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5G does not excite me. At the moment, it is nothing more than a necessary checkbox that Apple needs to tick. Now, a ProMotion display is something sexy and material

This.

I’m telling you right now Apple is going to experience some level of slower sales volume without a 120 hz display, plain and simple. Look, iMessage and the Apple eco system is nice, but from a technology standpoint the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra 5G is running circles around the current iPhones. Like many have said here 5G is meh, but for every day usage 120 promotion would have an immediate impact in daily use. Apple would be wise not to test customer loyalty.
 
No offense, but I'm so tired of seeing this rhetoric on anything related to 5G. We're literally on a forum dedicated to a technology company. We follow every iterative iPhone/iPad/Watch/AirPod/software update to see what little improvements they will bring, yet we're not interested in upgrading to a new generation of mobile internet speeds, capacity, and reliability?

How are we so forward-thinking with Apple products, but we can't imagine a world past LTE? People here upgrade their iPhones every year despite not noticing any speed difference and only seeing small iterative improvements, yet we can't possibly understand the value of faster data, less latency, and more capacity? And in a new generation of technology that only comes once every decade? And even after seeing how much the world has been transformed in the transition from 3G to 4G?
3G was really slow and most of the mobile applications that mattered most were struggling including video calls hence 4G was well received. Right now truely 4G mobiles are NOT struggling for speed in most of the practical applications including software downloads and cheaper data plans.

For 5G to make sense for the most a clear use case must be made out (through WiFi networks this can be demonstrated). For Mobiles beyond certain level of performance and connectivity speeds can be detrimental in terms of battery performance.
 
It’s good that Apple is giving the choice, but as someone who lives in a very rural town in the US, it will be years until even sub-6ghz is available here. If my iPhone 11 lasts, this might be the first phone I go over 2 years to upgrade. Good and informative article.
 
What I’m really interested in, is the power consumption of sub-6GHz 5G. If it’s similar to LTE power consumption, the battery life of the regular iPhone 12 could be pretty good. If sub-6 GHz 5G is more power demanding, we can see pretty bad battery life in smaller devices like the base 5,4” iPhone 6.

Hopefully the modem on the next generation of iPhone will be the 5nm Qualcomm X60
 
The thoretical speed difference between sub-6 Ghz and mmWave is not very interesting in practice. The data rates mentioned in the article (T-Mobile sub-6: 200 Mbit/s, Verizon LTE 53Mbit/s) are very low compared to what the respective technologies are capable of.

This message will be sent over my 5G connection. I am in a suburb, the 5G modem itself is outdoors, and the base station is a couple of blocks away (not line-of-sight). Download speeds are rock steady 400 Mbit/s as my connection is limited to that value (and the operator even gives some guarantees on the speed). If I cared to pay a bit more, the connection would be around 900–1000 Mbit/s even in practice. And this is sub-6 GHz. I don't need the extra speeds because my own WiFi limits the speed to some hundreds of megabits per second.

Just to compare: Right at the moment Speedtest gives me 109 Mbit/s down, 26 Mbit/s up on an iPhone with an LTE connection (indoors). If it wasn't a Saturday night and everyone watching something, the numbers would be considerably higher.

I am not saying this to brag about how great the local operators are in this corner of the world. The point is that most of the time the speed is not limited by the 4G/5G/lettersoup technology used. It is quite possible to create decent connections with LTE, if the connections between the base stations and the Internet are good. Very often they aren't, and if there is no fiber available, arranging the capacity is expensive.

5G helps in very congested situations where the 4G spectrum is fully used. But as even the higher LTE frequencies support very dense networks (small cell sizes), this is seldom the case. The most common problems are too sparse networks with too little capacity to the Internet. So, most probably the 5G speeds will drop as more and more devices will be in the 5G network.
 
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What I’m really interested in, is the power consumption of sub-6GHz 5G. If it’s similar to LTE power consumption, the battery life of the regular iPhone 12 could be pretty good. If sub-6 GHz 5G is more power demanding, we can see pretty bad battery life in smaller devices like the base 5,4” iPhone 6.

