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Dell will flop

The Dell DJ got reviewed on Tech Tv not long ago and they didn't like it at all. They basically said it's cheaper and has abit more battery life but thats it! It's no iPod thats for sure.

The Dell DJ interface they said they basically hated after using iPod interface so long.
 
2 comments:
1) For years, people predicted palm (the hardware company) would fail due to the competition from the other licensees...yet while palm did not always have the features of the others, they always maintained their marketshare due to brand recognition and (generally) quality products. So they were trounced feature for feature, yet people went to palm for what they wanted, a PIM. Similarly, people go to the ipod for an mp3 player....and dont want to have a poorly integrated all in one.
2) If you've ever used a crappy mp3 player, you know how unpleasant an experience it is. Why repeat it? I see the battlefield as becoming one of many quality products, as it should be.
--Carly
 
Re: You need to understand M$'s screwed up mentality...

Originally posted by tazznb
They (Microsoft) want CONTROL OF EVERYTHING!! In their paranoia they must not give in one inch, because it may mean them losing marketshare.

That's not true at all. Microsoft will gladly give an inch if it means they might gain a foot later. Just look at thier strategy in Asia which, might I say, is cruel and evil yet pure genius. They're taking advantage of rampant software piracy in Asia to make sure that their products have the widest user base possible, and that Asia is utterly dependant on their platform. Then the rug gets pulled out from under them with Longhorn, and an entire sub-contenent that has never payed a dime for software is standing face-to-face with a brand new and frightening concept -- in order to have software on your computer, you must first pay for it.
 
I dunno... I think Apple has something to worry about with Dell's new jukebox.

Dell has more users, they have the same approx. button/style layout, the DJ is cheaper, it has built-in voice recording (no need for a tacky snap-on alternative), Cnet tested the battery life to be 19.5hrs.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be here if I weren't a fan of Apple, but I'm waiting for the 4th generation iPod to match/beat some of these advantages that the Dell has over the current 3rd gens.

The dimensions may be a bit bigger but it's still in the same ballpark for size. Apple does have it's pluses over Dell's player and I'd get into them fully but my point of the post is that all of this "Dell sucks" talk is a bit fanboyish. They obviously have a contender for marketshare.
 
when are we (mac users) gonna get it?

it is ALL about substandard companies coming in and delivering "almost" products for cheaper. this has been the case all along and will continue to be the case and is the number one reason why Apple loses marketshare all over the place.
the fact is, Monopolosoft can come to market with a product that loses money (XBox) and is often times inferior (everything else they make) and wait it out until the other companies die off because they aren't "standard." i GUARANTEE that Microsoft will come to market with some piece of junk that will play .wma files and use Windows Media Player for audio/video be "almost" as good as the iPod for $50-$100 less. Apple will wait about 6-12 months before they lower price to compete, Microsoft will already have gained a foothold, fast forward 5 years-iPod has 10% market share of portable audio players.

this post was right on:
"That's not true at all. Microsoft will gladly give an inch if it means they might gain a foot later. Just look at thier strategy in Asia which, might I say, is cruel and evil yet pure genius. They're taking advantage of rampant software piracy in Asia to make sure that their products have the widest user base possible, and that Asia is utterly dependant on their platform. Then the rug gets pulled out from under them with Longhorn, and an entire sub-contenent that has never payed a dime for software is standing face-to-face with a brand new and frightening concept -- in order to have software on your computer, you must first pay for it."

this is a sad but true fact. pay attention to the console game market in the next three years. Dreamcast is already dead, Gamecube is dying, Playstation is hanging on. 3 years-Sega, Nintendo, Sony developing games for the XBox. period.
we are all waiting for Longhorn in the desperate hope that it will drive people to the Mac. here's hoping...

j
 
Apple just needs to lower prices to make the iPod more competitive. It will sell itself. A wireless feature would be really neat, and yes, I know that is a long time coming. I can hope though!
 
I've seen the future and it's going to be interesting.

Personally, I'm betting on the iPod to win.

