Microsoft to Respond to Apple's 'Get a Mac' Ads

[DMann]

No here is the evolution:

Tiger, most certainly runs on a G3/129MB, but much smoother with 256MB.

The 2G memory you are referring to is not required for operation of Leopard OS, it is allocated for running applications which require more RAM.

I clearly stated that I do not choose to run Tiger on 256MB on RAM. I only stated that the OS can function of 256MB.

Never, in any of those statements, did I claim to be currently running Tiger at 256MB.

how exactly can you sitting here bashing vista when OSX uses 140% more codes to finish lesser tasks?

you think we passed "bloat part", and now into "structure" part of OS?

Debian linux, has nearly 300 million lines of code, and runs far more efficiently than Windows, any version. This code is maintained by Open Source (thousands of developers maintaining high quality, low error code) Would you claim it is bloated? OS X runs far more efficiently than Vista for the same reasons - more efficient use of code, and lack of layers of backward compatible, redundant, and error ridden code. The bloat referred to in Vista has to do with the high amounts of redundant code, often unutilized, and substantially laden with errors, due to not having the same pool of Open Source developers as a resource to maintain it.

Oh yeah, OSX is well constructed, which is always how linux/unix constructed, does that make any OSX app faster than its counterpart of windows version? (other than intentionally crappy written apple apps)

I hardly find Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro intentionally crappy written apps. As far as stability is concerned, I've run Photoshop side by side on both a Windows PC and a Mac. No comparison, in terms of stability, speed, and productivity.

 

[lostfan916]

So....back to the point of this thread.

Appleinsider story.

 

[BothBarsOn]

Hard to know where to start, isn't it?

 

[DMann]

At one point,
everyone thought
the Titanic was Unsinkable.

 

[gaspig70]

At one point,
everyone thought
the Titanic was Unsinkable.

Nice!

 

[surferfromuk]

So....back to the point of this thread.

Appleinsider story.

I don't get this metaphor...or is that the point ? AM I SUPPOSED to be confused like most PC users are everyday of their lives ? or do PC users see some other level I don't ? Can they 'tune in' to this?

Who are supposed to be the flat Earthers - Apple users or PC users ?

Are they saying the 'at one time all people used PC's and they stupidly thought the earth was flat' (because I thought that the flat earth opinion meant 'the majority/consensus of opinion') - well the majority of people use Windows don't they?...So are they admitting that windows users are wrong or that the majority of people use windows and they believe that the earth is round ? HUH? WHAT?

Or are they suggesting that PC users are the 'round earthers' and are like some tiny minority of genius people who 'are the wise' and that the majority ( that sounds like Mac users) ( the flat earthers are the now PC users or Mac users - I'm getting confused here ? who are the dummies and who are the smarties anymore in this damm metaphor!) are just wrong ? HUH? WHAT? Are they saying that eventually the 'round earther's the minority ( mac users) will eventually be proved to be right and that stupid PC users ( flat earthers) will become extinct? Are the self-prophesising their own demise ?

Isn't the 'prevailing' consenus that Windows PC is the OS that operates on 90% of the computers on the earth and therefore they are the flat earthers...are they preparing to reveal some incredibly dynamically witty twist on this metaphor or just continue on with it's dumbness.

OR

Is the ship the 'good ship windows' and it's sailing into the unknown despite the fact that they are going to fall off the end of the earth? ( which sounds like anyone buying Vista - knowingly pushing on in face of the fact that everyone knows it's going to be the end!) or are they saying that to buy windows is to go in the face of common sense and to go on a reckless journey of death only to arrive at a land filled with cannibals and savages (are they supposed to be the Apple users - the big bad ship coming to wipe out our beautiful unspoiled continent and turn it to crap?)? Confused ?

OR

Are they saying that the crew of the 'good ship windows' are like the buyers of windows and, as was common of the time, were often press-ganged and treated like criminals and more often than not certain of being cannon fodder in the war.

truth be told I'm expecting this to appear in a more sophisticated form later on with the subtext being ;

Microsoft are the 'brave Pirates' defying the 'commonly held' view to risk all for glory and to 'boldly go with the good ship Vista' will eventually deliver the paradise lands...I'll lay money on that idea coming out the end of this..either that or that 'We are the warmongering empire and we're coming to SCREW YOU SOME MORE!"

