AhmedFaisal said:
I bet you lot would want execute a retarded person too if they commit an act like this, whether they can comprehend what they did or not. Its kind of not surprising that most of you lot come from Jesusland and are probably male....
Ahmed
[Sarcasm]That is why I move that we establish a worldwide atheistfemocracy![/Sarcasm]
I would be careful of attacking other's opinions, especially when you then make a remark about their sex and religion as a basis for their ignorance since you will be surprised by how close you're own thinking is in comparison to theirs. Since, many of the posts you cited are judgmental using the same criteria as you. Also, some of the posts you cited have valid arguments and/or statements that should not be dismissed as ignorance simply because you don't agree or understand them.
I find similarities between the sentiments of the 5th post:
apple2991 said:
And the 15th post:
chanoc said:
This woman sounds like she may have been a fundie Xian, just a theory. Anybody know?
Seem to share sentiments with your:
AhmedFaisal said:
]Its kind of not surprising that most of you lot come from Jesusland and are probably male....
Though I'm assuming that your problem with chanoc's post is:
chanoc said:
I think the proper punishment should be weekly canings of 100 lashes on her bare bottom.
Which, along with:
Backtothemac said:
Sorry, but I would say take her behind the house and shoot her in the head.
Seem to be first reactions to a shocking and horrific crime and that, overwhelmed with the emotion of the situation, have made hasty and emotional decisions. One might even argue that its a type of "temporary insanity" where one is placed in a situation where their normal rational mind is overwhelmed and they have posted solely on their emotions, similar (and note the use of "similar" and not something along the lines of "just as") to how PPD suppresses rational thought and creates an uncontrollable emotional impulse.
To condemn their messages as simply some sort of male, Christian stupidity seems to be using the same logic that you attacked for people not recognizing the cause and symptoms of PPD.
As for post 21, which is titled "I wonder...":
MongoTheGeek said:
How different the reactions would be if it were a serial killer/random psychopath?
One could chalk it up to the isolated suburban lifestyle. Back in the day there would be grandparents and other relatives around either on a family farm or in nearby houses for city dwellers.
As for punishment, execution would be a kindness.
I do not find MongoTheGeek's argument to be ignorance but a question posed to us for consideration. I do not know what MongoTheGeek's intention was when posting, but there is validity to his arguments and questions.
In regards to his question about "how different the reactions would be if it were a serial killer/random psychopath," I would speculate that the readers of this forum would have a much different opinion if the story was about a person who broke into a house at random and dismembered a child. I would wager that some who believed that the woman suffering for PPD should not be held responsible for her actions due to her mental illness, would find the person who broke into the house should be held accountable and punished.
Also, MongoTheGeek's critique of suburban society is a thought provoking thesis about how this could be possible and seems to hold truth since, your [AhmedFaisal] post about your cousin explained how she was suddenly overcame by PPD and that is was fortunate that her husband and her parents were able to recognize the signs and seek treatment for her. But as MondoTheGeek pointed out, many people live in an isolated lifestyle as suburban society emphasizes privacy and independence, especially since it is a very common practice for married couples to move away from their families in an attempt to start anew and tread new ground. I will not delve into all the possible reasons the husband might have missed the warning signs except to propose that stress or simple lack of acute perception kept him from recognizing them. Living in privacy, there is nobody to diagnose and recommend treatment for her.
And as for MongoTheGeek's sentiments that execution would be a kindness, again I refer to my argument earlier that the situation is emotionally overwhelming as well as noting that execution would, in fact, probably be a literal kindness to her as when she recovers, she will be afflicted with the guilt of knowing that she had brutally murdered her child.
As for rueyeet's post, I will simply say that it bears the same merits as MongoTheGeek's post in that it is proposing a thesis and analysis of rueyeet's take on the situation.
And as for the 24th post which was cited:
crazzyeddie said:
Don't you mean sew it shut, or something? Why just not go for the tying of the tubes...
I personally took it as crazzyeddie pointing out the preposterousness of "cutting off" the vagina, considering it is an internally kept organ, and then pointing out the more possible and definitely more humane punishment of tying her tubes, which I am unable to tell if crazzyeddie is personally endorsing or not, considering he ends his post with "..." which seems to indicate a trailing off of thought, sort of like the half minded correction of a shocking statement.
I am sorry for the rant, but I am sometimes touchy when people are insulted based on their Christianity due to the actions of a few fanatics. It has generally been my experience that many of those with a religious upbringing have a strong moral and ethical system that tempers their emotions and their reason, which I find as a refreshing restraint keeping one from falling into pure emotional or pure rational thought, both of which can lead to folly.
As for the bulk of your original post:
AhmedFaisal said:
Hello PPD is a disease, the woman was mentally ill due to screwed up hormone production after birth. She cannot be held responsible for her acts, tragic as they are. If anything her husband and her family should have realized something was off with her and sent her to a psychiatrist immediately. My cousin, a previously happy, energetic and healthy woman suffered from severe PPD after her child was born. Thank god her husband and her parents saw the warning signs and took her to a doctor before she could inflict damage on herself or her child. She had therapy sessions and took medication and was back to her old self more or less within a couple of months.
If you would have simply have posted this, your post would have been an excellent post that gives both your opinion and also facts of PPD and the complexity of the situation and the seriousness of the issue. It would have been informative and interesting reading that would have educated the readers of this forum and created awareness to the issue. For that part, I commend you. You should focus on the problem of PPD and what people can do about it. I would recommend that you post the symptoms for many of us here who do not familiar with PPD so that in case we do have a loved one, or even just an acquaintance who is suffering, we can help her seek the treatment she needs.
As for those people who I quoted and analyzed throughout my post (including AhmedFaisal), I apologize for any misrepresenting that I may have done and it was not my intent to attack, condemn, or insult any of you. My intentions were to expose that these issues are very emotional (and it is so quick and easy to type a reply before we've sat down and thought everything through), and that we should not be hasty to insult what others have to say or offer.
