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I really don't see why netbooks are so popular. They aren't that much more portable than a laptop, have poor battery performance, and can't do much anyway except internet and email. Heck, my iphone does that now and more with 3G connectivity.

IMHO, the iphone is the ultimate netbook. Sure the screen is small and the keys are virtual, but a netbook doesn't provide much more benefit in this regard. The iPhone is ultra portable, does email, surfs the web, pictures, video, music, messaging, etc., etc., plus with the itunes and app store, it can do a whole lot more than any netbook could (I love my radio app on the iphone!!!). Wifi only netbooks are limited in their use, while a 3g connected iPhone is connected everywhere, all the time (mostly). A netbook without a wifi connection is pretty limited. I do admit that the iPHone needs copy and paste and a few other tweaks to make it truly great; nothing that software can't fix.

Eventually, people will want more performance out of their netbooks. This is what a laptop is for.

Apple already has a netbook, in fact they have 2. It's called the iPhone and iPod Touch.


An iPhone/iPod-Touch is not a netbook, by any stretch. They are, at most, a low-end (in terms of size/display) MID. A netbook is a very particular category within the MID/UMPC arena. But even if we aren't pedantic about "netbook" and we focus on whether or not an iPhone/Touch fills the role of a netbook ... you're still completely wrong.

The netbook fills a very particular niche between a laptop and a pocketable. Laptops are too big, and pocketables are too small, for this niche. While you say that a netbook isn't any more portable than a laptop, the fact is that there are lots of gadget bags that are big enough for a netbook but not a laptop. Or even bags that are otherwise big enough for laptops, but that now have more room for things like books and other gadgets once you're not using most of their space on a laptop.

While you say "can't do much besides internet and email", you say it like it's a bad thing. That's exactly what they're designed for. Unlike an over-priced, over-powered, laptop, a netbook isn't designed to be a full power desktop replacement. It's intended for the lighter workloads, the common tasks we ALL do (students, professionals, casual users, retirees, etc.), not the heavy lifting that only people in specific markets need.

So far, you're right that the iPod Touch and iPhone are in the same mold. Everything I've said to differentiate a netbook form a laptop holds equally for the Apple MIDs. But ... have you ever tried to take notes for a 2 hour meeting on a pocketable device? I have. In my case, I've done it with both a Nokia N800 and a Nokia N810. What I found, over time, was that the small size kept it from being a useful replacement. The N800 had the same problem that the Apple devices have: you can't interact with a full screen application AND type at the same time.

The N810 improves this with a physical keyboard, but trying to type full speed with your thumbs is just not a sustainable plan. Thumb typing is great for VERY short things: TXT messages, 1-3 line to-do items and notes ... and that's about it. Anything more than that, and you're going to be lagging behind the events going on around you. For meeting notes, that becomes a distraction and a liability to the task at hand.

I also found that the small screen (which is bigger, and has better resolution, than the Apple devices) was ok for some things, but really just plain too tiny for other things. Again, note taking comes to mind, where I wanted just a little more screen real estate for looking back over my notes. On a 4.1" screen, there was just not enough room to display all of the information I wanted to view.

A 7" or 9" screen is a HUGE improvement in this regard. Easier to read, able to display more information, able to give you a "bigger picture" (I mean that in the "awareness" sense, not the "big JPEGs" sense). The Apple devices, frankly, can't compete here. To give a "big picture", you lose the details. To show you the details, you lose the "big picture". While a 7" screen isn't going to be as useful as a 22" screen, in this regard, it is, in my experience, "good enough" for the light tasks a netbook or UMPC is intended to cover.

And then there's the keyboard. Sure, MOST netbooks use cramped keyboards, but people seem to adapt to them enough to type as decent speeds. And then there's the wide-screen netbooks, like the Sony Viao P and the HP mini 1000. Imagine the current metal Apple Bluetooth Keyboard, with a matching sized display attached to it. You can type full speed, and you've got a decent (not great, but decent) screen for viewing what you're typing (interestingly, this is very close to one of the mock-ups).

