More All-Black Vision Pro Prototype Parts Surface Online

[rezwits]

Such a hilariously failed product. It was the first time apple's marketing dept literally thought everybody was a tech worker making 500k/year just like them and could totally afford a 3499 headset toy

I’m going to go out on a polite limb and say that Vision Pro is essentially dead. Yes, Apple can pop in a new processor at I’m sure very little cost compared to what was already sunk into this thing, but it’s certainly dead. A neat experiment and nothing more.

I don't understand how when Apple makes a product with a 250K-ish quantity print run, and another 200K-ish quantity print run, that when they have enough people to snag one or grab one depending on your viewpoint; That if YOU didn't get one or even if YOU did, it's a failed product or it's doomed. I mean holy CRAP, do you understand how small a print run of 500K is? I mean there are practically 100,000 billionaires in the world /s

But no serious, I mean it's like some guy who works at the Apple Campus Cafeteria makes a new sandwich, and guys on here are like "That's a failed product" as the dude (mac employee) literally eats half of it with him and is friend, and says "not bad." But guys on here are like "Failed Product"

I just pray Apple doesn't flat out STOP releasing DEV products to the public. This would have SUCKED if it was like the MacMini with A12 Developer Unit, that you HAD TO RETURN.

I am thrilled I get to spend $4000 and KEEP IT! And can spend 3 years working on Apps because the thing most people don't know is that even if it's with Apple/Swift/Xcode+AI, it's a pain in the rear to make AR/XR/VR apps. Logistics etc, and it's not fun because YES you have to put it on take it off etc...

But man, you guys can't even do math, because OMG the thing is GORGEOUS, and works so smooth...

8 Billion people, 2 billion Apple Devices, 500,000-ish AVP, 4 devices per Apple Person, 500,000,000 million Apple Users, 1 out of every 1,000 Apple Users. That's pretty decent...

FFS, don't ruin it for the rest of us ok Ungrateful P.S. I don't want DEV purchases!

 

[FasterQuieter]

Black eh? Could this be the fabled Vision Pro Pro?

 

[johnsawyercjs]

Such a hilariously failed product. It was the first time apple's marketing dept literally thought everybody was a tech worker making 500k/year just like them and could totally afford a 3499 headset toy

Apple never claimed the AVP was intended to be a mass-market product for everyone. They've said the opposite. Cook has said a number of times that it's a cutting edge device for high-end users, developers, and other people with the money to try new technology before it's fully fleshed out.

I think Apple also recognized that the price they'd have to charge for the first versions, so they could recoup development and manufacturing costs instead of being a loss leader like the Quest headsets, was going to be so high anyway that this alone would put it beyond the reach or interest of most people, and so they didn't feel constrained in throwing as much technology into it as they could.

 

[Happy_John]

??? So Apple played with different colours for the Vision Pro before releasing it in its trademark silver aluminium? Shock

Because that’s all this tells us.

 

[Happy_John]

I’m going to go out on a polite limb and say that Vision Pro is essentially dead. Yes, Apple can pop in a new processor at I’m sure very little cost compared to what was already sunk into this thing, but it’s certainly dead. A neat experiment and nothing more.

The Vision Pro may be. But I’d expect the idea of a Vision product rangę is far from dead (although it might get a rebranding), and, probably more importantly, the technologies coming out of the Vision Pro R & D will be integrated in a lot of, and probably most, other Apple product lines - expect gesture recognition and gesture controls turning up in AirPods, Apple TV, HomePods, Watches, as part of FaceTime etc…

Apple would be absolutely crazy not to try to leverage the R&D they’ve already done and paid for.

 

[257Loner]

Lighter.
Cheaper.
Games.

 

[Jensend]

yes it will take time for all this converge, but it will for sure. I see variations or limits using the same Vision OS.

I don't see that convergence happening any time in the next 20 years. I don't see VisionOS running on a device that could be mistaken for normal glasses while maintaining or surpassing most of the capabilities of the original Vision Pro.

 

[Sami13496]

This new color changes everything. Now they’re going to fly off the shelves. True innovation.

 

[bLackjackj]

It's awesome tech, but really more of a glimpse 5 years away rather than now.

Is that your vision? That’s certainly not how Tim tried to sell it to the world when first announced. He sold it as the next big gadget for the everyday consumer. Go back and watch all the interviews he did. When he realised it was a failure and not selling, the comms suddenly changed from Apple.

 

[lilkwarrior]

Would’ve bought the black version so my AVP doesn’t look dirty when it’s collecting dust

Sounds like a personal problem with your limited use of a prosumer-class hardware that isn’t intended for most with a price that necessities someone had a clear mental model
of use cases like most prosumer profits before electing to buy it.

