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Time for me to keep Charles Schwab on speed dial, or at least the app on my front homescreen.

In Canada people who have been infected by 2019-nCoV have made full recoveries without the requirement of hospitalization, only one as of this post was hospitalized due to age and was released two weeks later. Seems a vaccine may not be required as similar to the cold/flu natural recovery is possible.

One cannot comment as to why many infected are not recovering in China, maybe age or weak immune system or something that we do not know of yet.

The annual Cold/Flu vaccine is also a hit and miss, more miss years than anything. People with strong immune systems who opt not to have the vaccine and get ill, do make recoveries. This just seems like fear mongering tbh.
 
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Flu kills 0.05% of infected people. The new China coronavirus is now killing 2%. 1.4 millions will die in the US. It likes a 1 megaton thermonuclear bomb explosion at the center of New York.
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It may well be bad but remember, it is only killing about 2% of people that are actually infected not of the entire population.
I think you'll find that worst case scenario for America would be about 1million people infected and about 220,000 deaths. Still nothing to be complacent about I grant you. (That's based on WHO infection figures at the moment.)
Plus, we don't know with figures coming out of China just what sort of treatment people are getting.
It is perhaps more telling to see how people that are infected do in other countries.
So far, I don't think anyone has died with good medical treatment. We have 5 serious cases in France including a guy of about 86. He's in a bad way and he's been sick for nearly 3 weeks but he's still alive which is a really good sign.
 
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It’s too early to know exactly what the scope of the Coronavirus will be, but this graphic estimates the range of lethality and how contagious the virus is compared to others, based on what is currently known.

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Not to downplay both sides, however this issue or question was brought up to an infection specialist and this was their response (non-verbatim):

Though the number of infected and victims of 2019-nCoV, we have to remember that as the present infected is "small" the percentage seems large, however as more are infected (unfortunately) the percentage will be adjusted and will actually see a drop.

For example if you compare the percentage of people infected with the cold/flu annually on a Global scale compared to 2019-nCoV comparison on a scale that is not Global then the numbers and percentage tells a different story.

2019-nCoV infection and death plus there have been recoveries too, is still quite low on a Global scale. This is all precaution as most of the world manufacturers in China and to some degree the media seems to be overreacting. It is serious similar to other prior outbreaks but not what it is being made out to be, remember there have been recoveries too but those are not being reported similar to the death and infected that adds a level of fear for media ratings.
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I think the number of infected is actually quite high.
The tests take a long time to do and are time consuming. A lot of people in China are scared and they have other infections to deal with like seasonal flu. We've seen pictures of the hospitals swamped with worried people.
Everyone that shows symptoms needs to be tested which will be thousands and most of those will be negative, but how many tests can they physically do a day? What's the backlog.
The official figures are based on the results they have from the tests they have done but it says nothing about the backlog of thousands of tests they haven't managed to do yet.
Plus, even though the hospitals are swamped, we are talking about an area of 50 million people (bigger now) and personally, the last place I'd want to be if I were there would be queueing in a hospital for hours with thousands of sick people some of whom have the virus for sure. It must be one of the main centres of infection right now.
So I think it's safe to say a lot of people are infected, a lot of people have it mildly, a lot of people are keeping away from the hospitals now and unless the Chinese are hiding the number of deaths, the death to infection rate isn't as high as the official figures.
Seasonal flu has an RO (infection rate) of about 1.4 meaning 1.4 people infected for each case. This may be about the same but even the WHO is saying it won't be as bad as 2.5 (which would make it the same as SARS)
Measles for example has an RO of about 15. Mumps about 12, Whooping cough about 14 and they all have similar death rates to this virus (between 1-2.5% so get your kids vaccinated)
Smallpox was about 6 but had a mortality rate of 10%
Tuberculosis has an RO of 10 and a mortality rate of 50%
Pneumonic plague was about RO3 but mortality almost 100%
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It’s too early to know exactly what the scope of the Coronavirus will be, but this graphic estimates the range of lethality and how contagious the virus is compared to others, based on what is currently known.

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I didn't see that I was quoting similiar figures sorry.
 
Flu kills 0.05% of infected people. The new China coronavirus is now killing 2%. 1.4 millions will die in the US. It likes a 1 megaton thermonuclear bomb explosion at the center of New York.
Except it’s nothing like that.
 
The stock market is in need a correction so I guess this is like killing 2 birds with 1 stone?
 
Furthermore Coronavirus outbreak Leads to complete FaceId Fail!

Just wear a breathing mask and try to use FaceId. While most top of the line Android devices combine a FaceId like solution with a fingerprint solution integrated in the display Apple still hasn‘t managed to integrate this kind of solution into the iPhone. Shame on you Apple.
 
Reminder that the number of coronavirus infections more than doubles every week.

Reminder also that the numbers will very strongly depend on the actions taken. The best case is to do everything possible to slow it down, and it ends up being harmless, and everyone looks stupid for taking strong actions. The worst case is doing nothing and in a year's time we are all infected.


And best case everyone is infected. Except you. And we can smell your tastiness. You're needing more than iPhone then.

