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t's essentially 16:10 plus a couple? of lines extra text that you can fit on the screen. It's hardly going to give you a different experience in terms of workspace.
That's right, but at least they didn't make it 16:10 minus the 74 pixels dedicated to the notch, 'cause that would have resulted in ≈16:9.6. Now it’s ≈16:10.4. 15:10 would have been nice, but that's what e.g. MateBooks and Surface devices are for LOL!
 
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I bought this monitor and it's amazing. It looks gorgeous. What I was surprised the most was the screen itself. I've been working on the retina screens for six years now and I was afraid that 163 PPI would be too low. Believe me it isn't. Text is sharp and clear. No pixels visible. I'm very happy with this monitor.
 
This kind of makes sense to me. I have a 94 dpi and 122 dpi monitor at work, and 185 dpi at home. The 122 dpi is significantly better than the 94 dpi, and in my view "nearly sharp enough". So it seems the "good as Retina" point is somewhere between 122 dpi and 163 dpi.
 
What do you think about this? https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/

Is 109 PPI better than 163 PPI for Macos?
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I bought this monitor and it's amazing. It looks gorgeous. What I was surprised the most was the screen itself. I've been working on the retina screens for six years now and I was afraid that 163 PPI would be too low. Believe me it isn't. Text is sharp and clear. No pixels visible. I'm very happy with this monitor.
Great, I bought this monitor (mainly for coding, but I'm glad it looks gorgeous overall) which will arrive tomorrow and on Friday I'll get the new MBP 14". Can't wait to try them both ?
 
So it seems the "good as Retina" point is somewhere between 122 dpi and 163 dpi.
For you — not necessarily for everyone. I have several 220 ppi monitors and 163 ppi is visibly not as good as those; it's not “bad” though.
94 ppi, on the other hand, is unbearable to me. Even at the maximum viewing distance my desk allows, I can clearly see individual pixels. Ugh.
 
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Is 109 PPI better than 163 PPI for Macos?
I'd say it's not about better or worse, it is more about the thing that 109 ppi is just ideologically correct and 163 ppi is not :)
As for me I'd always choose 163 scaled hidpi over outdated 109 non hidpi - it looks incomparably better, clearer and sharper. In fact the difference between 163 scaled hidpi and 217-220 true hidpi is way not so noticeable, than between 163 and 109
 
that 109 ppi is just ideologically correct
What does ideologically mean in this context? :)

@howardroark: The deal is — before "Retina" displays with their 215≈227 ppi range came about and macOS began to be optimised for them, 109 ppi was Apple's target. A 27" 2560×1440 display (e.g. the iMac’s, LED Cinema Display and Thunderbolt Display) or 13" MacBook [Pro] was in that ballpark, while the 11" and 13" MacBook Airs released in 2010 and beyond and the high-res 15" and 17" MacBook Pros had slightly higher ppi in the 127≈135 range. So if you had a display with 109 ppi, UI elements would have the "right size".
Now that macOS is optimised for 215≈227 ppi, the default pixel-doubling HiDPI mode that draws everything twice as wide and twice as tall results in an UI that looks the same and is the same size as it was on a 109 ppi monitor but it's a lot sharper as mentioned by @nlited.
And since text rendering has unfortunately become awful on 109 and lower ppi monitors in macOS, the rules of thumb have pretty much become:
(1) you need a "4K" or higher-resolution monitor to get any form of decent text rendering
(2) the higher the ppi, the better — with the 215≈227 range being the optimum.
 
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Fractional scaling also becomes less of a problem as you go higher in ppi. You might be dividing by 1.75 instead of 2 at 165 ppi. But because the pixels are so tiny the loss in sharpness is not so apparent.
 
I mean that on paper 109 is more correct in terms of that true-hidpi-retina-2x-integer-scaling paradigm ?
I see, you mean simulated 109 ppi. :) Not actual 109 ppi, since that looks like utter crap on macOS unfortunately.
 
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I have to admit to strongly considering picking up another MateView right now. The aspect ratio is just so utterly awesome, scaling peculiarities on macOS aside.
 
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165 DPI is literally the worst possible pixel density for macOS. How can anyone even call this a “iMac killer” with a straight face?
 
I am also just ordered a Mateview! I'm looking for a method to stop Mateview charging to my MBA M1.
Is it because of worries about the increased battery wear when it is always being charged?

1) Just get a mini dp to usb с cable and connect it via mini dp but keep in mind that this way the usb hub is not going to work.
2) Use AL dente. You can make it work the way that when your mac is off/sleeping it stops charging at all.
3) Also you can use any tb3/tb4 hub or docking station and connect MateView any way you want - this way it will not charge your MBA as well.
 
165 DPI is literally the worst possible pixel density for macOS.
People who use this monitor with macOS, myself included, probably disagree. And I have several 220 ppi monitors to compare it to. It's down to personal taste.

