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Microsoft's Entourage now has an update to allow it work wi...

How wonderful!

Just trashed my mail database, and refuses to rebuild... How loverly. Also refuses to launch, which is kinda cool too.

They've actually managed to make Entourage worse than it was! I'm amazed.

Oh wait. Now it doesn't launch at all, so in a way that's making it better...

"Oh Analog Kid, you're being too hard on Microsoft-- the MacBU is a bunch of Mac-ies just like us", "Oh Analog Kid, if Apple put out a piece of trash like Entourage, you'd be giving it high praise!".

No, I wasn't being paranoid. I was learning from experience, but apparently not learning enough to avoid the install completely.

So, dear friends, what's the theory on this f*up? Here's mine: They want to drop support for Office, but if they just pull support then everyone cries foul. Sooo.... You make big press releases about full Exchange support, trash peoples machines and productivity right before Apple goes native with Exchange and when people start skeet shooting their Office CDs you throw up your hands because Office sales are dropping even after you've put in truck loads of work implementing your own MAPI interface in your own proprietary mailer and talk about religious differences, shrinking market share and how hard it is to compete when applications are bundled with the OS.

I won't be called paranoid again. This is absurd. Free update can only mean one thing-- virus.
 
Useless.

"Any contacts that are stored in folders other than the top-level Outlook Contacts folder will not be synchronized with Entourage."

In other words, the entire corporate global email address book is off limits to you because you want to read your email in OS X on a Mac. The only email addresses I can see from Entourage are the ones in my "Personal" folder. That's utter bullcrap.

OTOH the calendar synced right up. Yay for small fricking favors.

Call me when you bloody get it right, Microsoft. Or better still, I'll wait for the exchange-client modifications in Panther... and I'm seriously considering putting OpenOffice on all ten of the Macs in this workgroup. M$ can kiss my hairy white keister.

Mad? Moi? Why would I be mad??? grin
 
From what I remember when they first mentioned this a few months ago it was simply going to be an imap and Ldap lookup addon for OS X. Big deal. What we need is a full MAPI client for OS X. MAPI is how outlook connects to Exchange, and untill there is a full fledged MAPI client for OS X everything else will just be a half a$$ed hack.
 
I believe the email is in imap format and the free/busy is actually using Webdave, since you need webdave support turned on. I have this installed and working and I can see free/busy stuff, we already had imap on and webdav is on by default.

check out www.snerdware.com

They are coming out with some great Exchange integration tools. This combined with the built in Exchange support that we have been reading about might be a solution....especially if I can get mail.app to see my appointments and get them over to iCal, using the snerdware software. They already have software that is free and syncs your address book with the Exchange GAL...works rather nicely.


-Mike
 
10.1.5

All I really want in 10.1.5 is threads...

Just a few threads-- I don't want to push it.

Spinning beach balls in an email client on a 1GHz CPU should be an embarassment...
 
Here's what I said to Microsoft on the feedback page:

I am grossly disappointed that the promised "Exchange Integration" in the new 10.1.4 update for Entourage is so compromised. Why is there no native MAPI support and such limited functionality when compared with either Outlook on Windows or even Outlook 2001 on the Mac. This is a seriously bad mistake on Microsoft's part and makes it clear yet again why they are not to be trusted as a company. My opinion of Microsoft had definitely gone up when I heard about the upcoming support for Exchange in Entourage - now it's hit an even lower low than before, if that were possible. Does the phrase "Anti-trust" still not have any impact at all within Microsoft?? The other phrase that applies is "cynical in the extreme".

Feel free to select any parts of the above for your response!
 
Here are my impressions.

Pro's

-works as advertised...true exchange integration.

-don't have to boot into classic to use outlook 2001


Cons

- does not support use of PST files

- cannot view entire Global address list at once...can only do queries against the GAL.

Conclusion

This is a serious step backwards from the old outlook 2001. At least it had a real viewable GAL and allowed PST usage.
I sincerely hope that MS fixes these problems in a future release.
 
non-Entourage improvements?

Is there a list of the improvements in this update that don't involve Entourage? I don't use Entourage (and thank goodness, based on the other comments in this forum), so I was curious as to whether downloading this update would be worthwhile.

jf
 
Does the update speed up printing?

Good Morning;
I have been using Office X for about a year. Updated to SR 1 and 10.1.1.
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My complaint is that Word is slow to print from the QuickSilver 733 to an old Apple IIg laserwriter. Slow compared to Word 98 in OS 9.2.2 on the same computer.

The laserwriter has it's max 32meg memory. The laserwriter is attached via ethernet switch. Another Mac, a 6500/250 upgraded to G3-400 uses the printer, hence the switch. Simple.

