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Monterey: More Trouble Than Big Sur?

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CallMeMurph

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I know it is still in beta, but with less than a month before its release, how different (from an app compatibility perspective) is it from Big Sur?

I am relatively new to the Mac ecosystem. I started using Mac at the beginning of Catalina so my history with Macs isn't very extensive, but it was a very painful jump for me from Catalina to Big Sur as compatibility is a nightmare for the work I do and I am still having audio issues with Big Sur.

For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable? I have been on other forums where developers say it is very hit or miss when trying to get support from Apple.

I just have hundreds of dollars in plugins that I don't want to lose access too.

Thanks!
 
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I've seen quite a bit of hit-or-miss things, plus some bugs last over several major versions. I find that Apple tends to change things pretty frequently, and offer little backwards compatibility. However, for big changes (eg dropping 32-bit support, 680X0 > PowerPC > Intel > Apple Silicon transitions (Yes, I'm old enough to have used 680X0 Macs 😛)), Apple has given developers over a year's notice, as well as SOME backwards compatibility. In such cases, developers hold some responsibility for updating their apps.
 
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I see. Then I think it would be a good idea for me to research companies that have a good track record of keeping up with Apple's changes before making purchases. Thanks so much for the input!
 
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Not a super long mac user (since 10.6.3) but from my experience, i had major bug/performance issues with 10.7, 10.10 and 10.15/11. The rest were ok

The buggy mess is probably more of a recent thing as they keep changing things dramatically and breaking older stuff
 
a few bugs, but that's always the case. monterey is doing really well here (as did big sur). remember, not everyone has the same experience.

i work mostly in logic & FCP. what app are you having issues with?
 
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fisherking said:
good thing you told us this on the monterey forum... 🤔
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The title is asking whether Monterey is more trouble than Big Sur, which is requesting peoples opinions considering the final release is not yet available. Thus the OP writing "For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable?"

I therefore provided my opinion about holding off on upgrading. I shared by opinion, on a public forum, which is what the forum is for, is it not?
 
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Ifti said:
The title is asking whether Monterey is more trouble than Big Sur, which is requesting peoples opinions considering the final release is not yet available. Thus the OP writing "For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable?"

I therefore provided my opinion about holding off on upgrading. I shared by opinion, on a public forum, which is what the forum is for, is it not?
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That might be true, but its a lot more desirable to hear from some that can compare the two. I myself have used both and Big Sur had its issues. Monterey even though its only beta 6 has gotten to the point that I can make reliable snapshots using CCC on a M1 iMac. But everyone here has a software investment, and so the comment about researching software providers history on how fast they verify their software is compatible with MacOS system updates is paramount IMHO. No one wants to buy any software from a developer that doesn't bother to fix bugs. 🙂
 
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Ifti said:
The title is asking whether Monterey is more trouble than Big Sur, which is requesting peoples opinions considering the final release is not yet available. Thus the OP writing "For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable?"

I therefore provided my opinion about holding off on upgrading. I shared by opinion, on a public forum, which is what the forum is for, is it not?
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if you're writing about your success on big sur, you should post that... on the big sur forum. it has no relevance here, as you can't compare it to the OS this forum is about.
 
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Ifty said: "The title is asking whether Monterey is more trouble than Big Sur, which is requesting peoples opinions considering the final release is not yet available. Thus the OP writing "For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable?"

There was a comparison being made between Monterey and Big Sur. Ifty gave his opinion about Big Sur. That was part of the question... Completely relevant, IMHO.
 
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Hombre53 said:
Ifty said: "The title is asking whether Monterey is more trouble than Big Sur, which is requesting peoples opinions considering the final release is not yet available. Thus the OP writing "For you Mac vets, is this normal? Are all MacOS releases this buggy and unreliable?"

There was a comparison being made between Monterey and Big Sur. Ifty gave his opinion about Big Sur. That was part of the question... Completely relevant, IMHO.
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but how can ifty compare it to monterey if he's not running it? sorry, mkes no sense...
 
Il used BigSur and was not satisfied, the OSX offered nothing new from Catalina.
this was installed on a intel powered macbook.

the promise of Big Sur was the ability to use ipad apps,which is not true.

my comment or concern is Monteray more interesting so far, and use ipad apps?

thank you In advance.
 