Only time will tell... In theory, a 5G modem should consume less power than an LTE modem, at least with higher data rates. Emphasis on "in theory", "should", "at least".

5G networks are power hogs, which is a problem for the operators (and climate), but the situation is different at the other end of the radio connection. (There are some relatively significant power-saving features in some protocols under the 5G umbrella, but they are not very relevant with mobile terminals.)
 
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I can’t wait until we get to a point where speed increase doesn’t mean anything and coverage areas are actually expanded. A fast network is cool but a fast network everywhere is even cooler.

I haven’t had signal improve since I switched to Verizon 8 years ago.
 
I tend to agree. Verizon LTE where I live is 50Mbps up/down, which is faster than the average American's home wifi.
If that is the case there are a lot of wap that ar in sore need of replacing. unless ofc the wifi is not te limiting factor, did you mean home internet connections (where the connection between the home and the isp is the limiting factor and not the wifi as your comment could indicate if taken literally) ? In any case wow americans are being screwed on internet speeds, here in Norway the offical statistics (by the norwegian bureau of statistics) (dec 2019 which is the most recent) says anb average of 150.3Mbps down (no upstream is provides) and a mean of 82.5Mbps. I know the us is big, and for the most part sparsely populated, but come on you guys invented the internet, and packet switching, and iirc where early which comercial isps. what happened? I'm not writing this to make fun of the us, sucky internet is not a joke in late 2020, I'm genuinely perplexed
 
Full disclosure, I only read about 75% of the article. So apologies if these points were addressed.

First, mmWave is supposed to have crazy fast latency numbers. This is a good thing.

Second, on the negative side, all the capacity in the world in the connection between the tower and phone don’t mean squat if the carriers aren’t significantly bumping up the backbone connection speeds at each and every tower.
 
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If that is the case there are a lot of wap that ar in sore need of replacing. unless ofc the wifi is not te limiting factor, did you mean home internet connections (where the connection between the home and the isp is the limiting factor and not the wifi as your comment could indicate if taken literally) ? In any case wow americans are being screwed on internet speeds, here in Norway the offical statistics (by the norwegian bureau of statistics) (dec 2019 which is the most recent) says anb average of 150.3Mbps down (no upstream is provides) and a mean of 82.5Mbps. I know the us is big, and for the most part sparsely populated, but come on you guys invented the internet, and packet switching, and iirc where early which comercial isps. what happened? I'm not writing this to make fun of the us, sucky internet is not a joke in late 2020, I'm genuinely perplexed

What does "WAP" mean?

The average American does not have great broadband internet speeds. I agree that you'd think we'd be higher compared to other countries, but we're really not. I, personally, have great internet speeds, but there are many corners of America where you can't get decent internet service.
 
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I don't mean to be a luddite, but I've never once thought that I needed something faster than LTE. I'd love to hear what use cases are out there.

There are a lot of business use cases apparently most of which I'm not familiar with even though I was in telecom for decades. Trade websites like Fiercewireless and Lightreading are always talking about those.
 
I tend to replace my iPhone every three years — I'm currently on an X, which works well for almost all my use cases. If I upgrade this cycle it'll be for other improvements, particularly the camera system in low light situations. 5G will be nice to have, but it's going to take at least a couple of years to sort out.
 
My floppy drive is plenty fast
My serial port is plenty fast
My SCSI port is blazing fast
My ZIP drive is plenty fast
My 300Mhz G3 chip is blazing fast
My 8X CD burner is plenty fast
My USB 2.0 port is plenty fast

Etc
Yea they do seem silly now, but context is everything, to the person that seaid each qoute it was probably true at the time it was said. Example the zip drive comment: what was the zip drive ment top replace/compete with? The 3.25in floppy drive IIRC and from what I've read it was esp if you needed to move files >1.38MB , which if the only thing you had was floppy disks, was rather tedious as you either had to use compression or utilities to split it into multiple smaller files (ok often this was combined in a single utility). The floppy comment is probably even older, when files were usually small )seen from today they were often preposterously small) so the floppies relatively low absolute transfer speed did not make a difference. But requirements change over time as usage patterns change.
 
