“The 8GB machines slow right down when you throw too much at it”
This is completely subjective and specious. What’s ‘too much’. Multiple 8k video?? There’s no context here.
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This is completely subjective and specious. What’s ‘too much’. Multiple 8k video?? There’s no context here.
It's the computer I use at work and waiting for the next iMac upgrade, that's why I don't bother with hack and patches.
I wonder what the difference in margin for Apple is between supplying 8GB v.16GB v. 32GB? I’m hanging on for the new 27-inch iMac M1 Pro which I assume will come with 16GB as minimum. I’ve always maxed out my macs with sensibly priced third-party RAM: shelling out £400/$400 to bump up to 32GB (based on MPB pricing) would be a bitter pill.
I just registered on this forum, to tell that:
AN IMAC WITH A 27 SCREEN, CANNOT BE CONSIDERED "PRO".
32 Inch display would be the minimum! Minimum! We are not in 1995 anymore!
Every single apple presentation is just one more opportunity to be disappointed. They never fail to disappoint!
27 screen? WTF! It´s that a joke? What Im supposed to do now? Buy a Mac Mini and a modern 34-38 display from other brand? 10 YEARS of wait for this crap!
AN IMAC WITH A 27 SCREEN, CANNOT BE CONSIDERED "PRO".
32 Inch display would be the minimum! Minimum! We are not in 1995 anymore!
Every single apple presentation is just one more opportunity to be disappointed. They never fail to disappoint!
27 screen? WTF! It´s that a joke? What Im supposed to do now? Buy a Mac Mini and a modern 34-38 display from other brand? 10 YEARS of wait for this crap!
It will be much better than now, and iMac have always had great displays. Less mini led dimming zone is obvious is a big display, but still much more better than standard LED
For most users 27” is already sooo big, especially if you get pro motion and mini led 27” is already a world first. If you need a bigger monitor you can get Mac mini. For sure you will not find a better display than 27” iMac because it doesn’t exist a 120hz 5K display even without mini led
I think people who work on Audio, video or 3D will find 27 really really small for today standard. I have a 27 and I "have to have" another 2 monitors, to have a good view of the timelines. It changes the workflow completely. After sooo many time, it would be obvious the bigger monitor... well.. i guess not. Same crap as before and possible without the target display mode... which is even worse.
Unless my profession is watching movies, a 27" 5K ProMotion (24-120Hz) MiniLED 220 dpi display is a hell of a lot more "pro" than a 32-38" 4K 60Hz edge-lit LED 110ppi display, IMO.
Yeah. Me thinks the angry young man hasn't checked into the resolution of 9x% of monitors over 27". The 5k iMac at 5k * roughly 3k packs way more pixels than just about anything save the Dell 8k and Apple's own XDR Display.
With all respect, I think you don´t work with image, video or audio to see what a bigger display means.
Do you work with Pro Tools? Avid? Davinci Resolve? Maya? Final Cut? Logic? If yes, 27 is like a REALLY small display.
If you work with photoshop, illustrator or use the imac to see movies at your home, then the Imac 27 is good for you.
Again, this presentation will be just another opportunity to be disappointed Apple style.
I´m not even talking about an real state ultra wide display. I´m talking in a little bigger than 27 inch screen... 27! We have 27 screens since late 2009 from Apple!
Now in 2022... with all the people talking in a Imac 32-34 months ago... last news... 27 again.. seriously.. it´s a joke. They don´t even try.
Still for some use cases like mine (and other pros like you said) on softwares like Maya for example, it's a waaaay better option to have 2 x 27" screens side by side than just one 32" (which is clearly not enough), or one 32" plus another screen (you either get too much screen real estate with 2 x 32" or mismatched screen sizes if you add a smaller screen).
So no, all pros who wants more than 27" screen real estate doesn't want a 32".
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Since Apple is not a display panel manufacturer, they either have to use what is available on the market or commission one of those manufacturers to make a custom display for them.
Panel manufacturers have no real incentive to push large HiDPI ( "Retina" ) panels because Windows doesn't natively take advantage of it like macOS does and many people buying large panels are playing games so they want high refresh rates, not high resolution.
Apple did commission a custom 32" 6K panel from LG Display for the Pro Display XDR, but that is expensive for Apple which makes it very expensive for Apple customers. Apple could use the Pro Display XDR in the iMac Pro, but then we'd be looking at a starting price of $5999 or more and that would eliminate a massive amount of the projected customer base.
There is the 32" 8K panel from (I believe) LG Display that is used by Dell so that could be an option as in HiDPI mode it would be Retina-doubled 4K, though again that would raise the base price of this new iMac into the $4999-5999 range.