There is no other networking. Nada, no DSL, no peaseas, no Novell, nada.
=-=
Has anyone who has updated to 10.1.4 noticed any printing speed improvement?
=-=
Thanks in advance.
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JJ
 
First impressions

Well it wasn't too difficult to get up and running, though I had the initial problem of not updating to 10.1.2 first.

I was surprised by the requirement for an SMTP server address and did get the IMAP error. But everything ended up working, mail, calendar polling, global address book, public folders etc.

It's now supposed to have html rendering, though I haven't received any html emails. I expect this to work as it's a native feature of Entourage and not of Outlook Exchange client.

I've only had a quick squiz so no doubt the real problems will surface over the next few days.
 
Re: Trouble with updater

Originally posted by JimmyMac

When I try and point the installer to the Office X folder, the window that pops up is blank. My folder is in the default location.


I am confused about something though. Why do I need this for Exchange email? I already can do email on my company's Exchange server by setting it up as a POP account. Am I missing something here?
Click to expand...

It sounds like you need to re-run the 10.1.2 updater for Office. WHy? DUnno. I got the same thing, even though I'd installed both the 10.1.2 and 10.1.3 updaters. I re-ran the 10.1.2 updater, and then the 10.1.4 updater worked just fine. Worth a shot, anyway.

As for why to use this for Exchange? Well, in theory it would allow you to access the Calendar and Contacts listings, Exchange Address Book, etc. But....

...In reality, the new update of Exchange actually only semi-adds these features. How do I mean? Accessing anyone in my Contacts folder shows them as junk E-mails, from me to me, about the person in question. It wants to filter them as junk E-mail.

...Also, the Calendar shows up only as a laundry list of PAST Calendar events, and doesn't allow me to see any future events on the Calendar. It used to show me an actual calendar, with events and significant dates highlighted. Not any more.

So, the real question is this: what in the #$@! have Microsoft's programmers REALLY been doing with the last several months? If I was the manager overseeing their project, I'd have a serious talk with them about "goofing off on the job", and I'd start demanding progress reports from them on at least a weekly basis. This is by far the shoddiest work I've seen come out of Microsoft, bar none.

Valhalla525
 
Re: Re: Trouble with updater

Originally posted by Valhalla525
This is by far the shoddiest work I've seen come out of Microsoft, bar none.
Click to expand...

Now I don't use Office so I wouldn't know first-hand just how bad this is...but this is one hell of a statement on Microsoft and their long tradition of shoddy software. :D
 
Re: Re: Re: Trouble with updater

Originally posted by pretentious
Now I don't use Office so I wouldn't know first-hand just how bad this is...but this is one hell of a statement on Microsoft and their long tradition of shoddy software. :D
Click to expand...

Why yes, it is. ;)

Of course, I'm referring specifically to the "promised"/"delivered" comparison.

Valhalla525
 
Works For ME

The Exchange update worked flawless for me. I can connect to work, via PPTP and connect to our Exchange servers. Entourage sees my calendar (past and future) and all my sub-folders. Don't know if any rules work though.

The account wizard found my settings with no problem.

Hope everyone else has better luck.
 
i haven't installed the update (yet)...

i know a lot of us here <shock>including i myself </shock> use office v. X.

maybe not because we choose to, but because we had to.

where do you guys expect to find the money to give Apple anyway :p

i read this thread and i myself am confused. does it work or does it not?

i must admit, i did not read what m$ had to say about it.

i really hope it works, naturally, until Apple delivers Panther...

now to something off topic, is there a way to sync my entourage/outlook (pc) contacts with Address book?

this is one of the very few reasons i use outlook (pc).

there is an outlook for mac, right? does that not do exchange stuff?
 
I have a feeling that the way individual Exchange servers are set-up have a lot to do with the patchy outcomes posted here.

We have perfect set-ups which auto configure all the way down to trashed mailboxes.

I fall somewhere in-between. I know there is a difference in how a Mac accesses Exchange to how Windows accesses Exchange. We had a problem a while back where our Mac clients couldn't connect all of a sudden, but the PCs could. There were no problems with the Mac client apps and we could connect to a mirrored server. After 6 months of Redmond working on the problem, it turned out they found the permissions on the server were corrupted. Resetting the permissions allowed us to connect again.
 
this is for those who made it work...

i somehow was able to connect to our exchange server.

but!

could u guys tell me how it shows the contacts?

i see "my contacts" as email messages. it does not go to the Address Book (pc= Contacts folder).

would appreciate any comment. thx.
 
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