Personally, I'd LOVE to have a convertible tablet (swivel screen) format Mac with a 8.9"/9" screen. I think that would be amazingly great. But I also doubt that you could make it happen with aesthetics that would live up to Apple's standards. As much as I think the HP mini 1000 with Mac OS X would be a sexy beast, I doubt that it'd be "different" enough for Apple, and I don't see that being a form factor that works with a touch screen. That's why I think the most likely case something more like the Samsung Q1 series (without the physical thumb keyboards).

I'm thinking either something like the "Touch Book" (tablet with optional detachable/clip-on keyboard), or something like the Q1 (pre-Ultra) that relied upon virtual thumb keyboards or a completely separate standard, but small, keyboard (USB or bluetooth).

Imagine an iPod Touch with a 9" or 10" screen, running real Mac OS X (but with an alternate Finder view that looks like the iPhone, and the ability to run iPhone and iPhone-like apps), that has not only the portrait and landscape keyboards (only the landscape keyboard would be finger size, like one of the mock-ups, instead of thumb size), but also translucent split thumb keyboards that can be used in landscape mode. Also, with a screen this big, a portrait thumb keyboard still gives you a usable amount of screen real estate for viewing the app you're working with. Then imagine a docking port on one of the _long_ edges (not one of the short edges), that can be hooked into a docking station for use with a real keyboard ... or that can be clipped into a clamshell case that gives it a more standard netbook form factor (that would only be bought by people who wont mind a slight "ugly factor").


So ... while an iPod Touch definitely qualifies as a MID, it definitely doesn't qualify as a netbook. And, a netbook definitely fills a role (in use, and size) that puts it in a "useful, but lighter than a laptop" niche, while still being more capable than a pocketable device.

And I, for one, welcome the idea of Apple entering this market. Linux has come a long way in the last 8 years, but even Ubuntu and Maemo are still no OS X.
 
50 bucks says as soon as this is released, the story here on macrumors will have WAY more negatives than possitive ratings. "i want this, i want that... screw apple until that happens." So ridiculous.

if 10.5.7 update news can get negative votes, this one can them for shure. :cool:
 
The big question is what processor they will use. If we knew that we could probably pin point where they were heading with the function and design.

The more I think about it, the more probable it is that this device will be a very thin sub-notebook which is more notebook than iPT/iPhone.


By the time this comes out we'll have 64GB iPTs for $399. The chips are so small and compact they don't add a lot of space or weight to a tablet if you have 64gb built in behind a 10" screen.

There is another possibility...

A Redfly like device. Either you plug your iPhone/iPT into it, or you just have it near by. This new device (AppleFly?) just gives your iPhone/iPT a larger display, and possibly a physical keyboard, but otherwise is an empty device (no Apps nor "OS" of its own). I don't think that's likely, but it is possible. (I think it's MUCH more likely to see the Redfly software ported to the iPhone/iPT, than to see Apple make such a device). But as I was reading your post, the thought occurred to me.
 
I'd personally be happy if I can tether my iPhone to the Mimo 7" USB touchscreen monitor. For my car.

http://www.mimomonitors.com/

But I do hope I can port my iPhone to this thing also. Either way, I'll be standing in line for it.
 
I have a first gen Air and while I wouldn't call it a netbook by any means, I love it and defend it. Does everything I need and does it beautifully.

Just to be clear, my "over priced and over sized" comment very specifically included the phrase "relative to the competition". If you put it in the netbook arena, it is WAY too big (not in terms of thickness, but in terms of length/width footprint), and WAY too expensive.

The MBA makes sense as an "ultra-thin, ultra-light, laptop". Not as a netbook. In the laptop arena, it's ultra-thin, moderate screen sized, moderate power, and not terribly expensive (not cheap, either, though).

