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Can someone tell me what a mirrorless camera is? Its used allot here and I don't know the difference between this type of camera and a standard DSLR. Thanks..

I don't always trust Google and have been given false information numerous times there. In the field of Theology lots and lots of amateurs who got C's and D's in school in their theology courses think they are experts and host websites with lots of false and inaccurate information. Yet many think their websites, blogs, and youtube videos are the same as a quality book written by a scholar. NOT!!!! The same can be said of tech sites where I have been misled numerous times.
 
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It's ironic that you ask this question. I am almost done with a research paper that explores the theological implications of mirrorless cameras. I spend a fair amount of time explaining what mirrorless cameras are on both functional and spiritual levels. I'm also breaking it down so I can look at mirrorless ILC, P&S, and phones both together and separately. It has been a fascinating and enlightening project.
Because of COVID restrictions I had to do most of the research online.
I hope I get it right.
 
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This seems to be a good article, from a well known camera store.

In the simplest term, mirrorless doesn't have a mirror inside the camera (mirror-less), while DSLR does. This allows mirrorless cameras to be more compact.
 
This seems to be a good article, from a well known camera store.

In the simplest term, mirrorless doesn't have a mirror inside the camera (mirror-less), while DSLR does. This allows mirrorless cameras to be more compact.
That’s the main advantage? More compact?
 
This seems to be a good article, from a well known camera store.

In the simplest term, mirrorless doesn't have a mirror inside the camera (mirror-less), while DSLR does. This allows mirrorless cameras to be more compact.
Good article. I don’t understand it but I see some advantages.
 
I’m not particularly savvy with a lot of the technicals but I also know that lens design has improved with many mirrorless brands because it can be mounted closer to the sensor without the mirror getting in the way. This allows for better light collection and other advantages over a traditional mirror box.
 
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Can someone tell me what a mirrorless camera is? Its used allot here and I don't know the difference between this type of camera and a standard DSLR. Thanks..

I don't always trust Google and have been given false information numerous times there. In the field of Theology lots and lots of amateurs who got C's and D's in school in their theology courses think they are experts and host websites with lots of false and inaccurate information. Yet many think their websites, blogs, and youtube videos are the same as a quality book written by a scholar. NOT!!!! The same can be said of tech sites where I have been misled numerous times.
Websites in any field will range from the informational to the hyperbolic. The web runs on clicks/advertising/likes/followers. And too, most websites will have a "point of view". It's about educating ourselves enough to discriminate and sift through the rubbish. That education is constant.
 
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While I was in college at RIT's Photographic Science course, I had a roommate who was in the "Illustrator" course. True artsy photographer. He used a Leica M3, known as rangefinder cameras. Compact, quiet and excellent optics. A "mirrorless" film camera. He made his camera less obvious by covering it in black tape so he could get up close to people and take the "fleeting moment" picture without alarming people. Henry Cartier-Bresson was his hero. This quote by him tells it all: "To his mind, photography provided a means, in an increasingly synthetic epoch, for preserving the real and humane world."

It would violate copyright laws to post my roommates photos here, but you can see his work at https://wkeithmcmanus1624.sitewelder.com/content.html?page=1
 
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It's ironic that you ask this question. I am almost done with a research paper that explores the theological implications of mirrorless cameras.
It is what Jesus used. There, research done. :D

Seriously, while I bought my first DSLR (Mamyia/Sekor) in 1969 I went from a full frame digital Nikon DSLR to a Sony full frame mirrorless a7RIII) , and wife upgraded from a P&S to a Sony mirrorless crop sensor A6000.

Differences between DSLR and Mirrorless? Size and weight are major. What convinced me was borrowing an original Sony A7 with daughter's wedding in the Canary Islands. Night and day vs prior years lugging a Nikon D650 all around Europe. While the camera body may be smaller, lens not so much despite the slightly different design for flange distance. Can't fight the laws of physics...50mm is 50mm given the same 3/2 full frame opening.

Probably the biggest difference with the lack of a mirror is the direct live viewing on the LCD/viewfinder (if it has one). Any change in apertues or shutter adjustment by you, or mother nature removing your light, is directly demonstrated on the LCD/viewfinder. By contrast, most DSLR's have a mirror impaciting direct read, providing the exposure data only. It needs the mirror to flip up to take the picture...then chimp in the LCD screen adjusting for a retake if necessary.

Quiet mode. As I was shooting an orchestra that prohibited camera's during performance due to noise. I demonstrated my quiet shutter - literally silent - to the conductor and was allowed. The quiet mode on a Nikon or Canon DSLR is lower volume, but still audible and sound like slow lotion as it entends the shutter acion. I was the envy of the Nikon and Canon shooters at that concert.
 
