarync
macrumors regular
Headline from the future
I used my time machine and I just got back from June 1st, 2013--2 years in the future--and here's an article I brought back with me...
Microsoft Pushing to Get Windows 8 Out by End of June -- June 1, 2013
In 2011, Microsoft gave many creative demonstrations of Windows 8 and a proposed release date in 2012. After a couple of promising months, Microsoft then went silent on the features and release date of Windows 8. Now they hope to have it out by the end of this month. Unfortunately the version of Windows we will get looks very little like what we saw two years ago in 2011.
Complaints from users, government agencies, software designers, and computer manufacturers (plus a few law suits) caused Microsoft to rethink their new operating system. Now what we will get is something that looks strikingly like Windows 7 with a few added bells and whistles. Sure you can set your computer to have the neat tile interface they demoed but now it's just an app, it doesn't load by default, and there aren't very many plugins that will work with it. Compatibility issues also took their toll on the new features--many PCs just didn't have the processor power necessary to run all the neat features that were originally promised. There are 16 versions of Windows 8 ranging in price from $149 to $325.
It appears the company that will benefit the most from this botched release will be Apple. They are now at 14% market share but, after seeing Windows 8, many analysts feel Windows users will switch to Macs and push Apple's share to between 20-25%. Apple stock was up 3% today at a price of around $557.
I used my time machine and I just got back from June 1st, 2013--2 years in the future--and here's an article I brought back with me...
Microsoft Pushing to Get Windows 8 Out by End of June -- June 1, 2013
In 2011, Microsoft gave many creative demonstrations of Windows 8 and a proposed release date in 2012. After a couple of promising months, Microsoft then went silent on the features and release date of Windows 8. Now they hope to have it out by the end of this month. Unfortunately the version of Windows we will get looks very little like what we saw two years ago in 2011.
Complaints from users, government agencies, software designers, and computer manufacturers (plus a few law suits) caused Microsoft to rethink their new operating system. Now what we will get is something that looks strikingly like Windows 7 with a few added bells and whistles. Sure you can set your computer to have the neat tile interface they demoed but now it's just an app, it doesn't load by default, and there aren't very many plugins that will work with it. Compatibility issues also took their toll on the new features--many PCs just didn't have the processor power necessary to run all the neat features that were originally promised. There are 16 versions of Windows 8 ranging in price from $149 to $325.
It appears the company that will benefit the most from this botched release will be Apple. They are now at 14% market share but, after seeing Windows 8, many analysts feel Windows users will switch to Macs and push Apple's share to between 20-25%. Apple stock was up 3% today at a price of around $557.
It's amazing how many people are making comments without watching the video or reading about Windows 8.
The "new" UI is touch based, yes. But Windows 8 STILL has the Windows 7 Aero interface. Switching between the two is instant and MS said that Windows 8 requirements (go to Engadget if you don't believe me), will be the same as Windows 7 or lower.
Windows 8 ARM is designed for ARM processors. It WILL run on ARM processors. Don't forget that Windows 8 won't be out until around the end of next year, and in that time, ARM processors should be taking a HUGE jump, especially if nvidia sticks to their release schedule. nvidia's Kal-El then Wayne updates will take their performance above a 2GHz Core 2 Duo.
Microsoft also announced that "Windows 8 Development Platform" is cross platform, x86 and ARM.
As another poster on this forum put it awhile ago, "Apple is the enemy of RAM". Other companies are not. So Windows 8 with this new UI on an iPad like device should run great. Granted, you're not going to be playing Crysis on it, but it'll be significantly more capable than the locked down and artificially limited iPad.
The "new" UI is touch based, yes. But Windows 8 STILL has the Windows 7 Aero interface. Switching between the two is instant and MS said that Windows 8 requirements (go to Engadget if you don't believe me), will be the same as Windows 7 or lower.
Windows 8 ARM is designed for ARM processors. It WILL run on ARM processors. Don't forget that Windows 8 won't be out until around the end of next year, and in that time, ARM processors should be taking a HUGE jump, especially if nvidia sticks to their release schedule. nvidia's Kal-El then Wayne updates will take their performance above a 2GHz Core 2 Duo.
Microsoft also announced that "Windows 8 Development Platform" is cross platform, x86 and ARM.
As another poster on this forum put it awhile ago, "Apple is the enemy of RAM". Other companies are not. So Windows 8 with this new UI on an iPad like device should run great. Granted, you're not going to be playing Crysis on it, but it'll be significantly more capable than the locked down and artificially limited iPad.
faroZ06
macrumors 68040
I think the guy you're responding to is trolling. And I had Apple stock but sold it (a bit before the peak
)coolfactor
macrumors 604
I'm sure a ton of people have already corrected you, but it sure sounds like you're saying that HMTL5 means No Flash. That's not the case at all. They are mutually exclusive technologies. It just so happens there's overlap in capabilities.
coolfactor
macrumors 604
I do admit that Windows Phone 7 and this new Windows 8 touch interface are refreshing new takes on the user interface. Apple went with lots of gradients and transparency... MS came along and flattened and simplified the look. It's actually quite a profound move. I'm impressed.
faroZ06
macrumors 68040
Yeah, that guy's probably a severe Apple fanboy. What, Safari can't have Flash because it supports HTML5?
Well, I barely use Flash actually and hope Flash dies (it's really laggy), so I'd be glad if MS didn't use Flash. Still, they probably will.
NAG
macrumors 68030
I can't speak for everyone else but the problem is that the touch UI so far looks like a thin facade and everything will just default to the standard Windows UI as it has every other time Microsoft has tried something like this. It is a fear that Microsoft will do the same thing yet again (over promise, under deliver). It feels like they're making fancier widgets.
Oh, regarding ARM processors, the main argument for the old UI seems to be to run apps like Photoshop or Excel or something similar. I'll be seriously impressed if an ARM processor can run those apps satisfactorily. Again, Microsoft is long on promises and short on actual delivery. We'll see how this turns out when they release it, but I'm not holding my breath.
faroZ06
macrumors 68040
I wouldn't call it a copy. Just because Apple is making a similar move -- putting mobile GUI stuff in the OS -- doesn't mean MS is "stealing". Otherwise, Apple would be "stealing" from Blackberry by making smartphones and from MS for making iWork.
But MS stole other things, such as the entire Mac OS in 1984
benthewraith
macrumors 68040
God forbid a user of a different OS can't comment on a rival OS without being considered biased. The tile system on a desktop computer is a terrible idea. Particularly since it appears to be a layer on top of another layer. Apple is making this same stupid move in incorporating elements of iOS in Lion.
TMar
macrumors 68000
I wouldn't call it a copy. Just because Apple is making a similar move -- putting mobile GUI stuff in the OS -- doesn't mean MS is "stealing". Otherwise, Apple would be "stealing" from Blackberry by making smartphones and from MS for making iWork.
But MS stole other things, such as the entire Mac OS in 1984
Apparently you miss the sarcasm...
benthewraith
macrumors 68040
But MS stole other things, such as the entire Mac OS in 1984
And Apple stole from Xerox...