But in the netbook arena ... WAY TOO HUGE and WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.
 
I envision sitting on the sofa playing Line Rider. I want.

I envision (if it's a full OS X device, whether that means tablet or netbook):

- using Google Reader on the road (or on my couch), including adding/editing tags
- doing full gmail on the road (filters, "send as" my other email addresses), but only light message composing
- using it as my primary IM device (where all of the logs are)
- displaying it on my desktop macs (so I can use said IM client from my desktops)
- displaying my desktop mac's screens on it (so I can remote control them when I'm away from a desk)
- OpenSSH with port forwarding (server administration)
- real/true Firefox and/or Safari, with Flash and htaccess authentication (using my mail server's web admin interface)
- full iTunes experience
- taking notes, reading documents/etc., in meetings (using some form of physical keyboard; USB, Bluetooth, clip-on, whatever)


Essentially, with the exception of iTunes, this is all stuff I already do on my ubuntu netbook (and somewhat on my android phone) ... I'd just be using a Mac OS X device for it, and retaining iTunes (I haven't switched out my music library to something Android compatible yet; but a device from Apple that would fit what I've been talking about would preempt that).
 
Look at the past rumors. It just makes sense.

9-10inchs.

Touch based, no real keyboard.

Dual core Atom processor either 1.6ghz or 1.8ghz.

My guess is it will use a full OSX install with a front-rowish type interface to make the touch work better.

Bluetooth so you can use the apple bluetooth keyboard which btw its awesome.

While I would like to see $599 I am guessing we will see $1199

32gb and 64gb version. With a 128gb version down the road in 3-5 months.

If they go super thing it will probably have heat issues :p

3G may or may not be an option. Depends how they market it. I can see three variants being offered and one being the 3G enabled version.

I see usb on the on the side, but no firewire.

I would like to see SD card...but apple does not seem to be thrilled with SD.
 
The bar is high for Apple to jump over here. Sony is putting out some slick products in the 8-13 inch range. Here is the 11" model with everything you could want.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...Id=8198552921644590401&parentCategoryId=16154

Everything you could want in a netbook ... except:

* Price (more than double what a netbook should cost, closer to 4x what a netbook should cost)

* Size (no bigger than 10" screen)

* Software (no vendor supported Linux distribution, no OS X)

I wouldn't buy any of the Sony Netbooks, nor their UMPC for that matter. They don't measure up to the competition in any way other than visual flash.
 
Fortunately there's a device perfect for people with typing requirements - - it's a MacBook!

Macbook is too big and expensive.

Like I said, what's the point of having a 10" tablet? What does tablet offer that a device with keyboard does not? It might be a bit smaller, but that's about it. In any case, we are not talking about a big device here.

Tablet-PC's (the ones without a keyboard) have flopped hard. I fail to see what Apple could bring to the table that would magically make those devices more useful.

So what would you do with a 10" tablet? Surf the web? Considering that you don't really have a keyboard, that's more or less the only thing you could do with it. And you can do that with an iPod if you want to.

So what's the point of carrying a 10" tablet with you that's only good for surfing the web? A 10" touchscreen-device with keyboard is A LOT more useful and flexible than a mere tablet is. There's no going around that fact.

Every machine can't be everything to everybody.

True. But touchscreen-device with keyboard can do everything a mere tablet can do, while tablet can't do the things touchscreen-device with keyboard can do.

Personally, a 10" Mac tablet is exactly what I'm looking for, and I'm ready to pay my Apple tax for one asap - - bring it on!

What would you do with it? What task do you have in mind that requires a tablet, and which would actually be harmed by the existence of a keyboard?

I can see Apple release a product with keyboard, where you can twist and fold the screen over the keyboard, giving you a tablet. But the idea of just having the tablet without the keyboard seems dumb.
 
