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Thanks for the invite, edesignuk :) My 2 tenges worth (not very much - do a currency conversion!)

I just wanted to say that I was not suggesting one instead of the other - ie reputation instead of 100 posts, but rather both, simultaneously - hence someone with 50 posts (still with restrictions), might have loads of rep points and someone with 3000 posts might have few rep points - that speaks volumes to me.

After a couple of PM's politely requesting that discussion continue I see no harm in doing so.

So, here you go, fill your boots...
 
After a couple of PM's politely requesting that discussion continue I see no harm in doing so.
Thanks e. :)
I disagree. The marketplace is no more a "privilege" than the normal discussion forums, where non-mod and admin members provide the vast majority of the content and value. But I digress.

It isn't really about content or value, but about the work that goes into maintenance. The mods have to do a lot of work to keep the Marketplace free from violations. If they decided to tell Arn and the other gods how difficult it was getting, they could very well just abandon the MP altogether and you'd be forced to go to ebay or Craigslist. So, in that regard, the MP is very much a privilege, just like being able to participate on these forums.

I fail to see how someone who has posted 70 trivial replies more than me is has proven himself to be more trustworthy.
It isn't always about specifics. It's about generalities. Go back to my lottery example (or any example where you need a certain minimum to participate). The rule won't work all the time, but it will work enough of the time where it's still useful.

Considering what e told you about vB software, you should also understand that it's a real pain in the arse to make an exception (and thereby many, many future exceptions).
And I think expecting 100 substantial posts from a member merely to allow marketplace posting is a bit over the top.

What's over the top about it? It's a requirement like any other.

As you'll see in this thread, many people felt that it was too low of a requirement. ;)

Treating everyone the same does not magically justify the treatment nor make it fair. If this situation somehow only applied to myself, it would be a different matter, but I'm sure it applies to a much larger number of members, certainly larger than "a handful".

What's unfair about having consistent and evenly applied rules? :confused:

I can't comment on the nature of "handful" or not, but given how most people accept and understand the rules as they are, I think it's fair to say that only a handful feel strongly enough to object to the rules.

Nevertheless, If this is truly the board consensus, then so be it.
Remember, it doesn't matter what all of us say; it matters only what the mods/gods say. It's their choice (and most of all Arn's). It isn't up to popular referendum; MR is an autocracy through and through. ;)
There are other places besides MR to sell stuff. I don't understand the sense of entitlement people sometimes feel over this. It's a perk, (albeit for the regulars) not a right.

I would say it's because they're all youngins, but I'm young and I don't know the age of anyone else. :p

But yes, I agree completely with your post Blue.

Another option used on forums is the reputation option where you can award points to helpful members so everyone knows who is constructive and makes useful posts, regardless of number of posts.

Eh...there has been plenty of discussion on reputation systems too, and we all know why they go south. I like MR without them (no wars started). Besides, I'm not sure they'd really be all that useful for MP.
 
Ah, but then I could create an account, make no posts and come back in 6 months/1 year and scam someone. I think though a 100 posts and 6 months membership would be a better qualifier, or maybe 75 posts and 6 months membership.

Of course. I could use my 3 year old account with 2000 posts to scam someone. So, should it be 4 years and 3000 posts? (;

The rule was created for credibility's sake and to avoid opportunists. I feel that both of these conditions can be satisfied by a length of membership clause just as easily as a number of posts clause. I'm no VB pro, but I imagine this would be relatively simple to implement, and cause no more appreciable work for the mods.
 
Of course. I could use my 3 year old account with 2000 posts to scam someone.

But you've gone to a lot of effort to scam someone when you could have done so more easily on eBay for example. Low hanging fruit and all that ;).
 
If you come up with a sensible/better proposal that is well explained, I'm sure the people in charge (of which I am not one) will consider it.

No disrespect, but I doubt it, and I have no desire to antagonize others here with furtherer suggestions. I basically advocate dropping the post count (in half or more) and maybe adding a small time limit to post in the marketplace.

This is where you are incorrect. The marketplace is a privilege in your eyes. These boards are privately owned and operated. Therefore your privileges are only the ones given to you by the owner. The "sense of entitlement" you have is mislead.

I don't really want to continue this conversation further, because may be a passionate topic, and we seem to disagree on a fundamental level. I believe that both poster and board host (admin, owner, mods, etc.) make an exchange by adding value to the board, and if we are to talk about privileges, we must consider the privilege the owner, admin and mods are gaining via the contribution of posts, without which a board is useless.

That is my point of view, but I don't really want to argue about this, because I believe it has a high probability of ending simply in discord with no real resolution for anyone.

If you do not agree with the terms of this board then sell your items on another board.

That is a given, and not up for discussion.

I've made my point known, and I think I should retire from this discussion.

Thanks.
 
I think the 100 posts requirement is a good rule.

I sort of wish though that being able to start a thread in the Marketplace should also come with being a contributor. Anyone who forks over $25 to a web site will probably not spam the Marketplace.

I run a forum where only contributors can start threads in the Marketplace. It works great and we generate a lot of income that way. You guys are really lucky to be able to post in the Marketplace for free after 100 posts.
 
I sort of wish though that being able to start a thread in the Marketplace should also come with being a contributor. Anyone who forks over $25 to a web site will probably not spam the Marketplace.

$25 doesn't imply that you won't spam and cheat in the Marketplace though (suppose your ebay rating is bad). Money ≠ time on the forums.

100 posts represents a basic measure how long/how much time you've invested on the site.

Besides, if $25 was the only way to post in the Marketplace (like on the other site you described), you'd get a lot of problems with people making use of transaction delays and the like to cheat both ends.
 
Besides, if $25 was the only way to post in the Marketplace (like on the other site you described), you'd get a lot of problems with people making use of transaction delays and the like to cheat both ends.
Not really. You would be surprised on very little problems we have. Most people who contribute are not there to spam. They just want to contribute to the site. Heck, we have had several occasions where contributors don't even know they can start threads on the Marketplace until later since they don't read the entire benefits listing. Their only interest was to keep the lights on.
 
Not really. You would be surprised on very little problems we have. Most people who contribute are not there to spam. They just want to contribute to the site. Heck, we have had several occasions where contributors don't even know they can start threads on the Marketplace until later since they don't read the entire benefits listing. Their only interest was to keep the lights on.

Out of curiosity, what is the traffic like on that board?

Nonetheless, a fee to be able to post in the MP isn't a great idea. It almost sets up a business transaction between thread starters and the site, and I'm sure MR doesn't want to go there.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the traffic like on that board?

Nonetheless, a fee to be able to post in the MP isn't a great idea. It almost sets up a business transaction between thread starters and the site, and I'm sure MR doesn't want to go there.
No biggy. Just an idea to kick around. Like I said, the 100 post rule appears to work here just fine.

Oh, and the site I run is not nearly as large as MR but our traffic and membership is respectable (a little less than half of MR).
 
I don't use the marketplace, so my opinion doesn't really count, in my own opinion :p, but I find the length-of-membership-or-100-posts idea intriguing. It stands to reason that someone who's been around for a long time but not necessarily posted a lot would be a safe bet. There's no more reason to think that someone would make an account only to come back in a year to scam, than there is to assume someone will spam to 100 posts in order to scam.

But someone brought up the fact that vBulletin makes it a pain to make exceptions, and I suppose this would fall into that category. That alone would be a reason not to do it.

That said, if the rule works well now and satisfies most people who use the marketplace (not to mention those who have to moderate it), then I certainly don't have any objections.
 
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