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Coronavirus won't delay iPhone 9 launch, says Apple supplier Foxconn


Did they just confirm an unnanounced phone?
 
The fact that Kuo's original estimate was in the 40M-44M unit range is very telling.

Apple sold ~43.7M units during their Q2 FY19 quarter.
 
Hi
I think the number of infected is actually quite high.
The tests take a long time to do and are time consuming. A lot of people in China are scared and they have other infections to deal with like seasonal flu. We've seen pictures of the hospitals swamped with worried people.
Everyone that shows symptoms needs to be tested which will be thousands and most of those will be negative, but how many tests can they physically do a day? What's the backlog.
The official figures are based on the results they have from the tests they have done but it says nothing about the backlog of thousands of tests they haven't managed to do yet.
Plus, even though the hospitals are swamped, we are talking about an area of 50 million people (bigger now) and personally, the last place I'd want to be if I were there would be queueing in a hospital for hours with thousands of sick people some of whom have the virus for sure. It must be one of the main centres of infection right now.
So I think it's safe to say a lot of people are infected, a lot of people have it mildly, a lot of people are keeping away from the hospitals now and unless the Chinese are hiding the number of deaths, the death to infection rate isn't as high as the official figures.
Seasonal flu has an RO (infection rate) of about 1.4 meaning 1.4 people infected for each case. This may be about the same but even the WHO is saying it won't be as bad as 2.5 (which would make it the same as SARS)
Measles for example has an RO of about 15. Mumps about 12, Whooping cough about 14 and they all have similar death rates to this virus (between 1-2.5% so get your kids vaccinated)
Smallpox was about 6 but had a mortality rate of 10%
Tuberculosis has an RO of 10 and a mortality rate of 50%
Pneumonic plague was about RO3 but mortality almost 100%
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I didn't see that I was quoting similiar figures sorry.

You being up some valid points, for example we don’t know what the RO is, or maybe it has yet to be determined or disclosed, dunno.

Plus is the seasonal Cold/Flu is being lumped into 2019-nCoV admitted cases, dunno.

There is now a secondary test to confirm if one is infected, leading to prolonged confirmed diagnosis.

The rate of infected seems high because of close quarters, it’s similar to factory farming where one may have contracted a disease and in no time most of the stock gets affected.

Once again speaking about cases where people have had a full recovery from 2019-nCoV this seems like fear mongering. I cannot confirm why the infection and death toll is increasing on China but it may due to other reasons of spread similar to Ebola and SARS it was due to lack of medical preparation and understanding to contain the disease.

Let’s not jump the gun on the 2 week incubation period.
 
Not to downplay both sides, however this issue or question was brought up to an infection specialist and this was their response (non-verbatim):

Though the number of infected and victims of 2019-nCoV, we have to remember that as the present infected is "small" the percentage seems large, however as more are infected (unfortunately) the percentage will be adjusted and will actually see a drop.

For example if you compare the percentage of people infected with the cold/flu annually on a Global scale compared to 2019-nCoV comparison on a scale that is not Global then the numbers and percentage tells a different story.

2019-nCoV infection and death plus there have been recoveries too, is still quite low on a Global scale. This is all precaution as most of the world manufacturers in China and to some degree the media seems to be overreacting. It is serious similar to other prior outbreaks but not what it is being made out to be, remember there have been recoveries too but those are not being reported similar to the death and infected that adds a level of fear for media ratings.

Then why don't you book a flight and join me in Shenzhen? Countries don't quarantine close to 40 million people for no good reason. I was in CN during SARS, nCoV is significantly more concerning as the commutability if far higher, the lethality yet to be determined. I can leave CN being an expat, without my family I wont.

nCoV is serious concern for all, iPhone being delayed isn't...

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Then why don't you book a flight and join me in Shenzhen? Countries don't quarantine close to 40 million people for no good reason. I was in CN during SARS, nCoV is significantly more concerning as the commutability if far higher, the lethality yet to be determined. I can leave CN being an expat, without my family I wont.

nCoV is serious concern for all, iPhone being delayed isn't...

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If you are paying for the flight and trip, all I have is two questions. When do I leave and can I go third week of Feb due to home business related issues.

SARS and MERS are also serious, so was SwineFlu, Ebola and Zika (still is). Humans will find a way, they always do for better or worse. You sound way too pessimistic, this is not the first and neither will it be the last disease to mankind or animals for that matter.
 
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Worst case scenario for AAPL:

NO 2020 iPhones are produced in China this year.

If that happens, the stock will drop by more than 2/3, & trade under $100/share.

I think people started being paranoid to china-manufactured products, afraid of virus contamination.
 
If you are paying for the flight and trip, all I have is two questions. When do I leave and can I go third week of Feb due to home business related issues.

SARS and MERS are also serious, so was SwineFlu, Ebola and Zika (still is). Humans will find a way, they always do for better or worse. You sound way too pessimistic, this is not the first and neither will it be the last disease to mankind or animals for that matter.

Common sense prevails that with any significant unknown virus precautions are necessary. Logically the financial impact alone speaks of the concern, myself included. You are downplaying the situation nor is it welcomed...

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