Like I said in my post before, I have 1 27 and 2 additional screens. Price aside, yhat´s not ideal for today standard. One 34 or one ultra wide screen it would be very good. 34, it´s the point where magic happens. the point where you have more freedom in the timelines.
I will wait to see what would be the size of the new imac. If it´s a 27 screen, maybe I choose a mac mini and a 34 to 38 screen from another brand. Let´s wait.
I'd say the difference in margin is close to 90% of the price difference, Apple will be paying a tiny fraction of what they charge for RAM/SSD upgrades, they're just being greedy *ssh*les.
I use MBP's, and the last model that you could self upgrade RAM in was 2012, and for SSD 2015. It's not just the pre-upgrade price that stings you, the fact that they're soldered in makes repairs super expensive if any of the components on the motherboard needs replacing, as it usually would require the entire motherboard being replaced, and thus the RAM and SSD with it.
I'll be very curious to see what they do about RAM on the upcoming Mac Pro. The existing non-M1 model has up to 1.5TB RAM, user upgradeable. I can't see any customers that use these machines accepting anything less. So I presume the M1 Quadro/Duo chips will not only have SoC RAM, but user plugin-able external RAM too.
You make some good points, you might well be right.
The only thing that makes me wonder if you're wrong, is the rumours of the M2 MBA's due out this year. However, the rumours might be partly off, and the new MBA's might still rock the M1, but with an updated design otherwise. Or alternatively, they might update the base M1 chip yearly, but only update the Pro/Max/Duo/Quadro every two years. However, if they did that, there would be naming issues, but I suppose they could just skip from M1 Max, straight to M3 Max.
I guess we will see soon enough.
It does, but apparently very few customers care. Many just get a laptop running at ~250% and then a monitor or two at 100%, which is a fairly annoying setup in Windows (although it’s gotten better).
In my experience, I find Windows does not handle it as elegantly as macOS does. I use an iMac 5K with an Asus 27" QHD display and I find that macOS just handles it better than Windows does (where I run the iMac at 200% and the Asus at 100%). Windows handles the UI elements fine at 200% on the iMac display, but window sizing fluctuates between the two displays whereas in macOS it does not. I also don't feel Windows handles text rendering as well as macOS does on the 5K display (which might be an artifact of how Windows handles the scaling).
Mind you, it's perfectly useable (and it has to be since I am on Windows 10-12 hours a day during the work week), but I just believe macOS handles the resolution scaling better.
Apologies, now that you have redefined “pro” for all of us, I will no longer consider myself a professional and will just go live in a cave. /s
More seriously, there have been a lot of rumors about the screen size of the larger iMac. 32, 30, 27 have all been suggested. Apple has a 32” screen but its a very specialize device, not meant for any consumers or most professionals who don’t do video editing and of course it is much too expensive for most of us. The current assumption is that the screen will be 27” and will use mini-LED backlight with dimming zones. If so, the screen size may be driven by how large they can currently make a mini-LED screen at the price it needs to be. Personally, I would be quite happy with a 30” 5.5K IPS-LCD similar to the current 5K iMac, but it seems that Apple and many of their customers would prefer mini-LED.
Also, I can guarantee that a 27” screen is not 1995. I was excited to finally get a big 17” screen in 1995. Even the super expensive Silicon Graphics workstation in our office only had a 20” CRT screen. Also it was also about 20” deep. ?
A lot of that depends on how much you crank the brightness when on dark mode. Keep it reasonable and you will get less blooming.
It would be nice if Apple were to offer a stand alone 32” display for customers who need more screen space but priced for prosumers, not video editors who can spend $6000 on a calibrated monitor.
Exactly. Now we they will have an over expensive $6000 monitor, good for huge studios and a small 27 inch screen. Nothing in between. Wasted opportunity. I really feel that this feeling of disappointment repeats over and over again in each presentation.
1 - I bought my Imac in late 2009.
2 - I waited year after year for a new completely redesign, because the 27 inch screen that we see in the stores have basically the same exact design that I have on my imac from late 2009! We are in 2022! I refuse to spend more than $3000 on a product and bring the same 13 years old design.... so all in all, I waited 13 years!
3 - 2022 would be the the year of the big redesign..it would be the year I would finally buy a new shinny 32 or 34 new Imac......years of disappointing presentations lead to this moment.... and.................27 screen again! ????
I made this sentence 9 years ago as a joke in my working studio. With time, it became true. Memorize the sentence:
Each Apple presentation, is just another opportunity to be disappointed.
Apple you can put this sentence on your official website in the next event. In bolt letters.
I have the money. Give me something modern to buy.
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