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you're probably right. ...and if I bought one, I COULD just turn my hack into a linux based NAS and RAID it up.... that'd be gigabit ethernet, nothin' to sneer at...... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Any additional ideas on how to sell the wife on dropping another 2500 bux on a computer? :rolleyes:
 
If it had USB 3.0, I'd be ordering one instead of posting here. I'm holding out on my next pro machine until I can get a higher-speed interface for talking to RAIDs. FW800 and USB 2.0 just don't cut it.

3.0 is dead, why would u want 3.0 when lightpeak exist?
 
These iMac's are so close, yet so far from being perfect. Add eSATA, the ability to EASILY access and change out the main hard drive, and I suppose options for better graphics and there you go... That is all that is needed. Oh, Apple.
 
I'm hoping the 27" iMac gets an ATI 5700 option soon. That's the one I want.
In that case i hope the 4850 trickles down into the lower end iMacs.

My biggest complaint is the price of entry to get a Core i5/i7 on the iMac. After that it's the lackluster video options.

Yes thats true but a lot of it is because of that huge screen. I wish they had managed to get it in the 21.5" version.
 
I wish they had managed to get it in the 21.5" version.
That would have worked for me. Hell even a Core 2 Qaud 65W S Series in the 21.5" should just be a simple drop in for the socketed LGA 775 processors.

A Core 2 Duo in a +$600 desktop is a complete disgrace.

3.0 is dead, why would u want 3.0 when lightpeak exist?
Any proof of its death? Or is Light Peak only popular because Apple was in the same sentence?
 
Uhh, see, that's just not true - Lightpeak is AWESOME, but HOW many years away? USB 3.0 is SHIPPING, for example, in Gigabyte motherboards.

But Intel is still sitting on it. Intel seems to want to give Lightpeak a better shot.
 
That would have worked for me. Hell even a Core 2 Qaud 65W S Series in the 21.5" should just be a simple drop in for the socketed LGA 775 processors.

A Core 2 Duo in a +$600 desktop is a complete disgrace.

And thats a shame as the 21.5" is the only one i would consider as the 27" is way to big for my desk
 
If by sitting on it, you mean, "waiting until the holiday season is over so they can support it starting 2010" then yeah, sure, dead. :rolleyes:
 
Maybe they're bitter that it outperforms their brand-new Mac Pro. ;)

I'm a little bit bitter. But only slightly because it's hard to know what will be developed after you buy a computer. I bought a mac pro because it was so much faster than the imac at the time, but in the future I'll buy imac if the speed is so good. And a 27" LED!
 
geez, stop kissing apple ass, it's Intel's chip that did everything, apple just used it (should've used it sooner, as with their gfx options with Ati).

Yeah I suppose it was Intel who designed the enclosure, thin enough to be iMac, but big enough to dissipate enough heat, which would enable desktop class chips to be used inside as well.
 
I'm a little bit bitter. But only slightly because it's hard to know what will be developed after you buy a computer. I bought a mac pro because it was so much faster than the imac at the time, but in the future I'll buy imac if the speed is so good. And a 27" LED!
There's nothing really wrong with your Mac Pro. You still have greater expandability options (such as upgrading the GPU, which is the iMac 27"'s main weakness currently).

Just think, some day you may be able to install a Radeon 5970 in your Mac Pro. That's something no iMac can accomplish ;D
 
To be useful this would need an eSata port. USB or even FW800 cannot be utilized for a practical external storage solution. The speed offered by those interfaces are excruciatingly slow to be usable, except maybe for timemachine which doesn't require the speed anyways.
 
If it had USB 3.0, I'd be ordering one instead of posting here. I'm holding out on my next pro machine until I can get a higher-speed interface for talking to RAIDs. FW800 and USB 2.0 just don't cut it.

2nd, new MP is around the corner, apple wont cannibalize sales
 
To be useful this would need an eSata port. USB or even FW800 cannot be utilized for a practical external storage solution. The speed offered by those interfaces are excruciatingly slow to be usable, except maybe for timemachine which doesn't require the speed anyways.

That's exactly what I'm wanting..... an eSATA port. I'm holding off until the first of the year. I'm sure it won't get much by then but you never know.
 
To be useful this would need an eSata port. USB or even FW800 cannot be utilized for a practical external storage solution. The speed offered by those interfaces are excruciatingly slow to be usable, except maybe for timemachine which doesn't require the speed anyways.
Ok, let's be reasonable here--to be useful for things that require massive data throughput. Sure, if I'm doing uncompressed capture to an 8-drive RAID array, FW800 is slow. But for many perfectly reasonable uses of a computer like this it's sufficient. 3D rendering, for example, could care less about disk throughput. Same with many kinds of video encode.

For the target audience--prosumer/low-end pro, it's perfectly fine, as many of those people just aren't running massive RAID arrays.

I managed to talk my wife into one as it's the first iMac that convinced me to replace my old pro tower rather than holding out for being able to afford a Mac Pro, and while I'd LIKE very much to see eSATA on it, I don't care that much in the near-to-medium term, since I keep all my data on a server connected via gigabit ethernet anyway, for connivence's sake. The internal drive is sufficient for the few things I need better speed than that on, and FW800 would handle a single-drive external case well enough, which is all I expect to personally ever use it with.

By the time I'm replacing it in 2011 I expect to see USB3 or other technologies available.

Really, there are people who have medium-to-high CPU needs who just don't need 300MB/s throughput to external storage.
 
B.s.

There is no way that a single Quad Core i7 beats a Dual Quad Core i7 MacPro. I have a Quad Core i5 and the Dual Quad Core i7 spanks my Mac Pro. These results can't be true. I seriously doubt it. Obviously these results don't take full advantage of all the cores. :apple:
 
ONly thing I would notice is video encoding. And even then it still takes an hour. I probably would still encode a few video overnight like I currently do.

IF you're a pro and encode 8 hours or more of video per day it sure could help save you time and money.
If you're a pro and spend more than 8 hours a day encoding, you would be using a PCI or outboard hardware encoder, or be running under Windows and make use of CUDA encoders.

You can buy MPEG/VC1/VC3 encoders that have HD-SDI in and Ethernet out that will convert HD in real time for about £300.
 
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