Maybe this article will enlighten you about the usual people who actually do unlike yourself: https://www.theverge.com/tech/820416/vr-xr-headsets-vision-pro-galaxy-xr-steam-frame-enterprise

The Vision Pro has been even used for medical surgeries and on-the-go private computing in environments it obviously cannot collect dust

 

[lilkwarrior]

Is that your vision? That’s certainly not how Tim tried to sell it to the world when first announced. He sold it as the next big gadget for the everyday consumer. Go back and watch all the interviews he did. When he realised it was a failure and not selling, the comms suddenly changed from Apple.

That did not happen with him talking about the computing platform and the Vision Pro being a “years to come” product in execution that’s more tied to their prosumer products like the Pro Display XDR and Mac Pro since the very first PR release for it:

Introducing Apple Vision Pro: Apple’s first spatial computer

Apple today unveiled Apple Vision Pro, a revolutionary spatial computer that seamlessly blends digital content with the physical world.

www.apple.com

Saying the Vision Pro is for everyday people is like saying the Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, and iPhone Pro are for everyday people: That’s BS.

A non-Pro Vision headset if they elect to make a non-prosumer headset would be for everyday people.

They can just leave headsets for prosumers which makes sense since people have unrealistic expectations of what that is for an inherently expensive and exclusionary form factor whose quality baselines is far above what’s affordable and practical for lost on everyday computing platforms today (90hz, way higher PPI needed for reasonable PPD that contributes to the high price of headsets normies don’t understand).

Mainstream glasses makes sense for everyday people in addition to prosumer glasses they’ll also scoff at the price of

 

[svish]

Good to see these prototypes. Maybe eventually Apple will have a different colored Vision headset but that definitely won't be happening in the near future.

 

[urtules]

I have bought M5 recently. I use it instead of a monitor, to watch Disney+ and Netflix when kids use TV, play my PS5 games which I can’t play around young kids. It’s also best comics reading device I ever owned.

I also find myself playing games on my Mac, it’s not like VR experience, but it’s closer VR than playing of computer monitor. I’m playing through Half-Life and Firewatch.

 

[radus]

The M5 AVP is my best buy so far, use it as a monitor and standalone for work, for movies and to surf the internet. I am able to concentrate and doing my work in less time because nothing distracts me and there is no better monitor for the Mac ( the Pro Display XDR is now in the basement …).

I wish it had proper mouse support with disabled eye-tracking when used.

 

[gimmesomemo]

Can't innovate anymore, my ass!

 

[smaffei]

Besides being prohibitively expensive, Vision Pro can't be used "out of the box" by the 48% of the population that wears prescription eyeglasses. I think that is its biggest fail.

 

[Brenster]

Besides being prohibitively expensive, Vision Pro can't be used "out of the box" by the 48% of the population that wears prescription eyeglasses. I think that is its biggest fail.

Exactly. Tried an in-store demo on the first day of UK availability with my prescription glasses and was blown away, particularly with the movie watching experience.

Returned to the same store a month or two later with a view to buy. The machine that had read my glasses prescription just fine on day one refused to that day. Nor could it read an alternate pair I’d brought with me. And neither could the machine in another Apple Store the next city over. Apple do not store any records of the glasses reading machines results, citing data protection. I’ve since given up trying pending a next gen or Air type product.

The individual specific click-in lenses is a fine idea in theory and a problematic one in practice. Whilst I could order online and upload my prescription to Zeiss’ website, the two orders coming seperately risks being outside the returns window should anything be amiss or Zeiss being late supplying the lenses seperately to Apple supplying the headset.

Accepting the plural of anecdote is not data, this is from someone actively trying to buy an AVP and not reliably or easily being able to.

 

[Kidseeghost]

People will see this and every other evidence and tell you the Vision Pro did not flop and everything went according to plan. Since the keynote I told people VP is not it. It will flop. I had a feeling that this product will not succeed based on what the target user was in the keynote and all the gimmicks they created to sell it. The everyday user. If this was a Studio display alternative at the same price as the display without the gimmick screen, working while connected to a mac/Apple TV and was marketed towards Mac users it would have been more successful.

 

[Kidseeghost]

Looks nicer, still wouldn't buy. Are developers even still developing for this product? Not shading, just really curious.feel like it would be a loss maker and not worth the time or investment

I don’t think developers are still developing for this thing. Costumers abandoned it so developers have no reason to put resources into making Apps. I don’t thing anything major launched for it. Even Apple didn’t do mich content for it and even Apple store employees abandoned it unofficially. It doesn’t sell. Its like the HomePod but at a old used car price.