Uh, HP has a 12" Convertible tablet with an AMD Turion X2-72, 4GB, 320GB HD and a ATI 3200 video card for $899.
The only computer that's remotely comparable to what Apple might release is the Touch Smart tx2z. That starts at $950.
IMNSHO, comparing the Apple tablet to something that doesn't have a touch screen is not honest. Unless you're trying to Mac bash, it's only fair to compare a touch screen device to another touch screen device.
 
The only computer that's remotely comparable to what Apple might release is the Touch Smart tx2z

If only both machines were slightly smaller. 12" is too big for a netbook. The tx2z with a 9" or 10" screen, and Ubuntu or OS X, sounds like it'd be rather nice. (people have successfully gotten Ubuntu to run on it)
 
So what would you do with a 10" tablet? Surf the web? Considering that you don't really have a keyboard, that's more or less the only thing you could do with it. And you can do that with an iPod if you want to.

I already said, above, what I would do with a 10" tablet (and, an iPod Touch is too small of a screen, so that rules out your last sentence in the quote above).

As for keyboard... most of the time, when I'm mobile, I could get away with a larger (than the iPhone/iPT) virtual thumb keyboard. It would be slower and less comfortable than a physical thumb keyboard, but I could get by with only using a physical keyboard when I'm at a table/desk.

So, imagine the 10" tablet in portrait orientation. The bottom half of the screen is a large virtual thumb keyboard (large enough that you don't hit multiple keys at once, like you do with the iPhone/iPT keyboard). The top half of the screeen is whatever application you were using before you accessed the keyboard, still mostly visible and usable.

That would be usable with any of the following (modified list from above, only talking about those things I'd use the above virtual keyboard arrangement with, and taking off the list anything that isn't keyboard oriented):


- using Google Reader on the road (or on my couch), including adding/editing tags ... just fine with a virtual keyboard.

- doing full gmail on the road (filters, "send as" my other email addresses), but only light message composing when using the virtual keyboard.

- using it as my primary IM device (where all of the logs are; light IM with the virtual keyboard should be fine, and then more involved conversations when I get to a table/desk and can use a physical keyboard)

- displaying my desktop mac's screens on it (so I can remote control them when I'm away from a desk; the top half of the 10" screen, in portrait mode, would be a little visually cramped for VNC or Remote Desktop, but usable for emergency maintenance)

- OpenSSH with port forwarding (a terminal window should fit in the top half of a 10" screen in portrait mode, without any problems)

- real/true Firefox and/or Safari, with Flash/etc. and not the light and tiny version of Safari on the iPhone/iPT

- taking notes, reading documents/etc., in meetings (light note taking could be done with the virtual keyboard I mention above, and in a meeting I should have a table/desk available for using it with a USB or bluetooth keyboard, which would be required for heavy note taking)


Also note, I hate virtual keyboards (for example, I refuse to buy a phone that doesn't have a physical keyboard), and yet I still think the above would be a usable device. I'd buy one. (two actually, one for me + one for my wife)
 
I already said, above, what I would do with a 10" tablet (and, an iPod Touch is too small of a screen, so that rules out your last sentence in the quote above).

Many of the activities you listed involves data-entry, and that basically requires a keyboard. And what about onscreen thumbboard? It would mean holding the device in your hands. Can you imagine holding a 10" device in your hand and typing like you do with iPhone? Me neither. It simply would not work. It works on the iPhone because iPhone is small.

As for keyboard... most of the time, when I'm mobile, I could get away with a larger (than the iPhone/iPT) virtual thumb keyboard.

Keyboard like that would work on iPhone, but not on 10" device.

So, imagine the 10" tablet in portrait orientation. The bottom half of the screen is a large virtual thumb keyboard

You must have VERY long thumbs if you are going to reach all the keys with your thumbs on a 10" screen...

That would be usable with any of the following (modified list from above, only talking about those things I'd use the above virtual keyboard arrangement with, and taking off the list anything that isn't keyboard oriented):

Your definition of "usable" differs from mine.

