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Apple is losing it. I have gone over to Amazon MP3's. This upgrade crap is ridiculous.

I bet that it's the labels who insist on it. And by using Amazon, yu are helping the labels. They saw that iTunes was becoming "too popular" for their liking, so they decided to cripple it, by giving other stores better deals than they gave to iTunes (for example, no DRM).

Because I supported iTunes from the beginning, I get to fork over more money? F'n ridiculous. But I guess that's how Apple treats it's customers.

Go whine to the labels, not Apple. And there IS extra cost involved for Apple as well. I mean, you are re-downloading all those tacks, and that means bandwidth being used.
 
Who cares?

I like the Beatles music and bought the tracks when I was a teen (30 years ago). When I consider the right to make my own tapes from music I bought and extend that to the right to make digital copies of music I paid for, I have no wish to pay again.

If I want to listen to a track that I paid for in the past, I will not pay again but will download it for free off someone else. Screw the greedy money grubbing Beatles.
 
The Beatles are a bunch of nasty greedy pricks. Can we please stop wasting bandwidth on them???
 
Ok, so this is a tangent, but it might be of interest to some. At any rate, it's pretty cool! I'm a big fan of G-Stone Records, the Austrian label run by Richard Dorfmeister (of Tosca fame). I recently checked out their site and it led me to the Austrian shop/distributor Soul Seduction. I've ordered CDs from them before, but it's been about two years or so.

At any rate, imagine my surprise to discover that much of the music on their site is now available in DRM-Free WAVE format for download. Low and High quality MP3 files are also available. Since a lot of the G-Stone releases are only available on CD as imports (in the US), this is an even better option. Sweet!

If you're interested, check out www.soulseduction.com.
 
At any rate, imagine my surprise to discover that much of the music on their site is now available in DRM-Free WAVE format for download.

That's just stupid. They could offer them in lossless encodes (like FLAC). The sound-quality would be identical, but the size of the files would be a lot smaller.
 
Oh why are the Yanks (Macrumors - yet another spelling mistake) so bitter and twisted jealous of Brit music, Brit anything?

This isn't about "being jealous" about Beatles. It's about the fact that the rumour of Beatles in iTunes has been around for so long that most people simply don't care anymore.
 
I'm a boomer and I certainly love the Beatles--always have and always will. But this really is silly--and I tend to agree with those who are to the point of saying "who cares" With each new rumor, my respect for Paul sinks a little bit lower as I just don't feel he has much interest in supporting Beatles fans--nor his other three band members and their families.
 
I'm a boomer and I certainly love the Beatles--always have and always will. But this really is silly--and I tend to agree with those who are to the point of saying "who cares" With each new rumor, my respect for Paul sinks a little bit lower as I just don't feel he has much interest in supporting Beatles fans--nor his other three band members and their families.


I believe that control of the Beatles music is NOT in Paul's hands. I think the last person to control that library was Michael Jackson and who bought him out for rights I don't know and am too lazy to find out. I am fairly sure that the "Beatles" do not own the rights to their own music anymore.
 
I bet that it's the labels who insist on it. And by using Amazon, yu are helping the labels. They saw that iTunes was becoming "too popular" for their liking, so they decided to cripple it, by giving other stores better deals than they gave to iTunes (for example, no DRM).

...

Go whine to the labels, not Apple. And there IS extra cost involved for Apple as well. I mean, you are re-downloading all those tacks, and that means bandwidth being used.
Put down the glass and step away from the :apple:-Aid. Yours is incredibly strong.

Buying music cheaper at Amazon is helping me save money.
 
Put down the glass and step away from the :apple:-Aid. Yours is incredibly strong.

If you knew me or have read my posts, you would know that I'm anything but an Apple-fanboy. I use their products because I like them, but I'm not fanatic about it.

Buying music cheaper at Amazon is helping me save money.

In the short-run, perhaps. But that does not change the fact that you are witnessing strong-arm tactics from the labels, and you are supporting that behavior. The reason why Amazon is cheaper and DRM-free, is because labels jointly decided to cripple iTunes Store. They can't afford to boycott ITMS, but the can favour it's competitors.

Divide and conquer.
 
Are to any plans to actually make iTunes Plus songs have actual CD-quality, of 320 kbps? I recently rebuilt many of my playlists with much higher quality cuts of the same songs, and, with a good pair of headphones, the improved quality is amazing. It's amazing all the things that you miss when stuck with crappy 128/256 kbps.
 