As for the M$ debate, it's pure controll. It's not 'enabaling users' with power, it's enabaling software giants to get more money. From their new DMCA copyright mother board to Longhorn, everything is about THEM owning your PC, not you owning it.
 
Re: when are we (mac users) gonna get it?

Originally posted by jmerk


this is a sad but true fact. pay attention to the console game market in the next three years. Dreamcast is already dead, Gamecube is dying, Playstation is hanging on. 3 years-Sega, Nintendo, Sony developing games for the XBox. period.
we are all waiting for Longhorn in the desperate hope that it will drive people to the Mac. here's hoping...

j

I can't believe you are buying this! GameCube is FAR from dead! Nintendo (the company, that is) is the top selling videogame developer in the world. When one thinks of videogames, you think of Nintendo first, what else? According to their markey share statistics, XBox is waaaaay behind. GameCube is also way chaper, to boot.

Like, duh! :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by question fear
2 comments:
1) For years, people predicted palm (the hardware company) would fail due to the competition from the other licensees...yet while palm did not always have the features of the others, they always maintained their marketshare due to brand recognition and (generally) quality products. So they were trounced feature for feature, yet people went to palm for what they wanted, a PIM. Similarly, people go to the ipod for an mp3 player....and dont want to have a poorly integrated all in one.
2) If you've ever used a crappy mp3 player, you know how unpleasant an experience it is. Why repeat it? I see the battlefield as becoming one of many quality products, as it should be.
--Carly
good points... and in general i agree. this doesn't mean that apple shouldn't advance the ipod though. and as a music device it is missing some basic and important audio features, namely an fm tuner and quality line in recording. although accessories can solve this problem, they're not an ideal solution (extra cost, things to carry around and attached as opposed to an integrated design).

sure i have no doubt that the dell player sucks booty... regardless, it's just that in the end i do think that the ipod can be improved upon within it's focused realm. it doesn't need to be a poorly 'integrated all in one' but rather it should be a steller audio device... right now i think it's missing some features. doesn't it make sense for apple to focus on these audio features/improvements and let other companies create accessories for other uses (i.e. the media card reader).
 
I can tell already just from looking at the thing that the Dell DJ sucks. It's the same thing they always do... attempt to ape Apple's designs while totally failing to grasp the things that make those designs so elegant and appealing.

It looks like an ordinary, everyday piece of crappy personal electronics crammed into an iPod-like case. Blah.

It makes me wonder, how bleeding hard is good product design anyway? It just seems odd that Apple is the only company in the industry that seems able to manage it. It's like Dell hires all the design folks who got rejected from jobs at Apple (and, apparently, Sonic Blue or whoever's making Rios now gets everyone who got rejected from Dell).

The place where Dell is really going to take advantage of the market is that parents of kids going off to college buy their kids computers... CHEAP computers. Dell has a huge chunk of that market. What you'll see is Dell bundling the DJ and credit for a few songs from the MusicMatch service with computers aimed at incoming college students. Even if the kid cares about the difference, the parent won't. And then the kid is stuck. Sure, the iPod is a better device, and if iTunes is the best Windows app ever, then MusicMatch Jukebox is surely and undoubtedly the worst (God, how I loathe that POS), but will the kid have the money to buy one? Will the kid be able to convince his parent to get him an iPod when he has a "perfectly good" (in parent-think) digital music player already?

It sucks, but the biggest threat to Apple is not competition from a superior or even closely equal product, but from a company who has ways to "trap" people into using their inferior product.

As the son of a single private school teacher in rural Alabama, making significantly less than even local public school teachers, I understand the Wal-Mart mentality all too well. I was raised with the impression that no product was substantially better than those available at Wal-Mart, and that people who bought anything more expensive were just pretentious brand-name snobs.

As I've established myself as an adult, I've learned better. If you're selective, you find that many times it's well worth spending the extra money. If you buy the cheapest thing that does the job, nine times out of ten you'll replace it with something more expensive, and better, later, at a greater total cost than if you'd just bought the best quality you could afford the first time. That's why I became a Mac user to start with, and why I will never buy a laptop, or likely a digital music player, from anybody else.
 
