It must be said that in turn, App Store's concept is heavily inspired by software installation and updates on Linux distributions.
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Microsoft, Symbian and Others Announce 'App Stores'
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It must be said that in turn, App Store's concept is heavily inspired by software installation and updates on Linux distributions.
plus, why do the apple fanboys even bother? Stick with apple appstore or whatever. The Nokia guys will do the same. Coexistance is the key. live and let live. some people seem to have no life at all
Apple were not the first. Nokia has had mosh, download! and software market for years. I'm sure other manufacturers have had similar too.
What apple did was their classic marketing spin, making them appear to be the first (certainly appears to have worked on here!)
Having said that, the store itself is nothing special. Neither will the others IMO. The success (or not) of any of them will be what developers produce. Thats the main area where apple has succeeded - or rather the developers have succeeded.
Also, in some ways apple needed the app store to be genuinely considered a smartphone - prior to that you had a limited list of things that apple decided you wanted to do - now you genuinely have an open(ish) device - something that windows mobile and symbian have always had.
What apple did was their classic marketing spin, making them appear to be the first (certainly appears to have worked on here!)
Having said that, the store itself is nothing special. Neither will the others IMO. The success (or not) of any of them will be what developers produce. Thats the main area where apple has succeeded - or rather the developers have succeeded.
Also, in some ways apple needed the app store to be genuinely considered a smartphone - prior to that you had a limited list of things that apple decided you wanted to do - now you genuinely have an open(ish) device - something that windows mobile and symbian have always had.
The location and "social" awareness of the store (which as a sentence sounds ridiculous) is a marginal improvement that you are presenting as incredible innovation. It is not.
Your example was bad and people called you on that. The one who started calling people "fan bois" is you.
Once again, marginal improvement - I like to meet with and speak with my friends. I'd rather have them tell me what cool apps they've found and what apps they like, than an algorithm on Nokia's servers.
Because apple is always first and anything that has a similar functionality is obviously ripping off apple
Something else though, just to add on to mrklaw's comment, there's also carrier specific app stores that have been put onto mobile phones.
...and smartphones existed before the iPhone... that's a given! I had a SE P800 back in 2003. But who made a smartphone so fascinating, fun and easy to use? Who sold tons of smartphones to non business people? That was Apple.
Why do you choose Mac OS over Windows? Because it works... because it's beautiful, because you enjoy using it. The same applies to the iPhone. And that's why almost everybody decided to develop for the iPhone OS instead of Symbian or... eeew... Windows Mobile.
Because apple is always first and anything that has a similar functionality is obviously ripping off apple
Something else though, just to add on to mrklaw's comment, there's also carrier specific app stores that have been put onto mobile phones.
It's easier to be 'first' when you patent the hell out of everything so that no one else can use it without incurring lawsuits. Other companies have good ideas too, but patents are expensive and they often choose not to use them. In some occasions, Apple comes along and patents an idea that it could have got elsewhere. IMO the concept of the 'dock' is merely a improved and more fluid version of Windows Taskbar. That doesn't mean I don't prefer it, but I'm under no illusions that Apple is the sole leader and inspiration in any market it enters.
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Can someone please invent an ironie-sensor for forums?
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Just see this as something completely normal in economics. compareable products are released, the customer decides which one he will buy. so IF there are gonna be "more appstores"-likes, it gives the user a wider range of products to chose from. we should be happy that this can possibly happen...!
Can someone please invent an ironie-sensor for forums?
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Just see this as something completely normal in economics. compareable products are released, the customer decides which one he will buy. so IF there are gonna be "more appstores"-likes, it gives the user a wider range of products to chose from. we should be happy that this can possibly happen...!
Now if only software patents, and patents that define "look and feel", could be enforced. Considering that, you know, apple tried the whole "hey! lets sue someone over having a similar look and feel to our operating system!", and ultimately failed in 1994.
What's with all the un-apple people here all of a sudden, jesus...
Since apple is good at giving things "spin" that they didn't really innovate at, how come apple has got their app store six months and more ahead of all the others? What part of this is spin? That nokia used to have some rudimentary apps you could get for their phones via one way or another, the web, wap, or whatever? How is that a unified store for applications complying to a unified framework under a powerful os? Granted, I like apple, hence I am here, I enjoy their products, I am a fan, but all I hear from the vocal other side most of the time is just plain envy turned into non-arguments. One guy goes blathering on about his "location aware" nokia when there have been apps since months now on the iphone to be gpas location aware and track everything from stores, to restaurants for you base on your location...whatever....
I don't mind you people coming here and insulting other apple users, or adding nothing to the discussion, comes to show the state of the competition really, just don't come in large quantities at a time.
Since apple is good at giving things "spin" that they didn't really innovate at, how come apple has got their app store six months and more ahead of all the others? What part of this is spin? That nokia used to have some rudimentary apps you could get for their phones via one way or another, the web, wap, or whatever? How is that a unified store for applications complying to a unified framework under a powerful os? Granted, I like apple, hence I am here, I enjoy their products, I am a fan, but all I hear from the vocal other side most of the time is just plain envy turned into non-arguments. One guy goes blathering on about his "location aware" nokia when there have been apps since months now on the iphone to be gpas location aware and track everything from stores, to restaurants for you base on your location...whatever....