How can anyone even call this a “iMac killer” with a straight face?
To be fair, only the OP did.
 
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165 DPI is literally the worst possible pixel density for macOS. How can anyone even call this a “iMac killer” with a straight face?

Because fractional scaling rendering ("more space") has improved in recent versions of OS X, and even "real" Mac monitors are often used in fractional scaling mode. In fact Apple used to sell Macbooks set to a non pixel-doubled mode.

Trying fractional scaling on a 100dpi monitor is a disaster, far less of a problem as you go higher in dpi. In fact when 8K monitors become commonplace (2022?) you'll be able to fractional scale without any discernible loss in sharpness at all.
 
5K will never happen because it's uneconomic to fabricate panels at non-TV standard resolutions. 4K panels are very cheap for manufacturers to produce now (<$100 cost of the bare panel). Affordable 8K computer displays will happen as soon as TVs start being produced in large numbers at that resolution.

(for reasons I don't quite fully understand once a panel fab can handle a given resolution, different ppi at that same resolution are easy and economic to make e.g. a 24" 27" 32" @ 4K)
 
5K will never happen because it's uneconomic to fabricate panels at non-TV standard resolutions.
27” 5K panels will continue to be fabricated as long as the 27” iMac exists though. :) So people can use these to build a DIY 5K monitor.
 
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So it seems the "good as Retina" point is somewhere between 122 dpi and 163 dpi.
"dpi" (or, more strictly pixels per inch, PPI, but that's only an issue when comparing with print) is widely cited as "resolution" in computing and photography, but when you're talking about the resolving power of optical instruments (as in, say, the Mk 1 human eyeball) the appropriate measure is angular resolution - i.e. the separation of the "dots" divided by the viewing distance. You can only define "retina" just in terms of PPI for devices like phones, tablets and maybe laptops where you can reasonably predict the viewing distance.

If you want to take St Jobs at his word - the "retina" display on the iPhone was 'over 300 PPI viewed from about 12" away' - if your external display is 24" away (which is about where my iMac is), then it becomes "retina" at 150 PPI.

The math isn't rocket science, but there's a handy calculator at https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/ - which gives the MateView as "becomes retina at or over 21 inches".

Of course, retina = ">300 ppi @ 12 inches" is a debatable definition pulled out of the air by Apple, but for print media, 300 dpi (= ppi for monochrome text/line art) at "reading distance" has been the "standard" for some years since.... oh, wait, since Apple pulled it out of the air when they made the Laserwriter :)

5K will never happen because it's uneconomic to fabricate panels at non-TV standard resolutions.
Well it did happen - with the launch of 5k displays from Dell, HP, Philips etc. some years ago - and then it unhappened when those all sank without trace. Probably complicated at the time because they mostly required a kludgey dual-stream DisplayPort connection. If there aren't enough "early adopters" to start the ball rolling, then a technology won't get off the ground.

Thing is, 5k is just a bit better than 4k but (IMHO) not enough to be worth extra hassle and expense. It has two selling points: (1) it's a "sweet spot" for MacOS, since it is a 2x scaling from the "2.5k" that has been used in iMacs and cinema displays for years and (2) you can edit 4k video at 1:1 and still have space for control palettes etc. around the edges.

(1) is irrelevant for Windows PCs where "full HD" 1920x1080 has been about the most common format for years - and, anyway, Windows is more flexible about UI scaling than MacOS.

(2) is pointless unless you have golden eyeballs that can appreciate 4k moving video in a window at < 27" diagonal (and in the recent past you were probably using low-quality proxy video anyway) - better to have a large-screen 4k TV hung on the wall just for video preview.

I've got a cheap 4k 28" sitting next to my 5k iMac and - yes - the iMac is better resolution, but it's not that much better (once you allow for the fact that 4k screens with far better colour than mine are available)... and "looks like 2560x1440" scaled mode is pretty good unless your workflow involves climbing on the desk with a jewellers loupe and doing A/B comparisons. Pre-M1, there may have been an issue with the Intel Mac Mini having the GPU grunt to support scaled displays, but that shouldn't be an issue now - less if a M1 Pro Mini appears.

27” 5K panels will continue to be fabricated as long as the 27” iMac exists though.
Maybe not for long - because unless something goes very wrong at Apple, the 27" iMac is due to be replaced during 2022. Looking at the 24" M1 iMac and M1 Pro/Max MBPs, Apple are quite happy to go with custom sizes/resolutions so the '27" 5k' bit (which is already pretty much an Apple exclusive) is likely to change. I doubt we'll see a massively larger iMac, but I'm sure they'll up the ante a bit. It's quite possible that the last 5k panel to be made is already sitting in a container ship somewhere.
 
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