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I think he's referring to the fact that it's still a "mission control" version of expose. Meaning it still shrinks the screen and shows all the mini desktops at the top.
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Mission Control - Still A Failure
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I think he's referring to the fact that it's still a "mission control" version of expose. Meaning it still shrinks the screen and shows all the mini desktops at the top.
That, and you can't see all windows across Spaces and no window labels. App Expose is still closer to the real thing, and if you're still missing it you might as well use that.
Well, im currently using SL. I never used lion or higher. Speaking of how bad u guys say Mission Control is (well most of ya), when ML comes out (hopefuly its coming wiht a mac), i will see how bad misson control is, or good. Few more month till my answer. Cannot wait! Or you have my answer now, 
probaly not. But apple does, but they'll never tell me now.
probaly not. But apple does, but they'll never tell me now.
I still have RightZoom installed on every computer and every account. The green button's default setting is ridiculously stupid. I dont waste my time anymore resizing windows to get them aligned.
RightZoom combined with Cinch makes a stellar combo.
The new Beta of TotalSpaces has implemented an Expose clone.
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/changes
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/
The implementation is still very early and has a few rough edges to polish out, but it looks like the developer is making a lot of progress.
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/changes
http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/
The implementation is still very early and has a few rough edges to polish out, but it looks like the developer is making a lot of progress.
MC vs Expose
I just bought my first Mac after using them at my previous job for a couple years. Since I had a period of time not using a Mac during which Apple switched from Expose to MC, I might have a unique perspective on MC. Which is to say, it's not what I expected, but, neither am I totally ingrained with the behavior of Expose. Having said that, I have found that MC is unable to provide me with a view of tabbed browser windows. Even Windows 7 is kind enough to give you a couple different ways to discover your tabs quickly and easily through the task bar. (One of which OSX also provides; right-click on icon.)
When I was using a Mac before I found that I came to rely on Expose more and more. With MC, I find myself wondering about its usefulness. I don't want to say Apple needs to chuck MC, it seems interesting, it's just not totally "there" yet.
I think the problem is that App-Expose does nothing. MC is not bad, though the "spread" gesture should do more. The real issue is that once you find your app through MC, you're still in the same boat if you try to use App-Expose. App-Expose does nothing for tabs. I was expecting old Expose behavior for App-Expose, and that makes sense even in the context of MC. The problem with old Expose was that EVERYTHING got exposed. I work with web development so maybe my case is unique. The issue I used to have with old Expose was that I'd have the same page open in 3 browsers and it was hard to tell which one I wanted to see through old Expose. So MC makes sense for sorting that out. Where everything falls apart is with app-Expose, so I've found the app I want through MC, select it and swipe down, annnnd not a damn thing happens.
My suggestion is to have App-Expose function just like old Expose.
I just bought my first Mac after using them at my previous job for a couple years. Since I had a period of time not using a Mac during which Apple switched from Expose to MC, I might have a unique perspective on MC. Which is to say, it's not what I expected, but, neither am I totally ingrained with the behavior of Expose. Having said that, I have found that MC is unable to provide me with a view of tabbed browser windows. Even Windows 7 is kind enough to give you a couple different ways to discover your tabs quickly and easily through the task bar. (One of which OSX also provides; right-click on icon.)
When I was using a Mac before I found that I came to rely on Expose more and more. With MC, I find myself wondering about its usefulness. I don't want to say Apple needs to chuck MC, it seems interesting, it's just not totally "there" yet.
I think the problem is that App-Expose does nothing. MC is not bad, though the "spread" gesture should do more. The real issue is that once you find your app through MC, you're still in the same boat if you try to use App-Expose. App-Expose does nothing for tabs. I was expecting old Expose behavior for App-Expose, and that makes sense even in the context of MC. The problem with old Expose was that EVERYTHING got exposed. I work with web development so maybe my case is unique. The issue I used to have with old Expose was that I'd have the same page open in 3 browsers and it was hard to tell which one I wanted to see through old Expose. So MC makes sense for sorting that out. Where everything falls apart is with app-Expose, so I've found the app I want through MC, select it and swipe down, annnnd not a damn thing happens.
My suggestion is to have App-Expose function just like old Expose.
Yes it has. Now it shows recent documents (along with minimized windows in the same area that confuses many) as well. It's very perplexing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't old Expose show tabs? It would be nice IMO if app-expose revealed all the tabs or documents currently open in the active app... I see that App-Expose currently does this if the app creates a new window for each document, but it does nothing for tabs that I have seen.
You do realize you are supposed to use the spacebar in combination with the swipe up in Mission Control right? That eliminates the need to even use App Exposé in most cases. The swipe up allows you to hover over any window easily (it will get a blue outline.) And then you use the spacebar to make it much larger to see the contents of that particular window.