Basically there is 0 need for mmWave now unless you plan to keep your phone for many years.
 
Historically, available bandwidth is soon matched by file sizes. The bigger the pipe that's built, the more crap that will be forced through it.
It's like a garage (most people's garage). No matter how big it is, it ends up getting filled w junk. Just like hard drives: build them bigger and people will fill them up with larger sized files.
Not very long ago, a 2GB hard drive was the standard BIG drive. Today, it's more like 2TB.
We may not need 5G now, but once the big fat pipe becomes ubiquitous, content providers will most assuredly fill it to the brim with larger files (less compression). The days of streaming 8K and 16K will eventually come. That right there will fill up the pipe, requiring faster download speeds
well I'm all for it, maybe just maybe then netflix et all could start streaming 4K at a somewhat equivalent bandwidth (assuming same codec) as UHD bluray, the thing thhey sell as 4k uhd now is at best ok at worts a bad joke, come on, if peering costs are the issue just adjust the price for 4k up a bit, I'll gladly peay a premium for a premium product, on that subject where ar the lossless audio codecs on streaming. No i'm not the kind of person that buys gold cables (gold connectors, yes there it makes sense due to no corrosion) but for the codoctor itself copper is superior duer to less resistance iirc. But I fear I'm in a slowly shrinking minority, as more and more people seem to watch (even big budget movies) on mobile devices with small screens and earbuds for sound oh well. To be perfecly clear, what people use to watch and listen to netflix content on is not a big deal to me, unless it moves the average so far down, that my setup (decently sized uhd hdr oled tv, pared with an nice receiver with support for all HD audio codecs (as far as I know), front speakers need an upgrade and atmos speakers are missing(upgrade planned)) have no chance of performing to its potential. And I'm not picking on netflix eiter, HBO nordic is a joke (ask anyone theat remembers the dark scenes in the final episode of GOT.
 
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A lot of people are going to get only moderately faster speeds than 4G and be disappointed.

If my job still looks secure later this year, I could see upgrading from the 11 to a new Pro model. Better camera (I miss the telephoto on the X). But it would have to have mmWave for at least a little futureproofing. And I don't want to go with the size of the Max. Been there, done that, with the 7+.

Of course, improvements in modems would make next years model more desirable. I wouldn't see mmWave where I live soon, but I may travel again in the future. Don't want to buy a flagship type phone again without it.
 
Don’t buy the iPhone for the 5G buy it for the phone itself
5G mmWave will take several years to get up to par where the extra speed makes a difference The big question is whether the carriers intend to update all their towers
Another Way of saying it is you’ll have 4G lite augmented by 5G
depending where you live

The iPhone 5 was the first LTE iPhone. But band support was pretty limited compared to the 5s. I suspect the first 5G iPhone will be similar.
 
Those of you who think LTE is perfectly fine must never go to a densely populated area. Ever go to a concert and your cellular signal is perfect but you can’t open a web page? That’s because LTE slows to a crawl when too many people are on the same network. mmWave should help in those situations.
 
3.) As an EE who has worked @ Qualcomm, I highly recommend anyone considering one of the iPhone 12 models to make sure you can Upgrade AFTER one year ! ... this will enable you to get a potentially much-improved, much-more-integrated 5G solution
This is too cryptic for me, sorry. Could you spell it out? Qualcomm's current modem is sub-par?
 
Isn't the verdict still out on the safety of 5G? I keep hearing conflicting, yet reliable reports, like the one below in Scientific American.
LTE is fast enough, and nothing justifies the increased risk of cancer.
Scientific American: We Have No Reason to Believe 5G Is Safe
Good article. I think there is more concern for people close to a 5G cell tower because of the greatly increased RF power involved compared to 5G smartphones. That is something that always comes up at meetings where the telecoms asking for permission to increase the number of 5G cell towers locally.
 
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