[/B][/QUOTE]sure i have no doubt that the dell player sucks booty... regardless, it's just that in the end i do think that the ipod can be improved upon within it's focused realm. it doesn't need to be a poorly 'integrated all in one' but rather it should be a steller audio device... right now i think it's missing some features. doesn't it make sense for apple to focus on these audio features/improvements and let other companies create accessories for other uses (i.e. the media card reader). [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree.
And look at when palm began to integrate certain features. They had a success with integrating bluetooth in the tungsten, a digicam with the zire 71, and oddly enough low-end features on the zire. But these were all integrated in time with the development of the various technologies. Likewise, I think the ipod will progress when the technology works well with the existing purpose, and that there might be a reason the features we want to see are not integrated.
thats my .02.
--carly
 
I do plan to buy my first iPod very soon, but I sure am hoping that higher quality stereo recording is already built into the firmware. It would be great for me when I'm writing songs on my guitar just to get something down quickly before I forget it, and whilist I could do that with the Belkin mic, would be good to have better quality. I guess it all comes down to if the iPod can buffer and write 2 channel, 16-bit 16kHz (or preferably higher) audio - let's hope it can, as I really can't see myself running out to but another one in a few months again.

I forgot to look at what the Dell Pod offers in terms of audio recording, but I think I'll still stick with the iPod!!
 
Originally posted by neeotronik
Well; Sony has had an all around similar portable system that is waiting for launch by the end of next year (why they wait so long is beyond me) It's going to be called the PSP (playstation portable) New format for watching movies on the go and the ability to play games and music on the go. This move on Microsofts part is to combat both the popularity of the Ipod and to compete with sony on the all around gaming/music/movie portable solution.
As far as I'm concerned; I'm sticking to the ipod for my music needs; I have the original ipod (5gb) ever since it was launched and along with Itunes and ephod software I think it's the best solution for portable music on the go. As far as all the other uses; portable HD that can pretty much store anything; the contacts; it's a very handy all around device and it's so well designed that it handles it's features flawlessly.
There's no need for me to be swayed to this new stuff because Apple just did it so right; so right that I didn't even see the need to upgrade to a 15gb or 30gb slimmer ipods.
I say let microsoft (micro-is-soft) and Dell (Dwell) come out with their devices; there's nothing attractive about them at all. Now the Sony PSP is something to lookout for!!!! I've always loved sony; before the i-pod the Mini-disc player rocked!!! If sony and Apple would team up (hint hint) can you imagine the innovation and outstanding product that would hit the market as a result of both of their efforts (sony has always had it's own style and apple defines style/sony has gaming in it's palm and apple could benefit from that)
We can dream cant we!!!!!

I totally agree! Apple there is nothing wrong with accepting help from a third party! #1 Drop the price, #2 Partner with Sony, then #3 More features.
Dell, Microsoft will be history!
 
Apple shouldn't partner with Sony. Sony has huge interests in the music business and has a history of implementing the most consumer-unfriendly DRM imaginable. Sony would demand SO much control that it isn't feasible. Apple's AOL and Pepsi partnerships are exactly what they needed: working with non-competing companies to improve all three of their market positions. Genius. Apple needs NO help from Sony, who has already lost the digital music player war.

Apple is doing things right. I'm looking at my iPod right now, wondering what Apple could do to make the product more appealing to me... and I can't think of much. Adding features will increase the size and add weight, and I'm not willing to go that route. FM tuner? Not if it makes it bigger. Line in? Most people, myself included, don't record anything ever through an analog source, and I would use my 12" Powerbook if I wanted to do that because it's much better suited for the task. Keep it digital! If you are recording your band, this is NOT the product you need for that purpose.

PLEASE stop trying to ruin the iPod by getting Apple to bloat it with more features. My laptop is the digital hub, the iPod is my standalone music player. Keep the lines clear, and trust me, everything will work much more smoothly. Don't make Apple turn into Dell.
 