Unfortunately, that is nowhere near the same thing as what old Expose does.
Think about it for a second. I have 20 tabs open in a browser window, I want to see them all visually and go straight to the one I want, I could do that with old Expose.
As I stated in another post, the "spread" function does next to nothing and pecking in and out with spacebar is a waste of time which also does not allow you to view the content of tabs.
I have another problem with the spacebar, why am I doing that when I've just been using gestures? Perhaps the "spread" gesture should produce an effect similar to old Expose, but only for the selected app of course.
You couldn't see tabs within a browser window in the old Exposé. I'm not sure what you are remembering.
If you mean windows and not tabs, you can still use exposé in Lion, the problem is that it only show the windows of the active app and not all apps like in SL, but if you know what window do you want to select, you won't have a problem.
If you really meant tabs, then you are wrong. Exposé has never show windows tabs.
I could have sworn that it used to do that. Maybe there was something installed on the mac that added that functionality? I wouldn't know for sure because it wasn't my computer.
Whether I remembered it correctly or not, I think it would be nice to have a way to view tabs, Win 7 makes that pretty easy, but not as nice as Expose like functionality would be.
I still miss spaces and don't see why Apple couldn't have both options. Have got used to Mission Control but it doesn't offer the same level of "control" as spaces did. Come on Apple, give us the choice!
I created a Facebook page for persons who would like to see Mission control updated
I'm also not happy with the current implementation of Mission control. I've done like the person with the Mac pro since it seemed at least to make Apple to react a little bit : I created a Facebook Page about it. If as me you want to see Mission control improved please like this page : http://www.facebook.com/WeWantANewMissionControl
I'm also not happy with the current implementation of Mission control. I've done like the person with the Mac pro since it seemed at least to make Apple to react a little bit : I created a Facebook Page about it. If as me you want to see Mission control improved please like this page : http://www.facebook.com/WeWantANewMissionControl
Mission Control is indeed total crap, they butchered expose and spaces completely. Why would anyone want to see that horrific dashboard space in the corner when browsing open applications? Mission Control displays redundant and irrelevant spaces.
OP is totally right, there was NO point in combining spaces with expose, none what so ever. All it does is clutter and remove functionality. Stacking windows from the same app together? You surely have lost the plot Apple. I don't understand how such a stupid flaw can come into fruition.
OP is totally right, there was NO point in combining spaces with expose, none what so ever. All it does is clutter and remove functionality. Stacking windows from the same app together? You surely have lost the plot Apple. I don't understand how such a stupid flaw can come into fruition.
If that's the case then why not include it as an optional feature? Why FORCE every one to see it in a flawed manor when trying to use expose? Mission Control incorporates irrelevant spaces anyway when you use expose. Its a complete mess.
Not really. It's simple.
Mission Control shows you a list of your spaces at top and what apps are running full screen.
Below it shows the windows of apps that aren't running full screen. It's simple enough to explain to the average consumer. Those that want the old skool way can get it in Hyperspaces or TotalSpaces
How exactly is mission control more functional that expose and spaces in SL? Snow Leopard allowed one to see all of the windows open, which is the whole point. Mission Control groups and layers the opened windows into separate apps, so you can't actually see what is open at all.
I know the spaces are displayed a long the top, but why? If a person only has one space open, which according to people on here most people do, what is the point of that huge grey border and the two irrelevant spaces? What is even the point in showing dashboard at all? It serves no purpose at all. Like I said, its a mess.
Expose and Spaces didn't scale well.
The more open windows an application had the smaller they scaled in Expose. Spaces was too complex for consumers. You had to choose which apps were supposed to open in one or all spaces. Often if you messed up opening a particular app would disrupt what was going on and yank the user into the space designed for the app just opened.
I do not deny that Expose and Spaces were powerful but they just didn't provide utility across the majority of Mac users which means a redesign. Apple's not interested in catering to just a few hardcore users.
The more open windows an application had the smaller they scaled in Expose. Spaces was too complex for consumers. You had to choose which apps were supposed to open in one or all spaces. Often if you messed up opening a particular app would disrupt what was going on and yank the user into the space designed for the app just opened.
I do not deny that Expose and Spaces were powerful but they just didn't provide utility across the majority of Mac users which means a redesign. Apple's not interested in catering to just a few hardcore users.
Whoever said full screen apps are opened far right. Yes, but you can order them to your liking by dragging. Then a three finger swipe always takes you in the order you want and expect.
The only thing I don't like is that full screen apps like iPhoto aren't fully operational in full screen so you have to take them out to do certain tasks.
The only thing I don't like is that full screen apps like iPhoto aren't fully operational in full screen so you have to take them out to do certain tasks.