Microsoft seems to be getting more innovative than Apple

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  1. hajime macrumors 68040

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    I am watching Windows 10 Event. The 3D stuffs seem to be innovative. If the OS is stable, maybe it is time to switch platform.

    I wonder the GPU requirement to use the 3D related things.
     
  2. BMcCoy macrumors 65816

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    This is impressive.

    Microsoft doing something special here.
     
  3. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    I can't say how good they are, but Nadella is definitely the right man in the right place at the right time. I deeply respect him.
     
  4. BMcCoy macrumors 65816

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    Wow - if you wanted a new iMac unveiled.. then get a Surface Studio instead! Wowser... what a display.
     
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    My jaw dropped. That thing is like an iPad pro+iMac on steroids and cocaine while drinking coffee.
     
  6. hajime thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Too bad they did not announce new laptop. Will the new 2016 MBP be compatible with this new version of Windows?
     
  7. Three141 macrumors 6502

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    We seem to be on a roll recently this is two years of great conferences; our act is finally together with new leadership.
    We seem to be innovating well but I can see the Apple inspiration; keeping secrets or "one more thing" up their sleeves not leaving it to third party vendors to make the hardware are things that are making great strides forward, shame about the phone.
     
  8. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I'm loving the focus on making from MS lately, built in 3D printer support, 3D tools, etc.

    I'll never be using Windows, but I'm glad it's there for everyone that does.
     
  9. Kiwikat88 macrumors regular

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    Was there nothing about SP5 or did I miss something?
     
  10. yaxomoxay macrumors 68020

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    Same here.
    I think it's healthy competition for Apple, and also a good opportunity for Apple's leadership to do some introspection. I saw a few weeks ago that Nadella is publishing a book in 2017 ("Hit Refresh" is the title). It seems to me that he is very focus on internal transformation for himself, his leadership, and his company as a whole. Apple really needs some of this. I think that Apple is falling into the Steve Ballmer's mentality according to which if something is not from Apple, it's not innovation (or courageous). That's always a bad thing.
     
  11. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I'm willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt. From what I gather there are definitely things afoot that are going to be big releases in 2017, but I'm not going to elaborate because of the inevitable million posts I'd have to respond to.
     
  12. hajime thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I think the Studio is thinner than Apple's iMac. Since Apple is so obsessed with thin products, I wonder what they are going to do. I guess if it gets thinner, it will break easily.
     
  13. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    Like the way Apple is thinking of putting this into newer iPhones? Personally that's better if Apple can do it right, and they will. Microsoft 3D stuff is good, but I always reckon they rush as through they still think it's a competition like "we gotta get ours out first"

    But the Studio,, that is actually pretty good... but its clearly designed for those who live behind a drawing board. Its far too big for personal use. and will be situated only for them only.....

    That is no reason to switch away from the iPad Pro either, since the Studio is designed at a whole different market
     
  14. maflynn Moderator

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    That's expected in 2017, along with a new Surface Book, rumors on the SB2 is that the fulcrum hinge is going away, making it look more like a traditional laptop.

    I don't know if Apple has a VR or AR (Augmented reality) strategy. Clearly the Macs are not designed to handle VR, but maybe they'll be using the iPhones, but so far Apple's competitors have a big jump on them.
     
  15. theluggage macrumors 68040

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    Not sure that it is significantly bigger than a 27" iMac - apart from the touchscreen/hinge idea, one of the attractions is the "squarer" 3:2 screen aspect ratio rather than the horrible "16:9 Widescreen TV" format that has infected everything else (including the iMac).

    There's a list of reasons why the Surface Studio isn't perfect - price, less than stellar hardware spec (the mid/high range options aren't bad, but at that price you'll want the latest components to make sure it will be credible for 5 years+), price, no high-speed i/o (i.e. Thunderbolt or USB 3.1 gen 2) no all-SSD option and we'll have to wait for the "real" reviews and teardowns to see if there are any user-upgradeable components. Oh, and did I mention price? That said, the price is somewhat mitigated by the uniqueness of the design & the 3:2 screen which aren't really available elsewhere.

    So, I might not be getting one (although I'll watch it with interest) but, yeah, it highlights Apple's problem: the only innovation they've shown in the last year or so is to make things thinner and lighter at the expense of power and utility. We all get the "gorilla arms" argument against touchscreens on desktops and laptops, but that assumes that the only option would be to slap a touchscreen on the existing design (while making it 10% thinner because no reason).

    I think Apple's last innovation in the Mac arena was to push 5k displays in the iMac, which was impressive - but not revolutionary (was anybody worried that their 1440p display was blurry?) Oh, yes, there's the "force touch" trackpad, which is a truly impressive piece of haptics that feels just like the old mechanical version... and doesn't really offer any advantage (the extra "force click" action seems to be a solution looking for a problem). I also have to say that, having tried one of the new MBPs in a shop my biggest surprise was that, against all expectation, I didn't hate the keyboard - but, then I don't hate my current keyboard and the only real practical advantage of the new design is its contribution to Ive's Holy Grail of thinness.

    Microsoft, with the Surface Book and Studio have, at least, thunk different, and even if its not enough to jolt loose our wallets we're bound to see Dell, Lenovo et. al follow their lead over the coming year. That used to be Apple's job.
     

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