I don't mind you people coming here and insulting other apple users, or adding nothing to the discussion, comes to show the state of the competition really, just don't come in large quantities at a time.
These stores don't even compete with each other, much less the apple app store (apart from the Nokia and Symbian ones competing somewhat). There's room for them all.
Nokia have had such a thing for years (way before apple did) but it never had much on it.. most people got their apps from places like handango. This is the first time they've decided to do it properly. Ovi is a bit of a cross between appstore, flickr and mobileme, and not exactly like any of them.. so it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
Nokia have had such a thing for years (way before apple did) but it never had much on it.. most people got their apps from places like handango. This is the first time they've decided to do it properly. Ovi is a bit of a cross between appstore, flickr and mobileme, and not exactly like any of them.. so it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
On one hand, I agree--I've already had to hard-reset my Windows Mobile phone once because of strange issues that came up with a third-party app that I installed. On the other hand, the iPhone's isn't perfect when it comes to stability either, even without jailbreaking it.
Besides, the other app stores striving for openness means that Apple finally pulled its head out of the sand somewhat and started to approve certain apps to the App Store, which is only a good thing.
In its current state and with maxed out apps in some users the iphone is superstable...check out the tons of threads of proffesional whinners on other topics see if you can find any on this issue anymore.
How come you aren't thinking of just chucking that windows me out the window or selling it and getting yourself an iphone, you ll be doing yourself a big favour, honestly, haven't you had enough of the way windows does things? Worse than anyone, that is, always?
Be a man and say ME!
Dude i have several apple products / software i even had a iPhone but didn't like it i have every right to be here. I've had iPods since the original 5gb Firewire!!! I'm not blathering on, what i hate is the likes of YOU so are SO 'Apple Centric' that no one else possibly has the right to make anything that has other features than what apple offers
I'm a Apple and a Nokia user that's why i think this is really good. (I also like to support Nokia as they are European). Apple designed by a Brit built in China
Gary, your point being that? I too had smart phones from nokia and consider them the best manufacturer, but did you come here to mention ONE SINGLE innovative thing they were bringing to the table and got rejected by fanboism? No, you said something that was a. already implemented on the iphone, and b. the way you presented it pretty unessesary/irrelevant. And then you called us fan bois for....for what?
I actually use apple's Operating System and hardware on a day to day basis.What's with all the un-apple people here all of a sudden, jesus...
Depends on what you mean by "all the others". Windows Mobile's had quite a few app store-like services from companies such as handago, which even has a windows mobile application that will search for updates for any installed applications, and allow you to purchase and download applications via the device's data connection. One of my old Motorola handsets had an app store-like service on it. Apple's just good at marketing things to the point of them seeming like they were the first at doing x or y innovation, or making themselves seem like their rendition is better by throwing buckets of gloss over it.
I'd imagine there's been "unified" app store-like services for symbian based phones as well.
There's been location aware applications for mobile phones that pre-date the original iPhone, not to mention GPS not being on the original iPhone was a bit of a downside for multiple people, who already had mobile phones that were "location aware" due to having GPS-enabled phones.
I'm just pointing out a few things here and there, and trying to contribute to the discussion, that's all.
1.5 years left on my current contract, plus family probably won't switch to AT&T any time soon. In the unlikely event that the iPhone comes out for any CDMA carrier, let alone Sprint, it may be an option, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that.
The iPhone is pretty nice, though, from a developer's perspective. (I have an app on the App Store)
'Everyone' Has an App Store
Why is this topic even a news here? Is Macrumors suggesting that Apple invented the concept for mobile applications store and now every one else is out to steal their idea? C´mon you can't be serious!
I love Apple but this fanboy s*it is pathetic!
Why is this topic even a news here? Is Macrumors suggesting that Apple invented the concept for mobile applications store and now every one else is out to steal their idea? C´mon you can't be serious!
I love Apple but this fanboy s*it is pathetic!
@geenz
ok then, let's agree to disagree in some issues.
@tm, I see, sure it's the cotract issue to, in europe it's not as difficult with the contract...
ok then, let's agree to disagree in some issues.
@tm, I see, sure it's the cotract issue to, in europe it's not as difficult with the contract...
If you count straightforward rebuttals as being "shot down" then perhaps this isn't for you. Please leave the sports field before you get hurt.
On the other hand, if you want to offer something more substantial than dressing up vague notions of what the Nokia store does as "innovation" without anything to actually back up your claims, then be my guest. Note that I'm not saying Nokia can't innovate, but that your post simply didn't contain any evidence of it.
Wow, I never realized how many stores were getting ready to open. I bet that not one of them will do as good as Apple has done.
Why does it annoy you
Windows store will be interesting. Contrary to what others are trying to elude to windows mobile does have a vast catalogue ogf apps and has done so for many years before the iphone was out so that coupled with a new os could prove interesting. Might be enough to pull me away from my iphone