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ok; explain how.... (i& if i've missed something, i'll be happy to apologize)...
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not to take sides
but any info on Monterrey compared to Big Sur
is vital for those who are on the fence in purchasing a Mi Macbook.
for some BigSur is not worth the investment not because the OSX is faulty
the OSX does not offer a worthy reason to buy those M1s
 
MBAir2010 said:
not to take sides
but any info on Monterrey compared to Big Sur
is vital for those who are on the fence in purchasing a Mi Macbook.
for some BigSur is not worth the investment not because the OSX is faulty
the OSX does not offer a worthy reason to buy those M1s
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and i have no idea what this means, either. for some, any version of the mac os is a 'fail'... just explore these forums.

yet, the world survived big sur, and will survive monterey. and while people (like you and me) argue minute details on the forums, most macusers in the 'real world' will just use their macs, and get on with their day.

big sur was fine for me in everything i did, and monterey is getting there too (no real issues on the current beta, actually).

but someone who hasn't used monterey cannot compare it to any previous os. it's like someone saying they don't like apples. 'have you ever had one?' 'no, why would i? i don't like them'....
 
CallMeMurph said:
I know it is still in beta, but with less than a month before its release, how different (from an app compatibility perspective) is it from Big Sur?
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Not very much. Most apps continue to run as before. There are some exceptions - you need to research the apps important to you. To help there is a thread about this.

The above is because the 'under the hood' changes in Monterey are very small. Think of Monterey as just Bigger Sur (and arguably Better Sur)

The change from Catlina to BS was much bigger with, in the application space, Apple introducing new restrictions and enforcing previously announced restrictions. The underlying operating system structure saw significant (you could say major) changes - e.g. the sealed system volume and architectural changes needed for M1 Macs.

So, I would say, much less trouble than Big Sur.
 
I used to be excited about new mac OS releases. But now I'm staying camped out on Mojave.
The new mac os direction is to take away features in the name of 'simplification' and lock down the system in the name of 'security'.
Ah I miss the good old days ....
 
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Nicole1980 said:
I used to be excited about new mac OS releases. But now I'm staying camped out on Mojave.
The new mac os direction is to take away features in the name of 'simplification' and lock down the system in the name of 'security'.
Ah I miss the good old days ....
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yes, security is a terrible thing...

really, you can do all the same things on monterey that you do on mojave... and then some. no one is making your life more 'complex'; having new options doesn't mean you have to embrace them.

but the 'security' thing; what's your point? in 2021, you'd prefer less security? 😳
 
Nicole1980 said:
I used to be excited about new mac OS releases. But now I'm staying camped out on Mojave.
The new mac os direction is to take away features in the name of 'simplification' and lock down the system in the name of 'security'.
Ah I miss the good old days ....
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I hear you loud and clear!
I tried the last 2 OSX and Mojave seems the best without hassles or reinventing the wheel.
and the desert mountain screen saver is great!
 
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fisherking said:
yes, security is a terrible thing...

really, you can do all the same things on monterey that you do on mojave... and then some. no one is making your life more 'complex'; having new options doesn't mean you have to embrace them.

but the 'security' thing; what's your point? in 2021, you'd prefer less security? 😳
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Locked down system thats harder to tweak and use with certain programs (carbon copy cloner no longer able to make bootable copies, etc) I'd rather get a 3rd party soyware or anti virus program of my choosing if I became all freaked out about soneone invading my home computer.

I never needed mandatory 'baby gates' around my computer for 3 decades and dont want them now.
 
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Locked down system thats harder to tweak and use with certain programs (carbon copy cloner no longer able to make bootable copies, etc) I'd rather get a 3rd party soyware or anti virus program of my choosing if I became all freaked out about soneone invading my home computer.

I never needed mandatory 'baby gates' around my computer for 3 decades and dont want them now.
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you lose new features, code improvements, icloud options, enhancements, built-in security. and so on. but if you're happy where you are... enjoy it. one thing, tho: you want security before your mac gets 'invaded', not after.

now back to monterey. here's the mojave forum, where you'd want to hang out: mojave, then & now
 
i just read that my G-5 iPad can't "Universal something" with Monterey
that could be a stylus-pen issues which i don't need or use
(i draw my comics by index finger for better results)


everything else i read about Monterey is geared for those who love open circles
whereas i need to left alone.

what monterrey needs (and iOS15) is the ability to title videos and photos like windows 10 does.
this feature helps me when we need to find old photos from a website
so we know which ones were used already, ex: instead of img2929 were Microsoft reads landscape1L.jpg.

anyways
i hope this OS serves everyone well and who know i might be using this down the road.
 
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