 

[Kidseeghost]

Apple’s roadmap for Vision Pro has changed from what I heard from rumor mill.

What was supposed to be “Vision Air” is now going to be next gen Vision Pro. The AI powered AR glasses is what is going to be the Vision Air, because it won’t require bulky hardware but thin as regular glasses.

Jony Ive told them they should wait for the glasses and Tim gave him the boot. Also which AI? Apple doesn’t have anything besides gimmicks like genmoji as of right now.

 

[Kidseeghost]

Yes, just about to. However, if I was a consumer, I wouldn't buy it, unless you want the virtual display or cinema experience. It's awesome tech, but really more of a glimpse 5 years away rather than now.

Even as a Display for watching movies its too expensive and you need more VPs if you want to watch something with friends. The device is too isolating for humas who are a social species.

 

[Kidseeghost]

It’s nice that Meta is forcing Apple to go faster.

Meta abandoned VR too. But also you could tell the glasses were almost ready but because there was not competition yet Apple held them back and wanted to drip feed features over multiple years.

 

[Kidseeghost]

I would have rather had Apple abandon the Vision Pro and continued working on an Apple Car. Xiaomi just came out with an electric car that blows away anything Tesla has come out with and for less $$. It truly is a smartphone with wheels. I think if Steve was still alive & Johnny Ive still worked for Apple, they’d have come up with the most amazing EV imaginable. It could have been the best EV on the market. And a real hit. Much more so than the Vision Pro which will always be a niche product. Hopefully Apple will return to developing an EV again in the future. Perhaps when solid state batteries with a 500-1,000 mile range and 15 minute charge time are a reality. ⚡️ 🚗 ⚡️

They should have went with the car. People already use cars, they are familiar with them and there is a big market for it. Easier to sell than a VR headset with no use cases and market. I have a suspicion Tim went with VP not because he thinks its a good product but because of margins. And that sums up Apples problem in the last years. Not focusing on good products but margins.

 

[Kidseeghost]

Apple never claimed the AVP was intended to be a mass-market product for everyone.

Yes they did. Just re watch the keynote.

 

[Happy_John]

I would have rather had Apple abandon the Vision Pro and continued working on an Apple Car. Xiaomi just came out with an electric car that blows away anything Tesla has come out with and for less $$. It truly is a smartphone with wheels. I think if Steve was still alive & Johnny Ive still worked for Apple, they’d have come up with the most amazing EV imaginable. It could have been the best EV on the market. And a real hit. Much more so than the Vision Pro which will always be a niche product. Hopefully Apple will return to developing an EV again in the future. Perhaps when solid state batteries with a 500-1,000 mile range and 15 minute charge time are a reality. ⚡️ 🚗 ⚡️

I'd imagine they dropped the car because they realized that they couldn't compete, and releasing a "less than ideal" EVrwould be far more damaging than not releasing any Apple Car at all.

They haven't been the "David" (David and Goliath) in the tech world for a very long time. They would be the "David" in the car world. Chinese companies are overtaking Tesla at this point, and Apple would have been starting far behind Tesla.

A car isn't just a "smartphone on wheels" - the actual car part, the vehicle itself, is not something Apple had experience with, so they would have had to lock in a solid, long-term co-operation deal with a partner who already knew what they were doing when designing and building a car. They didn't, and probably couldn't. Cars have to be safe and roadworthy. Apple would be great at interfaces and extra comfort features in the car but, realistically, if your Mac or iPhone fails or malfunctions due to a design quirk, it won't kill you. An over-engineered, "too smart for its own good" car might well kill you or someone else on the road, if it were to malfunction. And Apple loves to over-engineer products, often just for the sake of over-engineering them.

In an ideal world, an Apple car would be "it just works" and a game-changer for (luxury) car design. But the opposite might have happened - if the Apple Car had ended up like the Tesla Cybertruck (over-engineered but badly implemented - because of "steer-by-wire", it cannot even be legally driven in many countries), it would have been a disaster for Apple on a completely different scale than the negative mutterings about the less than impressive sales and consumer reaction to the Vision Pro, Apple Intelligence or the iPhone Air.

As it is, what we know about the whole "Titan" car project is that they were working on a "whole car" OS - which can be see in CarPlay Ultra, and I think a lot of the sensors, cameras and environmental processing / situational awareness in the Vision Pro quite probably came from the "Titan" R&D. But they had very little development of the actual "car" component of the car.