"Silent" mode has proven to be a real blessing to wedding photographers and event photographers, as well as to wildlife photographers in some situations. The characteristic "thunk" of a mirror flapping in a DSLR is absent in a mirrorless camera. DSLRs cannot be set to "silent" mode. Mirrorless cameras can.

The EVF -- Electronic Viewfinder -- is magical in that one can look through the EVF and immediately see the scene and one's settings and make adjustments when the exposure is clearly off or one realizes that a different balance of aperture, shutter priority and ISO might work better than the way one has things set up. Live Viewing on a DSLR can be rather awkward and kludgy, but on a mirrorless it's a smooth, effortless process. An EVF is especially useful when somehow a setting gets inadvertently changed without the user intending to do so. With a DSLR, yes, the only way one would know that is by "chimping" and by then it's too late to make the adjustment for that particular image. With an EVF on a mirrorless camera one sees even while looking through the EVF that something's wrong, the exposure values are off and the scene is either overexposed or underexposed. A glance at how one has set the aperture, shutter speed and ISO can indicate that everything's fine there -- BUT, aha, somehow the exposure compensation button got knocked out of position and is set at a level that is wrong for the scene. A quick adjustment takes care of that and then the photographer shoots the scene....

To me now DSLRs look so bulky and heavy compared to my mirrorless camera bodies -- but yeah, the lenses haven't exactly lost weight or bulk, especially when it comes to FF ones! I never would have dreamed that once again I'd be doing the long lens / tripod / Wimberley gimbal thing again, but yeah, with my 200-600m "Bazooka" the tripod and the Wimberley are really helpful, pretty much necessary. My 100-400mm is a lens which is comfortable for me to carry around and hand-hold while shooting, even with a TC attached.

In shooting macro, in shooting the birds, having that scene and exposure information so readily visible in the EVF is a real blessing and I can't imagine ever going back to an optical VF.
 
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The movement of the mirror will also introduce vibrations into the camera/lens system which can have a negative impact on image sharpness.

Other factors are usually much more important in creating sharp images, but mirror slap is a potential problem with DSLRs/SLRs. Mirrorless cameras avoid this issue since there is no mirror present.
 
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I’m not particularly savvy with a lot of the technicals but I also know that lens design has improved with many mirrorless brands because it can be mounted closer to the sensor without the mirror getting in the way. This allows for better light collection and other advantages over a traditional mirror box.
This superior optical design is one of the keys.

Cameras in the late Nineteenth century were built where the rear element was very close to the focal plane. Think of the bellows-style cameras like a 4x5 view camera. By putting the rear element at the focal plane, this allows for a nearly-symmetrical lens design where the cross-section of the front half of the lens looks like a mirror of the rear half. This is particularly important for wide-angle lenses.

The reflex mirror in the SLR (and other reflex mirror cameras) prevents the rear lens element from being adjacent to the focal plane. That requires a retrofocus lens design that introduces complexity and worse increases lens size; this is basic optical physics.

Most of today's great mirrorless lens designs were invented in the late 19th century. With digital mirrorless cameras, many manufacturers can return to these classic lens designs now that the pesky reflex mirror is out of the way.

Note that this is not specific to digital photography. Mirrorless 35mm film cameras also enjoyed vastly superior optical designs and smaller lenses. Look at the 35mm rangefinders like Leica and Contax cameras.

You can see this comparing lens designs for 35mm SLRs (retrofocus) and 35mm mirrorless rangefinders. At the same focal length, the SLR lenses are massive compared to the equivalent rangefinder lenses. The former also have more performance problems (distortion, light falloff, etc.). A 28mm Distagon wide-angle lens is HUGE. The 28mm Biogon wide-angle lens is tiny. The Biogon lens design is vastly superior to the Distagon but it can't be used in an SLR.

Even the same lens design in 35mm SLR vs. 35mm rangefinders is vast. Look at the size/weight difference between 50mm/f1.4 Planar for Contax SLRs vs. the 45mm/f2 Planar for Contax G-series rangefinders.

Whether you are a pro or amateur, you have to think whether or not you want to carry around a bulky body and humongous lens versus a slimmer body and smaller lens to capture a photo at the same equivalent focal length. For a pro, pitching that four pound 300mm/f2.8 (or 600mm/f4 honker) sure starts to look appealing if you're shooting a three hour football game.

Now that digital cameras have moved to digital (non-optical) viewfinders, a wider range of lens focal lengths are available to digital mirrorless cameras. This wasn't realistic for 35mm rangefinders with built-in optical viewfinders.
 
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