Except it's just a picture of boat on the sea and with a fancy CGI advert that's coming (after the $300 million is spent) : - STILL Vista sucks...

 

[Syrus28]

I don't get this metaphor...or is that the point ? AM I SUPPOSED to be confused like most PC users are everyday of their lives ? or do PC users see some other level I don't ? Can they 'tune in' to this?

Who are supposed to be the flat Earthers - Apple users or PC users ?

Are they saying the 'at one time all people used PC's and they stupidly thought the earth was flat' (because I thought that the flat earth opinion meant 'the majority/consensus of opinion') - well the majority of people use Windows don't they?...So are they admitting that windows users are wrong or that the majority of people use windows and they believe that the earth is round ? HUH? WHAT?

Or are they suggesting that PC users are the 'round earthers' and are like some tiny minority of genius people who 'are the wise' and that the majority ( that sounds like Mac users) ( the flat earthers are the now PC users or Mac users - I'm getting confused here ? who are the dummies and who are the smarties anymore in this damm metaphor!) are just wrong ? HUH? WHAT? Are they saying that eventually the 'round earther's the minority ( mac users) will eventually be proved to be right and that stupid PC users ( flat earthers) will become extinct? Are the self-prophesising their own demise ?

Isn't the 'prevailing' consenus that Windows PC is the OS that operates on 90% of the computers on the earth and therefore they are the flat earthers...are they preparing to reveal some incredibly dynamically witty twist on this metaphor or just continue on with it's dumbness.

OR

Is the ship the 'good ship windows' and it's sailing into the unknown despite the fact that they are going to fall off the end of the earth? ( which sounds like anyone buying Vista - knowingly pushing on in face of the fact that everyone knows it's going to be the end!) or are they saying that to buy windows is to go in the face of common sense and to go on a reckless journey of death only to arrive at a land filled with cannibals and savages (are they supposed to be the Apple users - the big bad ship coming to wipe out our beautiful unspoiled continent and turn it to crap?)? Confused ?

OR

Are they saying that the crew of the 'good ship windows' are like the buyers of windows and, as was common of the time, were often press-ganged and treated like criminals and more often than not certain of being cannon fodder in the war.

truth be told I'm expecting this to appear in a more sophisticated form later on with the subtext being ;

Microsoft are the 'brave Pirates' defying the 'commonly held' view to risk all for glory and to 'boldly go with the good ship Vista' will eventually deliver the paradise lands...I'll lay money on that idea coming out the end of this..

Except it's just a picture of boat on the sea and with a fancy CGI advert that's coming (after the $300 million is spent) : - STILL Vista sucks...

And here I thought Apple Fanboys were smart...

It means not everything you hear is true, or the majority consensus was wrong... I.E. Vista doesn't really suck, but people who don't know better, and only experienced it from hearsay, think it does. (The world's not really flat, but people thought it was because they were told it was, even with no proof)

 

[surferfromuk]

And here I thought Apple Fanboys were smart...

It means not everything you hear is true, or the majority consensus was wrong... I.E. Vista doesn't really suck, but people who don't know better, and only experienced it from hearsay, think it does. (The world's not really flat, but people thought it was because they were told it was, even with no proof)

Which means...basically, they're lying...the problem being that ;

When they actually buy Vista and find out it REALLY does suck they're going to fall off the edge of their cranky MS planet into the abyss...I don't know how they'll feel about that when they actually do find out that their world is actually flat...and sadly they'll never discover that Planet Mac is basically a totally different planet altogether...I mean I don't even think Vista users are actually ON OUR EARTH - they're like on some hideous counterfeit earth in a parallel dimension and it's basically flat despite 'assurances to the contrary'...they are in the Matrix earth or something...they're going to wake up as batteries powering the MS bug alien robot army..

Still, An Ad is always interesting because it shows the 'operating mindset' of the company...and this demonstrates that Microsoft are STILL in the 'conning you with our wealth power' business.


