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Misc discussion re: app size/Monolingual [split]
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What the fark did you do to your Safari?
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Probably what Apple are going to do to it in Snow Leopard and charge you for it.
Mine is pretty much the same size as yours, on a clean Leopard install. And I didn't even install all the language translations!
The only thing I've done is run Monolingual to remove non-English language support, from MS Office, as well.
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thats possible if SL were to drop PPC and integrate part of safari into the system. such that safari.app would be an complete standalone app anymore.
but there the meaning of comparison would be lost.
Here's my difference between Firefox and Safari
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Sure! It just removes the non-English language support for menus, help, etc. Has no effect on what web pages you see. You won't see anything different after running Monolingual, except more free disk space.
its difficult to imagine those items can take 60mb space tho. i will do some research on this topic later.
again. osx is system wide multi-lingul. there is no reason to add extra language pack into safari at the first place. if those are indeed the factor.
Yup, it seems a bit much for language packs. My guess is that those chinese packs take up a lot of space (I can't check, as I don't have them installed).
I disagree. The place for a language pack should be in the app, not in the OS. The reason is, of course, that if I make an app, it might have menus not anticipated by the OS. Of course, they could install the language packs in a different place than the app itself, but that wouldn't make much sense then you had to go hunt down the packs after you deleted the app itself.
well, can you actually use some other language UI for safari in a system with, say, english?
Also, is that basically saying whenever you download a webkit nightly, you are downloading all the languages again and again?
still, I will dig more about this.
Yes, you can – vice versa too. When installing my OS, I made it danish – one cannot uninstall the "universal english", though.
Many apps don't come in danish (surprised? Haha!), so while the rest of the apps and os is danish, that particular app is english.
Also, I can choose, say, norwegian, aafricaans or something as the only "active" language in an app, and it will open in that language.
If you want to try it without deleting anything, "untick" english in the CMD+i box and have just one other language ticked. Then open the app (then close and reverse, of course).
Oops, you added:
I'm not sure with the webkit nightlies (as I don't download nightlies), but if it has more than one language, yes, you're downloading them again and again.
The same goes for things like QT-updates and the sort. QT seem to be a prime offender with rather big language packs.
My first research shows Monolingual probably removes the PPC part of app as well.
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20080815074014531
if its true, I think its design flaw, but again, I still need to check. Monolingual's webpage offers little details.
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20080815074014531
if its true, I think its design flaw, but again, I still need to check. Monolingual's webpage offers little details.
Monolingual gives you that option. You can choose what languages you want to remove, as well as what architectures.
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That looks like a great app. I'm going to use it on program's I install after I reinstall OS X.
To do so, install everything you want, then run Monolingual one time. It searches your entire system and all apps, removing whatever languages and architectures you select. It doesn't seem to remove anything from the WebKit nightly builds, however.
it does indeed, now comes to the question about how do we compare is fair. Since monolinqual removes quite alot stuff, not only "language" as previously mentioned.
Does it allow you to operate on individual apps? if so, why not try out your webkit nightly and see how it goes.
I don't think of it as a design flaw. Think of downloading an app you never had before – where would you get the app menus, the warnings and so forth from?
Some apps, though, you can download in either Multilingual, english, and even some in such a small language as danish-only.
Firefox, for instance, can be downloaded with just a single language, Omniweb can either be downloaded as a "multilingual" or english-only version.
I don't use automated apps to do this as they scare me – people run into trouble often it seems. I'd rather use the inbuilt feature to do it manually. First time is a pain, but after that, I simply do it on the specific app whenever it has been updated.
That's the one limitation I've seen that I don't care for with Monolingual. You can't select just one app to run it against. The preferences (shown) allows you some degree of targeting, but not down to the individual app level. As I mentioned before, it doesn't remove anything from the WebKit nightly builds. I'm not sure why.
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Nope. I'm guessing it could be that they're using a different setup instead of .lprojs.
But give me a link to the nightlies and I'll see if manually deleting language files work.
Thanks.
I was right. The webkit nightlies only have one language. And they don't use the .lproj-setup at all. In other words, not being a programmer and not knowing the proper terms, I would say that the language is "hardwired" into the app, unlike apps that make use of language packs, if that makes sense?
Edit: I take some of it back: The webkit seems to be using Safari's language packs, gui etc. Hell, it even starts up as "safari".
Thanks.
I was right. The webkit nightlies only have one language. And they don't use the .lproj-setup at all. In other words, not being a programmer and not knowing the proper terms, I would say that the language is "hardwired" into the app, unlike apps that make use of language packs, if that makes sense?
Edit: I take some of it back: The webkit seems to be using Safari's language packs, so there ARE no language packs at all.
and webkit is now 80 mb in size. its getting interesting now. i wonder exactly what has been removed. and what contributes to the size difference most.
Well, the nightlies have separate "webcores" for 10.4, 10.5 weighing in at 26.5 and 26.9MB respectively. I think the reason for this and other bloat is because it's a nightly, making it easier for the developers/coders/whatever you want to call them to change things, code and test. It is, after all, what is akin to a prototype or "proof of concept".