Monitor pixelated after switch to Mac

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  1. Mais78 macrumors regular

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    Hi, my Dell U2412M looks awfully pixelated now that I use it with my Mac Mini 2014, while before on a Lenovo Laptop (T420S) was very scrisp.
    I connected the mini using minidisplayport to displayport.
    Any idea? Thanks
     
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    See if you can change the resolution in the displays preference panel.

    I have mine set to Best for Display, yours maybe set to scaled.
     
  3. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks, already tried that, setting is fine, running monitor at native resolution.
    Pictures look fine (eg the Yosemite default desktop wallpaper) but the rest is awful (text in safari, firefox, email, etc..). Is it possible that Windows and Mac render graphic in a different way? I fell like I went back to 1024*768 while my monitor is 1920*1200! Is this Apple making the case for a retina display?
     
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    Here are two screenshots, one from Mac Mini and the other from Windows Laptop, any idea why Windows is much crispier and how to match them?

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    edit: To remove personally identifying info not relevant to the conversation.
     
  6. newellj macrumors 601

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    You have a setting gone wrong on the computer or the monitor. I am using dual Dell u2410 (not your model, but close) and they are sharp enough to cut your fingers on. My best luck with weird problems like this has been with using Google to try to turn up people who've had the same problem.
     
  7. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Are you sure there is a setting gone wrong? Please read this article http://damieng.com/blog/2007/06/13/font-rendering-philosophies-of-windows-and-mac-os-x
    It seems Windows renders sharper text indeed. Retina seems a necessity on OS X, which is probably what Apple wants. I know sharpness of text depends also on the browser (which was my primary reason to ditch Explorer in favor of Firefox), but it is pixelated everywhere, not just in the browser.
    Could you take the same screenshot I took on your sharp dell u2410?
    Thanks
     
  8. newellj macrumors 601

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    They look great here. I am running these at 1920x1200. Here's the real acid test, though, from my perspective. I run these two monitors alternatively on this Mac and on a Windows machine. They look the same (great) with both machines. That's the reason I think there must be some setting on your machine or the monitor that's causing a problem. :confused:
     
  9. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I guess sharpness is subjective and you might have got used to Mac (lack) of sharpness. Found plenty of evidence on the net that the two systems render text very differently and that Windows twicks font size to match pixel sise (cleartype) and make it sharper. If you look here http://blog.codinghorror.com/whats-wrong-with-apples-font-rendering/ the screenshots are exactly like the one I posted. I would say to my eyes Cleartype accounts for half a Retina display :-D Anyway it is just the text, everything else it is as sharp on the two platforms.
     
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    You're wrong. Read my post again: the Mad and the Windows machine LOOK THE SAME, INCLUDING TEXT, on these two monitors.

    Did you notice that the page you linked to is from 2007 - seven years ago - and discusses Safari 3 for Windows, not Safari on a Mac? In other words, your link is completely irrelevant and horribly out of date.

    You can find plenty of evidence substantiating a flat earth on the internet, too, but that doesn't make it flat. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I am surprised they look they same to you, they clearly aren't. This is from last month http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/make-windows-fonts-look-like-mac-fonts/ nothing has changed since 2007, Windows is still using Cleartype while Apple honors font shape. Some people find font smoothing "beautiful", i find it "blurry". Personal preferences, but to a trained eye it is evident that the two look very different, maybe you sit very far away from your monitor.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to do.
    Isn't that link that you posted showing how to make Windows fonts appear like Mac fonts, on Windows?
    That seems to me to be the opposite of what you would like to see - Mac fonts to appear like Windows fonts, on OS X? You did say that the Mac fonts (with font smoothing) look blurry. Unless I misunderstood what you were saying, and you meant to say that you do like the blurry, correctly shaped fonts, compared to sharper, not always so accurate fonts in Windows (?)
     
  14. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    That article explains also the difference still existing in font rendering between the two platforms (negated by the other poster), that was my point. You understand well, i would like to do the opposite, make my os x fonts appear like in windows.
     
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    If you go to the onscreen menu of the Dell, Color Settings, Input Color Format, what is the setting? It should be RGB. If it is YPbPr, your monitor is being detected as a TV.
     
  16. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    It is RGB thanks, the monitor is fine, pictures still look great on it. The issue is with fonts. I did a lot of research on the web and it seems that it is the way mac renders fonts that is blurry vs Windows (which uses Cleartype technology), things seem to have got worse with Yosemite, there are a lot of people complaining on the Apple Support site. I guess I have to live with this :( until I get a Retina display, which is what Apple wants. Blurry fonts in non-retina to make retina shine.
     
  17. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040

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    ClearType is nothing more than Microsoft's branding for sub-pixel hinting of fonts. The same type of technology is present in OS X and desktop Linux (Freetype).

    You just favour Microsofts implementation (or you just haven't gotten used to Apple's).

    This is no great mystery....
     
  18. Mais78 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yeah, i guess i like MS implementation better. I am not alone though.
     
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    From how I understand it, is Apple historically has maintained font presentation on screen to match print.
    Microsoft instead optimizes the font for screen (which may appear slightly different in print).

    Apple's implementation sometimes does not match up in an optimized way for LCD pixel alignment.
     

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