I think almost every product is on pause at this point due to the Siri debacle.
Adding more people doesn’t make most things faster. Many things are not parallelable.
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I think almost every product is on pause at this point due to the Siri debacle.
Adding more people doesn’t make most things faster. Many things are not parallelable.
PixelPanics
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Nope... R&D continues for the next AVP version.
sherwinzadeh
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sherwinzadeh
macrumors 6502
After 3 years all we're getting is a chip upgrade and a new color.
turbineseaplane
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Is that a rumor or has continued rather than suspended R&D been confirmed recently by a reliable source?
Nothing is a surer sign of grasping at straws than re-releasing it with no other updates than a new colour.
I'm sure apple spent buckets of money on market research into why this is a flop, and the best they could come up with is a new colour
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y'know, i always assumed it was a tie in with sony trinitron who made the screens; who at the time were THE TVs to have.
Probably prototypes that will probably never make it to market. If ever a newer version of Vision Pro launches, it will likely have minimal changes and should retain the white color.
Not really as the article was quite definitive worded. Is it also a rumor when MacRumors titles: "Apple releases macOS 26.5" or similiar?
The exact headline was: "Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop"
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Engineering: We have no new technological innovation.
Marketing: Can we make new colors?
Marketing: Can we make new colors?
MrWayne
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A couple fallacies here.
A mainstream person's day is spent sometimes socializing, sometimes doing things alone (regardless if other people are in their vicinity or not). There are many mainstream products, including made by Apple, that are meant to be used during those alone times. Any personal device, whether a phone or tablet or computer or headphones, isolates a person away from others in their vicinity, because that's what a personal device does by definition. It requires your attention, and others often can't see/hear what you're doing (because they aren't meant to). That's why it's considered rude to be using those devices in a social situation where you are expected to show attention and not exclude others.
Sunglasses isolate as well, but only because it's more difficult for others to know where your attention is. That's why it's considered rude to wear them in indoor social situations.
In terms of social acceptance (as opposed to individual acceptance), the only difference with the VP from all these other products is merely that it's novel and more noticeable to others. It's not a qualitative difference. The VP covering eyes is comparable to headphones covering or plugging ears. It's not acceptable in socializing situations, but it's acceptable during "alone" time. As Steve Jobs said, a headset is the "headphones for the eyes". And like headphones and all personal devices, it has a time and place to be used. If covering eyes is qualitatively different than covering ears, then why are dark sunglasses socially acceptable? If it's about the wearer's perception, then it's not about social acceptance, but rather individual acceptance. But I don't know of any first principle that says the UX can't be engineered to an acceptable level for the mainstream person.
What will determine the future of the VP, just like any product, is how useful people find it and how good the UX is versus the cost both in terms of money and comfort. Social acceptance is also a cost but only until it isn't, like phablets. But there is no principle that says it will never earn social acceptance.
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This was confirmed invalid within a day or two of that post by internal Apple contacts.
I don’t even think the Vision Pro is a good product currently but the rumors around it have really never been very accurate, outside of the production and sales targets.
We’ll see in 10 days what if anything was invested into the next VisionOS - I expect it will be a slow year regardless.
Ternus may still kill the line, but I think one more swing will probably happen.
MrWayne
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Have you tried working and being in AR? Have you tried multitasking? It blows the iPad and iPhone out of the water. Nothing can compare. It is the future.
If it was half the weight I've have gotten one at launch. I have extensive VR experience yes.
I do not think it's the future but I do think it can be compelling. Spatial computing and especially ambient computing are, IMO, the 'consumer' future. Apple is not wrong to invest in this area I just think the product itself is bad relative to Apple standards and shouldn't have launched when it did.
I have no doubt the ATG within Apple is doing interesting things that will pay dividends.
For professional computing no I do not want to spend all day in a headset, even if it's light. Maybe for short focused sessions but not in an ongoing way. I even find at times multi monitors actually can detract from deep focused workflow, and I have been working as a a researcher intensively for about 8-18 hours a day the past few months on a single Studio Display.
I may add another one at some point but I don't feel hamstrung. I have had multi monitor setups or larger screens before too. There's something to be said for the direct and sustained focus on a single space but it is qualitatively different and not for all use cases; e.g. I don't spend any time at all in Teams and rarely any in email (thank God) so there isn't a need for me to have the second screen communication apps open. Finance is another area where it matters a lot to have charts etc. visible but I don't micro manage or day trade anymore.
My Linux Workstation PC has a 38" ultra wide and that is more than enough. I do lament Apple killing the 32" form factor.
MrWayne
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That´s interesting! I want to know if you are a paper person? Do you mostly like real physical paper (writing and reading)?
sherwinzadeh
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This is a little off topic but I’ll answer it because it’s a good question.
Actually, I’m not - I like notebooks but I never use them religiously unless I’m working with a client on-site which does not happen much at the moment.
For the rapid-fire prototyping I’ve been doing I’ve resorted to something ridiculous: screenshots and OCR search as well as a really thorough AI-assisted documentation system where I can keep records and summaries and then grep over hundreds of documents later to revisit what I’ve done.
I love the idea of slowly methodically keeping a lab notebook but the tooling speed at the moment kind of precludes it. That said, I could see a good argument for doing so in order to slow down and really think through problems.
This is only my process though, I’ve perpetually struggled with PKM systems - I used org-mode in emacs for 4 years when I was managing a research department but even that I didn’t use properly, I basically kept a long running list every day in one giant file and moved up the items that didn’t get done from yesterday to today (or friday to monday, etc.) It worked surprisingly well even without using all the org-mode flair and prioritization stuff. Tasks were enough.
Now I have multiple agents keeping tasks on my behalf and I have some overarching research documentation in markdown files that I revise and iterate on, including append-only logs and retraction logs.
All the tooling is great but it is kind of …a lot. Most of this a Vision Pro would not really help with, but I am still in the market for one eventually if they make it lighter even if mostly for media and novelty.
I absolutely can see a future where ambient computing with extremely good AI assistance can do a lot of what I’m doing, if it can internally track all the complexity and kind of abstract it away from me. But consumer stuff I don’t think will ever get there. Anthropic briefly allowed you to use full voice interaction with their best models and that was an incredibly productive time for me because I was able to rubber-duck and brainstorm freeform while walking around and I found that very valuable, to the point where I might eventually code my own version of it if they never reintroduce it. The prosidy they were using (which I’ve since learned was actually farmed-out) was incredible, the voice could even do imitations.
We’re really only on the cusp of what’s possible, and I’m not a blind AI booster either - there are a ton of issues - but there is also a lot of significant potential and a spatial computer / vision pro descendant could absolutely be a part of that world.