- using Google Reader on the road (or on my couch), including adding/editing tags ... just fine with a virtual keyboard.

there's nothing wrong with virtual keyboards. But there's a lot of wrong with virtual keyboards on 10" screen.

And like I said: what benefit would the 10" screen + virtual keyboard offer over 10" screen + physical keyboard? Now, Apple could do a "virtual keyboard" that was placed in similar way as current physical keyboards are. It could also double as a trackpad. that would be new and novel. But I'm afraid it would drive up the cost.
 
Many of the activities you listed involves data-entry, and that basically requires a keyboard. And what about onscreen thumbboard? It would mean holding the device in your hands. Can you imagine holding a 10" device in your hand and typing like you do with iPhone? Me neither.

Yes, I can. And I have tried it on other devices. If it's a very wide 10" screen (think more like the Sony Vaio P and HP Mini 1000, where they went very wide and not very tall), I think it would work quite well the way I've described it. And I've done similar with my Samsung Q1 Ultra in portrait mode (which is a 7" screen, but still gave me plenty room to grow the device).

Keyboard like that would work on iPhone, but not on 10" device.

You're speculating. I've done it. You're wrong.

You must have VERY long thumbs if you are going to reach all the keys with your thumbs on a 10" screen...

Actually, I've been told that for someone who is 6'3", my fingers are (relative to the rest of my body) a little on the "short and fat" side.


Your definition of "usable" differs from mine.

Probably. But on a 7" device, in a very thick case (the otterbox case designed specifically for the Q1 Ultra), my thumbs cross over by quite a lot. I could easily work this way with a 9" screen, and I have no doubts that, out of the case, I could handle it as a 10" screen as well.

And like I said: what benefit would the 10" screen + virtual keyboard offer over 10" screen + physical keyboard?

It depends on whether Apple is doing a tablet (like a giant iPT, basically), or a netbook. So that means either a pure tablet, or a convertible tablet (swivel screen), or a touch screen netbook (like the Raon Everun Digital Note, a 7" netbook that has a touch screen, but is NOT a convertible tablet design). They're not doing a conventional netbook, because we know that the 10" screens are touch screens (right?).

I don't see them accepting the aesthetic trade off of a convertible tablet (design wise, they're all a little on the ugly side). Adding a keyboard to a tablet means you've either given up the tablet, or you've given up aesthetics. I don't see Apple giving up the aesthetics angle.

So, that leaves pure tablet or touch screen netbook. And, frankly, I own a Raon Everun Digital Note, and I wouldn't want to see a 10" version of it as an Apple product.

Now, Apple could do a "virtual keyboard" that was placed in similar way as current physical keyboards are. It could also double as a trackpad. that would be new and novel. But I'm afraid it would drive up the cost.

a) I think the OLPC 2 concept for this is interesting, but I doubt we'll see one in the wild any time soon.

b) If we were to see this in a netbook type product, I wouldn't expect to see it with two 10" screens. Maybe two 7" screens. If Apple goes down this path with two 10" screens, I wont expect them to put it into the netbook market (which does leave open the possibility that it will be a bit more expensive).

The OLPC2 concept, with two 7" screens, or two 9" screens, could be an interesting OS X platform, though.
 
F**K yeah! :D

PLEASE have a 2.93GHz processor!
PLEASE have 4GB of RAM!
PLEASE have an optical drive!
PLEASE have FireWire! (Just kidding) :D
PLEASE be $199!!! (OK that's not me, but some of you guys....) :p

Haha, you must be joking, more like 1.6ghz Atom, 1gb RAM, no optical drive, doubt itll have firewire, one usb, it'll be the MBA, in tablet form...
 
Look at the past rumors. It just makes sense.

9-10inchs.
Touch based, no real keyboard.
Dual core Atom processor either 1.6ghz or 1.8ghz.
My guess is it will use a full OSX install with a front-rowish type interface to make the touch work better.
Bluetooth so you can use the apple bluetooth keyboard which btw its awesome.