At least we know they haven't changed then...

Actually I think the ship is Vmware and are trying to sail off the edge of planet MS into the abyss in the hope that after a momentary free fall in black space that they land on planet mac and live happily ever after...

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Which means...basically, they're lying...the problem being that ;

When they actually buy Vista and find out it REALLY does suck they're going to fall off the edge of their cranky MS planet into the abyss...I don't know how they'll feel about that when they actually do find out that their world is actually flat...and sadly they'll never discover that Planet Mac is basically a totally different planet altogether...I mean I don't even think Vista users are actually ON OUR EARTH - they're like on some hideous counterfeit earth in a parallel dimension and it's basically flat despite 'assurances to the contrary'...they are in the Matrix earth or something...they're going to wake up as batteries powering the MS bug alien robot army..

Still, An Ad is always interesting because it shows the 'operating mindset' of the company...and this demonstrates that Microsoft are STILL in the 'conning you with our wealth power' business.


At least we know they haven't changed then...

Actually I think the ship is Vmware and are trying to sail off the edge of planet MS into the abyss in the hope that after a momentary free fall in black space that they land on planet mac and live happily ever after...

Have you even used Vista lately? I'd say their advertisement is pretty accurate. Vista did suck initially, but right now it's pretty great.

Don't get me wrong, most of the time I use OSX.

 

[surferfromuk]

Have you even used Vista lately? I'd say their advertisement is pretty accurate. Vista did suck initially, but right now it's pretty great.

Don't get me wrong, most of the time I use OSX.

The advert is doing it's job then...

(Yes, I have to support Vista on a daily basis.)

 

[BongoBanger]

The advert is doing it's job then...

(Yes, I have to support Vista on a daily basis.)

No, that would be SP1, Windows Update and third party vendors actually releasing compatible drivers doing their jobs.

 

[Syrus28]

Which means...basically, they're lying...the problem being that ;

When they actually buy Vista and find out it REALLY does suck they're going to fall off the edge of their cranky MS planet into the abyss...I don't know how they'll feel about that when they actually do find out that their world is actually flat...and sadly they'll never discover that Planet Mac is basically a totally different planet altogether...I mean I don't even think Vista users are actually ON OUR EARTH - they're like on some hideous counterfeit earth in a parallel dimension and it's basically flat despite 'assurances to the contrary'...they are in the Matrix earth or something...they're going to wake up as batteries powering the MS bug alien robot army..

Still, An Ad is always interesting because it shows the 'operating mindset' of the company...and this demonstrates that Microsoft are STILL in the 'conning you with our wealth power' business.


At least we know they haven't changed then...

Actually I think the ship is Vmware and are trying to sail off the edge of planet MS into the abyss in the hope that after a momentary free fall in black space that they land on planet mac and live happily ever after...

Your going a little bit over the edge, don't you think? Vista (since SP1) is pretty good now. Truthfully, you sound like one of the early adopters who's peripherals didn't work, blamed it on Microsoft, and never touched it again.

 

[Maestro88]

Your going a little bit over the edge, don't you think? Vista (since SP1) is pretty good now. Truthfully, you sound like one of the early adopters who's peripherals didn't work, blamed it on Microsoft, and never touched it again.

Wow you should work for Microsoft you got their propaganda down straight!

What a bunch of rubbish. It's not only the reliability, it's the whole experience. It's the buying into the mentality of that company....

Apple is the only choice right now for anyone with some sense.

OS X isnt bloated. The eye candy of 10.4 is still fluid on my iMac G3 600 Mhz, as is 10.5's eye candy on a 867 Mhz G4. Try running Vista on its base requirements and see how fluid it is. I think most people on here just have computers that are overkill. Vista though will use up all that 2 GB and STILL have pageouts/ins

That's right. I had 10.4 running on a G3 500mhz that was purchased in the year 2000 I think - that's 8 years old not six, and it ran 10.4, and the eye candy etc doesn't need to be turned off. I have a G4 800 mhz laptop that also runs it fine.

