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Really?

Trade in your awesome tablet for this piece of crap for a LIMITED TIME ONLY.
Microsoft is pretty desperate.
I admitt, however, access to a file system is sort-of cool, but not worth an iPad lol.
Plus, that file system is Windows. And windows is trash.
 
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Never said MS was broke, just that there is likely more profit margin in an old iPad than in a new Surface. There certainly is more desire.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

Well, there's no question that an iPad typically will command a higher profit margin. Apple sells them for WAY more than it costs them to build, after all, and particularly since the price drop to $349 on the Surface RT, margins naturally fell. However, margins alone don't tell the whole story--often you can make a bigger overall profit by selling volume over just per-unit. If you're lucky enough to do both, as Apple has been able to, then that's just gravy :). However, those days are coming to a close even for Apple. As Android and Windows tablets start to permeate the market at the $200 and up price points, a $500 iPad is going to make less and less sense.
 
isn't this a rip off? won't an ipad 2 easily sell on ebay for well more than 200$ ? a quick check seems to indicate it will. won't microsoft resell these anyway and make a profit on the exchange?

microsoft is dire straits trying to rip of customers with this deal.
 
Trade in your awesome tablet for this piece of crap for a LIMITED TIME ONLY.
Microsoft is pretty desperate.
I admitt, however, access to a file system is sort-of cool, but not worth an iPad lol.
Plus, that file system is Windows. And windows is trash.

Windows is trash? Guess I should tell that to my friends who have Windows 8 laptops and their only complaint is that they wish it had better battery. Doesn't help that one is a cheap laptop and the other is an old Asus RoG.
 
Windows is trash? Guess I should tell that to my friends who have Windows 8 laptops and their only complaint is that they wish it had better battery. Doesn't help that one is a cheap laptop and the other is an old Asus RoG.

Yep, a few minutes to get used to and all is well. Not even sure why Windows is hated to such a degree over just preferring OSX over it.
 
Oh, I prefer OS X for a lot of things.

I prefer Windows for others.

Guess I'm a freak.

The universe cannot handle it!

I just like tech in general and whatever does what I want and or need. I would seriously have an iPhone 5s and a Note 3 and switch the sim card just so I could use both hones if I felt like it. At least as a thought.
 
The universe cannot handle it!

I just like tech in general and whatever does what I want and or need. I would seriously have an iPhone 5s and a Note 3 and switch the sim card just so I could use both hones if I felt like it. At least as a thought.

This is a great time to like computers in general, really.
 
Invest on your company

Microsoft:
How about invest that money in make better product? This is just saying that you can't compete with Apple
Shame on you
 
Microsoft:
How about invest that money in make better product? This is just saying that you can't compete with Apple
Shame on you

Huh?

Edit: It says more that they're trying to break into a market that's hard to break into. And it is. Ask all of the failed non-iOS/Android tablet makers out there.
 
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Except that isn't how the retina display works. It has a higher resolution, but it isn't showing more on screen, there is just more pixel data within the same space, making images and whatnot sharper and less grainy.

Having said that, I agree that RT is a heaping pile of crap. The Surface Pro is the only viable alternative.
I think you misunderstand. Retina in a native app "can" work that way but when you are connected remotely, you can display more than 1024X768. Also, video editing apps can display 1920X1080 video and still have room to spare for editing tools on an iPad.

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Err.... you have built in remote computing. Don't make it seem otherwise. As for the resolution difference, that doesn't make any sense. An iPad with a retina display is effectively the same resolution as an iPad 2, but it does pixel doubling.
Wrong. A native app can use larger controls with double the DPI but it is not pixel doubling. The only time you would have pixel doubling is if the application is not retina aware.

A video editor can display 1080p video to pixel precision on a Retina iPad while still having room for an edit window with controls on it. You can also see every pixel of a photograph and a remote window viewer can be programs to display above 1024X768 resolution onscreen.

I was able to display high resolution view of my rMP using logmein software on my Retina iPad.
 
Err.... you have built in remote computing. Don't make it seem otherwise. As for the resolution difference, that doesn't make any sense. An iPad with a retina display is effectively the same resolution as an iPad 2, but it does pixel doubling.

I'm gonna back up Aristotle on this one. I think the one thing that throws everyone is the phrase "effective resolution". It confuses a whole bunch of points and makes people misinterpret tons of things. The better, simpler way to put it, though it doesn't sound as cool, would be "all your UI elements are still the same size as..."
 
I think you misunderstand. Retina in a native app "can" work that way but when you are connected remotely, you can display more than 1024X768. Also, video editing apps can display 1920X1080 video and still have room to spare for editing tools on an iPad.

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Wrong. A native app can use larger controls with double the DPI but it is not pixel doubling. The only time you would have pixel doubling is if the application is not retina aware.

A video editor can display 1080p video to pixel precision on a Retina iPad while still having room for an edit window with controls on it. You can also see every pixel of a photograph and a remote window viewer can be programs to display above 1024X768 resolution onscreen.

I was able to display high resolution view of my rMP using logmein software on my Retina iPad.

I'm gonna back up Aristotle on this one. I think the one thing that throws everyone is the phrase "effective resolution". It confuses a whole bunch of points and makes people misinterpret tons of things. The better, simpler way to put it, though it doesn't sound as cool, would be "all your UI elements are still the same size as..."

Ah, my mistake.

Edit: Still don't see how having a 1080p screen at 10.1" would enable me to do more work than a 1366x768 screen at 10.6".
 
another desperate movement by microsoft, the'll never have the glory of being number 1, ipad5 will completely destroy the microsoft tablets.
 
I pity those who would go for these deals... I would rather it go the other way around. Screw the surface, get the iPad... then again, they won't do that since they can't do anything with the surface after getting it.
 
Edit: Still don't see how having a 1080p screen at 10.1" would enable me to do more work than a 1366x768 screen at 10.6".

It's not necessarily about being able to do more work than it is being able to work on it more comfortably. Dense PPI displays allow you to pack smaller amounts of information more closely together while still keeping things legible. Looking at a webpage on a Retina iPad in portrait orientation is a good example of this. I can read the text on an unzoomed webpage without struggling at all, despite the fact it's probably less than half the point size of the text displayed on my 24" 1080p monitor.
 
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