While I would like to see $599 I am guessing we will see $1199.

I was digging around in past and present rumors. A recent news article (whatever that is worth) claimed an un-named sources from Apple as saying there is a 10" tablet coming which is a large iPod Touch creating a new market aimed to combat the Kindle/PSP.

If that rumor is true, this is NOT a full OSX machine. It's more for internet and games, and I would bet it puts the price down around $800.

Whatever it is, it WON'T be as powerful as the current notebooks because they want something aimed at portability, which means thin, which means better battery life, which means less processor, which means it will bridge a gap in the Apple line up.

Gah. MaxiPod.... it's that time of the month.
 
I can't wait. I bet it will be like $1200. The most expensive netbook but hey its apple. All the tweens will be lining up to get one despite already having an iphone, ipod nano, ipod touch g1 & g2, macbook, and macbook air.

Hopefully apple wont disappoint and actually deliver a netbook with netbook pricing.
 
I really don't see why netbooks are so popular. They aren't that much more portable than a laptop, have poor battery performance, and can't do much anyway except internet and email. Heck, my iphone does that now and more with 3G connectivity.

Huh? What mushrooms have you been eating? Let's go through your claims one by one:

- About as portable as regular laptops. Wrong. Netbooks weight about half of the weight of normal laptops. For comparison: mecbook weights a bit over 1kg, whereas netbooks are usually about 1.3kg. They are also smaller, due to having smaller screen.

- Poor battery-life. Huh? 6-7 hours is "poor" battery-life? Granted, there are netbooks that only get about 3 hours or so. But there are models out there that have VERY good batter-life.

- "and can't do much anyway except internet and email.". Huh? The CPU in a netbook is perfectly capable of running whole lots of applications. There's NOTHING stopping you from running a word-processor, spreadsheet, IDE, image-editor or heck, even games, on the device!

- iPhone does everything netbook does. Maybe in theory, but not in practice. typing with a proper keyboard is A LOT faster than typing with a onscreen-keyboard. You can't multitask with iPhone, hell you can't cut&paste with the iPhone!

IMHO, the iphone is the ultimate netbook. Sure the screen is small and the keys are virtual, but a netbook doesn't provide much more benefit in this regard. The iPhone is ultra portable, does email, surfs the web, pictures, video, music, messaging, etc., etc., plus with the itunes and app store, it can do a whole lot more than any netbook could

This might come as a shock, but.... Netbooks can basically run ANY Windows (or Linux)-app that is available. As good as the appstore is, I bet that it's loses badly if we start to compare diversity of available apps....

Wifi only netbooks are limited in their use, while a 3g connected iPhone is connected everywhere

um, lots of netbooks are sold with 3G....

A netbook without a wifi connection is pretty limited.

Every single netbook has wifi. And even if you do not have a wifi-connection, netbook is still a perfectly usable computer. It has enough performance to run just about every desktop-app out there.

Eventually, people will want more performance out of their netbooks. This is what a laptop is for.

Netbooks have plenty of performance. And by your logic, why should I buy a Macbook, when Mac pro has more performance? There is a point when you do not need more performance. For about 90% of the tasks I do, 1.6Ghz Intel Atom would be more than suitable.

Sure, laptops have even more performance. But they also cost more, they are bigger and heavier and they have poorer battery-life.

Apple already has a netbook, in fact they have 2. It's called the iPhone and iPod Touch.

You are compeltely, utterly wrong.
 
Yes, I can. And I have tried it on other devices. If it's a very wide 10" screen (think more like the Sony Vaio P and HP Mini 1000, where they went very wide and not very tall), I think it would work quite well the way I've described it. And I've done similar with my Samsung Q1 Ultra in portrait mode (which is a 7" screen, but still gave me plenty room to grow the device).