Are to any plans to actually make iTunes Plus songs have actual CD-quality, of 320 kbps? I recently rebuilt many of my playlists with much higher quality cuts of the same songs, and, with a good pair of headphones, the improved quality is amazing. It's amazing all the things that you miss when stuck with crappy 128/256 kbps.

If you want CD-quality, you need lossless encoding. 320kbps is not it.
 
I'm hoping that within the next few years Apple will see it fit to offer music in Apple Lossless format at iTMS, especially now that broadband speeds are increasing and hard disk storage is so dirt cheap. :)

That will only happen when

- More of America has broadband than it does now - there seem to still be a lot of people struggling on dial-up,

- When ISP's stop throttling usage.

But yes, eventually I don't see why not.:)
 
If you knew me or have read my posts, you would know that I'm anything but an Apple-fanboy. I use their products because I like them, but I'm not fanatic about it.



In the short-run, perhaps. But that does not change the fact that you are witnessing strong-arm tactics from the labels, and you are supporting that behavior. The reason why Amazon is cheaper and DRM-free, is because labels jointly decided to cripple iTunes Store. They can't afford to boycott ITMS, but the can favour it's competitors.

Divide and conquer.
Divide and conquer who? Cripple iTunes and then what? Certainly you don't mean leverage for higher prices. I don't usually say these things but the era of high profit margins is over for the record industry. If they want a market to milk let them bother the vinyl crowd. The digital audience expects $10 for an album, $1 for a single or they'll just go get it for free.
 
really...256 is crappy? you one of those people that can hear the difference between a $3k wire and a regular radio shack one? you buy Grados, Denons, Beyers, AT, Denons, or whatever flavor du jour cans? do you use phrases like PRaT, toe-tapping, warmth, soundstage etc... in your daily vocabulary? :D

a 256 rip from a quality recording should sound exemplary, a 192 rip should sound pretty good, a 128-160 rip should sound decent.

here's the catch, we are all assuming these artists are using top notch instruments, badass recording hardware and superb sound engineers. i'm going to assume that the recording industry, like every industry there is, can't use top shelf gear for everyone. just ain't possible.

of course some independant ones have their own gear so i can't attest to the quality coming from them.

so chances are your pet artist probably strolled into a Warner/Sony/Universal studio, strummed an ok guitar, that was connected to a decent amp, which was recorded in an so-so sound room, armed with last years gear and proofed by some dude that produces mediocre work. then somewhere along the analog-to-digital process the music probably lost some of that dynamic warmness that LP lovers moan about.

if a 256 rip from that sounds "horrible" to the golden eared audiogeeks out there, then chances are the lossless rip isn't going to turn your tunes into sunshine and rainbows.

Are to any plans to actually make iTunes Plus songs have actual CD-quality, of 320 kbps? I recently rebuilt many of my playlists with much higher quality cuts of the same songs, and, with a good pair of headphones, the improved quality is amazing. It's amazing all the things that you miss when stuck with crappy 128/256 kbps.
 
Divide and conquer who?

Online-retailers and users.

Cripple iTunes and then what? Certainly you don't mean leverage for higher prices.

Labels were afraid that Apple gets too muc power over them, since ITMS was getting so popular. So they went ahead that started favouring other stores at ITMS expence. End-result is that Amazon and others get cheaper tracks with no DRM, while Apple does not. This has been documented.

I don't usually say these things but the era of high profit margins is over for the record industry. If they want a market to milk let them bother the vinyl crowd. The digital audience expects $10 for an album, $1 for a single or they'll just go get it for free.

The labels are afraid that they hand too much power to Apple. That's why they want to cripple it.
 
I believe that control of the Beatles music is NOT in Paul's hands. I think the last person to control that library was Michael Jackson and who bought him out for rights I don't know and am too lazy to find out. I am fairly sure that the "Beatles" do not own the rights to their own music anymore.

I thought they were back in Paul's hands now since MJ was in need of a little cash a few years ago--but I could be wrong on that.

Still, I guess my somewhat misguided point to my original post was that I just have not been very happy with Paul's treatment of the other 3 Beatles and their families--but that is just a personal opinion on my part.
 
flac

I have 96KHz/24Bit FLAC vinyl rips of the Beatles' albums. 128kbps AAC can suck my balls
 
That will only happen when....

- When ISP's stop throttling usage.

Yes, that could be a problem because a music CD that stores about 650 MB of data (74 minutes of music) is compressed to about 260 MB in size under Apple Lossless or FLAC formats. Under MP3 or AAC 256 kbps VBR formats, the reduction in size is from 650 MB to around 68-75 MB, which has a lot less issues for ISP's imposing monthly download limits.
 
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