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Everyone I have worked with (BBC, Pinewood etc) knows what Final Cut Pro/Studio is and most directors I've met can use it, but none of them knew of NAB or the Supermeet. It's just us tech geeks (or anyone who has a geeks job for a living) that live on the bleeding edge who know these things.

Yeah, right. I don't know of anyone that is a paid FCP user, or a producer whose editors use FCP or a writer for producers whose editors use FCP that doesn't know of FCP X. They may not read the forums, but they know about it and about the NAB debacle.
 
Just a little reality check...

Have you worked with Premiere Pro CS5 or CS5.5 lately? Premiere Pro has been 64bit, Grand Central Dispatch, and native tapeless for two versions now. Everyone that's tried it admits that it's the fastest, best performing NLE out there. We'll see if FCPX can match the performance of the fire breathing monster that Premiere Pro has become.
Does the installer suck as badly as the one for CS5 Design Suite? That managed to install all the apps with the wrong permissions so that they cannot be updated and much of the functionality is unavailable.

Given that CS5 was released last year and I only bought it in April, one year later, this isn't too reassuring of QC.
 
I like and use Adobe products, but this thread feels like I'm at an Adobe forum. It seems like someone here is pushing the Adobe sales pitch a bit too hard for my tastes. :rolleyes:
 
I like and use Adobe products, but this thread feels like I'm at an Adobe forum. It seems like someone here is pushing the Adobe sales pitch a bit too hard for my tastes. :rolleyes:
Were all bored, trying to kill time before Apple drops FCPX on us ;) So I dont mind the chatter as long as were all happy :)
 
I like and use Adobe products, but this thread feels like I'm at an Adobe forum. It seems like someone here is pushing the Adobe sales pitch a bit too hard for my tastes. :rolleyes:

Sorry THX, it got started with some misinformation about Adobe video products. I had to respond to that and we got a few threads going about Premiere Pro and After Effects. Not a marketing guy, just armed with the facts.
 
Does the installer suck as badly as the one for CS5 Design Suite? That managed to install all the apps with the wrong permissions so that they cannot be updated and much of the functionality is unavailable.

Given that CS5 was released last year and I only bought it in April, one year later, this isn't too reassuring of QC.
We have definitely worked hard to improve the installer experience for CS5.5. Sorry it caught you flat footed.
 
As for performance:
I'm running it on the same system as FCP 7, where I can easily playback multiple tracks of pro res 1080i in realtime via my matrox. So, if that's what 64bit and the mercury engine brings (stuttering pro res), then gosh yippie. I have 7 gigs of RAM. 2007 Mac Pro with esata gtech raid.

Is it stuttering in a Matrox sequence? Did you try that? ProRes should work fine in Premiere Pro. In FCP 7, are you at Safe RT or Unlimited RT. If the timeline is at Unlimited RT, then you'll get better performance. We do something similar in Premiere Pro and that is to right click on the Program monitor and lower the resolution. Also, the way we handle native R3D files.

As for audio adjustments:
I want to be able to highlight multiple clips and adjust them up or down by a certain DB. FCP is fantastic at this. Very quick to make audio level changes and adjustments. I can draw a marquee around a range of clips. Then press cmd+opt+l and then type a number. Done.

Yes, I know that function. In Premiere Pro, try the audio gain dialog: Choose Clip > Audio Options > Audio Gain

As for clunky and dynamic link:
I was actually referring to the general interface as clunky. Even just visually it's nowhere near as appealing as FCP's look which is over 10 years old. I'm kinda surprised at the dark look that is overtaking systems (like the new FCP X, Avid, Premiere, AE, etc.) when it is generally more eye strain than the nice greys and pastels. Videocube had these same colors years ago and like FCP, was easy to look at all day.

You can make the interface pure black or any shade of gray in Preferences. I like it really dark too. I think it looks a lot better than FCP for sure.

The stuttering I referred to wasn't an AE project like Motion. Just ProRes files. Nothing to render.
Right. Try lowering the resolution to 1/2, it's akin to being in Unlimited RT.

Thanks for your questions!
 
@Kevin

The real question is will you really be able to justify the standalone cost of PP vs FCPX, that is if FCPX turns out to be what most people have hoped for?

Probably not.
 
@Kevin

The real question is will you really be able to justify the standalone cost of PP vs FCPX, that is if FCPX turns out to be what most people have hoped for?

Probably not.
Noticed Adobe boasting huge migration of users. Well most I know buy the Master Collection so really PP outnumbers FCP at my work 6 to 1. However we don't use PP like we use FCP. Cost was justified thanks to After Effects and Photoshop :)
 
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