Re: Dell will flop

Originally posted by ITR 81
The Dell DJ got reviewed on Tech Tv not long ago and they didn't like it at all. They basically said it's cheaper and has abit more battery life but thats it! It's no iPod thats for sure.

The Dell DJ interface they said they basically hated after using iPod interface so long.

Which show? Link please. I watch Tech TV and they almost never demo stuff that isn't on the market yet. The DJ isn't even out yet. How did X show on tech TV get the scoop?
 
microsoft's eventual takeover...

sethypoo wrote:
I can't believe you are buying this! GameCube is FAR from dead! Nintendo (the company, that is) is the top selling videogame developer in the world. When one thinks of videogames, you think of Nintendo first, what else? According to their markey share statistics, XBox is waaaaay behind. GameCube is also way chaper, to boot."


what i am BUYING is the fact that time and again, microsoft has shown their "business model" to be successful: enter a market with a substandard but cheaper or free product, choke off competition, say that your product is "standard", game over for competition.

GUARANTEE: microsoft soon lowers prices on XBox to bring them in line with GameCube, XBox takeover begins.

i said gamecube was dying, not dead. i am aware that nintendo is a major player with a great reputation and great games.
BUT, microsoft will continue to lower prices because they can take the loss which is something other console game companies can't do. they will realize the sad reality that the money is in their game titles and they will move to developing games for other machines once microsoft lowers console prices so low that it wouldn't make business sense for Nintendo and to a lesser degree Sony to keep taking losses on the console.

i am also aware of the marketshare numbers.

do me a favor and save this e-mail thread and look at it three years from now. i'm not happy about it. in fact, as applied to the portable audio device, i'm rather p1ssed about it but i give the iPod another 3-5 years until the "standard" is some kind of "good enough" player that uses .wma (you know, the "standard" audio codec), apple's superior product (iPod) is once again on the sidelines relegated to the niche Mac market where Mac users will pay the premium for the better device.

call me a pessimist but i'm just using history applied to the future...
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
The dPod saves you $30 over an iPod.

$30 is *nothing*.


Nope.

10GB iPod: $299
15GB DJ: $250 Note you get 5GB more, 19+ hours of batt life and save $50.

20GB iPod: $399
20GB DJ: $299 (for now.)

Is $100 also nothing?
 

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and the prophecy begins to unfold...

here is a link to a Mossberg article (Wall Street Journal) that talks about how the other portable audio device give the iPod "a run for its money."

it is already beginning. i said that quality doesn't matter as much to the lemmings as price and it is very apparent when a respected tech journalist says as much. wait until Microsoft really throws their weight into this arena...

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/10/29/mossberg/index.php?redirect=1067417040000
 
Re: microsoft's eventual takeover...

what i am BUYING is the fact that time and again, microsoft has shown their "business model" to be successful: enter a market with a substandard but cheaper or free product, choke off competition, say that your product is "standard", game over for competition.

GUARANTEE: microsoft soon lowers prices on XBox to bring them in line with GameCube, XBox takeover begins.

i said gamecube was dying, not dead. i am aware that nintendo is a major player with a great reputation and great games.
BUT, microsoft will continue to lower prices because they can take the loss which is something other console game companies can't do. they will realize the sad reality that the money is in their game titles and they will move to developing games for other machines once microsoft lowers console prices so low that it wouldn't make business sense for Nintendo and to a lesser degree Sony to keep taking losses on the console.

i am also aware of the marketshare numbers.

do me a favor and save this e-mail thread and look at it three years from now. i'm not happy about it. in fact, as applied to the portable audio device, i'm rather p1ssed about it but i give the iPod another 3-5 years until the "standard" is some kind of "good enough" player that uses .wma (you know, the "standard" audio codec), apple's superior product (iPod) is once again on the sidelines relegated to the niche Mac market where Mac users will pay the premium for the better device.

call me a pessimist but i'm just using history applied to the future...

well written. as much as it sucks, i think this is right on.
 
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