What people don't understand is that leopard and vista are not comparable. You cant' really compare any version but if you want to you can perhaps say that Vista is Microsoft's 10.1. Leopard is 5 years ahead of Vista right now if you look at the real engineering underneath, and how it is prepped for the future. It's not about how much money you have or put into it, it's about how you do it, and what you do. This is why they can make it run on a phone, on a tablet, and not be bloated or complex. The technology under the hood is just so far superior, starting with the kernel, that you can't really compare the two anyway.

And what you get at the end of that is the user experience, and it's all those many little things that makes the cake.

Microsoft just don't get it, and they never will. They need to be a different company before they start succeeding in the real sense of success at the present time.

The dominated every thing for all that time and they're very rich and still living off past successes. Why do you think Gates have left. The stench is starting to upwell from the basement. It is the smell of decay. So like a good buddy he has left ballmer there to go down with the ship. I give them 10 years.

Snow Leopard will likely run well on less than 2G of RAM.

10.4 runs on 512 mb fine for most basic tasks. 1gb is perfectly adequate.

Leopard runs perfectly adequate on 1gb as well, although 512 is probably pushing it. 2Gb on Leopard is all that you need for most things, unless you are running heaps of apps. 2Gb on leopard gets you the following without virtual memory swapping kicking in over time:

Mail, Safari with a few pages open including flash apps and videos, Calendar, VMWARE with XP on 256Mb (plus vmwares' footprint of course), Dashboard apps a-plenty, system preferences, preview, Pages. You can still start another app like iphoto without any trouble and log into additional user accounts. Further apps will begin to cause swapping. If you weren't running windows you could then also probably run iphoto and a couple more without swapping. This is on an imac intel - you can put another 2Gb into those machines, so 4 in total, in which case you are sweet for almost any task.

 

[DMann]

10.4 runs on 512 mb fine for most basic tasks. 1gb is perfectly adequate.

Leopard runs perfectly adequate on 1gb as well, although 512 is probably pushing it. 2Gb on Leopard is all that you need for most things, unless you are running heaps of apps. 2Gb on leopard gets you the following without virtual memory swapping kicking in over time:

Mail, Safari with a few pages open including flash apps and videos, Calendar, VMWARE with XP on 256Mb (plus vmwares' footprint of course), Dashboard apps a-plenty, system preferences, preview, Pages. You can still start another app like iphoto without any trouble and log into additional user accounts. Further apps will begin to cause swapping. If you weren't running windows you could then also probably run iphoto and a couple more without swapping. This is on an imac intel - you can put another 2Gb into those machines, so 4 in total, in which case you are sweet for almost any task.

I totally agree. For your amusement, you ought to read the multiple diatribes posted by a certain member, throughout this thread, about OS X and RAM requirements.

 

[ilovefanboyz]

"Microsoft just don't get it, and they never will. They need to be a different company before they start succeeding in the real sense of success at the present time."


You sound like a 3-year old.

Just to put your point into perspective, you do realize that there are 30 PC's sold for every Mac?

What on earth does your comment mean?

 

[clevin]

10.4 runs on 512 mb fine for most basic tasks. 1gb is perfectly adequate.

somebody previously claim Tiger runs on 129MB RAM and smooth on 256MB, what do you think?

I totally agree. For your amusement, you ought to read the multiple diatribes posted by a certain member, throughout this thread, about OS X and RAM requirements.

Its getting tiresome when people are still debating RAMs. you can get TOSHIBA or Acer laptops for <$600 with 2G+ RAM, where is the worry?

 

[Dan Lorth]

it honestly isnt that bad anymore, a lot of people in this thread make it seem like if you use vista or even windows that your computer will shoot darts into your face and take your family on vacation. Is mac's OS better? IMO yes. Is Vista still awful? IMO, no. my worthless 2 cents.

 

[Shawnkdesign]

I agree with WTF?

Was that an ad or just another fine demonstration of how stupid Microsoft has become! Would anyone really consider moving towards a windows environment from this lame demonstration of why Microsoft should give steve jobs its marketing cash for more apple ads! The apple campaign was better publicity for Microsoft this this crap!


I BRAKE FOR APPLE!!!!

Shawn