I honestly don't see how that woudl be ergonomic. Even if you did manage to reach all the keys, you would be holding the device in your hands. That would get tiresome fast.

Not to mention the fact that the keyboard would take about 1/3 of the available screen-space, leaving less space for the content....

I don't see them accepting the aesthetic trade off of a convertible tablet (design wise, they're all a little on the ugly side).

And most PC-laptops are ugly as well, does that mean that Apple-laptops are ugly as well? Point is that just because existing swivel-screen tablets are ugly, does not have to mean that Apple-designed device has to be ugly as well.

So, that leaves pure tablet or touch screen netbook. And, frankly, I own a Raon Everun Digital Note, and I wouldn't want to see a 10" version of it as an Apple product.

The deivce wouldn't be Raon Everun Digital, it would be an Apple product, with Apple design. And I just checked what that device looks like. It's terrible. It's pointless. It's stupid. It's a solution looking for problem. Apple netbook would NOT look like that by any stretch of the imagination.
 
I honestly don't see how that woudl be ergonomic. Even if you did manage to reach all the keys, you would be holding the device in your hands. That would get tiresome fast.

If you go back and read my post that started this side-discussion, you'll see that I gave tasks which are light on typing (or indicated I would only using this type of virtual keyboard for light typing), and that I would use an (external) physical keyboard for heavy typing. Exactly because thumb typing (virtual or physical) gets "tiresome fast".

Not to mention the fact that the keyboard would take about 1/3 of the available screen-space, leaving less space for the content....

For the tasks I gave, it would be fine to temporarily lose 1/3 to 1/2 of a 10" screen for quick input. For real input, and situations where I need more screen real estate, would be a situation where I'd probably pull out a real keyboard ... which is going to require the same flat surface that a laptop would require anyway.

And most PC-laptops are ugly as well, does that mean that Apple-laptops are ugly as well? Point is that just because existing swivel-screen tablets are ugly, does not have to mean that Apple-designed device has to be ugly as well.

a) Apple Laptops are not significantly more pretty than non-Apple laptops. They're just cleaner.

b) I don't see a way to make a "pretty" version of a convertible tablet/swivel screen laptop. Apple might prove me wrong on this, I just don't see it happening.

The deivce wouldn't be Raon Everun Digital, it would be an Apple product, with Apple design. And I just checked what that device looks like. It's terrible. It's pointless. It's stupid. It's a solution looking for problem. Apple netbook would NOT look like that by any stretch of the imagination.


Where did I say it would look like the Digital Note? I was criticizing the format, not the exact implementation/design. When I said "an Apple version" of it, I specifically meant "take that format (touch screen netbook without tablet mode), and apply Apple designers to it". I still wouldn't want to see the result. When you want to use it as a tablet, the keyboard is in the way. When you want to use it as a laptop, pointing is annoying. The format itself is crap, IMO. Design refinements from Apple aren't going to improve it.

Mythbusters may have proven that you CAN shine sh*t/polish a turd, but no matter how much of a fanboy you might want to be, Apple can't turn a turd into gold.

The only way to save it is to find some way to make it into a convertible tablet design. A swivel screen is one way to do it. A360 degree hinge (so that the keyboard folds entirely behind the screen) is another. But without a tablet mode, no way is that format going to work for me. Apple pretty or not.
 
tablet as input device

The thing that no one's mentioned afaict (though I didn't read all 17 pages) is that a tablet device could also be a tremendous input device when coupled with either a laptop, imac or mac pro. Along the lines of what jazzmutant has with the lemur controller; completely configurable, for any given app. This would be amazing for photo/design apps, musicians, video editing, you name it. Which is essentially Apple's core market. I think that they already have patents on this kind of stuff.

If they get me a touchscreen input device that I can decouple from my machine and take with me as a video player, internet device and ebook reader, I'm buying, and I frankly don't care if it's 5, 7 or 10 inches in size.
 
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