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Hey maybe we'll get iWork 09 and iLife 09, a new Mac Mini with display port and imacs with display port. That would leave MacPro for display port - introduce new netbook (Steve said they had great ideas if they were going there) a better TV (replace the other pieces under my tv, dont add one - or just make TV a TV that does everything TV does - and more) and finally 8GB iPhone for 99 exclusively at walmart, 16GB for 199 and 32GB for 299.

Plenty of stuff that coud be announced - anything revolutionary? well jeez, they've revolutionized so much, they can't do it everytime - but if they have colored sox for the MacBook AirI'm so buying them - and I don't even have a MacBookAir.
 
How much ancillary product vendors can there be for a company thats basically become a glorified cell phone manufacturer?

I think that Apple is the only one. But they have done a great job with it so far. I never expeced for the iPhone to get this many sales.
 
I don't think this recession is going to be as easy to get out of as the government would like to claim. The trillions spent on the bailouts has to be paid back you know, the fed doesn't just give out free money. Therefore even if the US economy does start to pick up, it's only a matter of time before the system collapses in on itself from the never-ending debt.

That being said, I want to see something from Apple that's bold and revolutionary. Not quite sure what but they are one of the only company's with the balls to do that.
 
I exhibit at NAB (Vegas) every year and the "space" is the cheapest part. Union bull and insane prices for even the most basic stuff is what makes us seriously consider not going back every year... but we go back... and we hate it again. We really don't get any new business out of it, it is more the attitude that if we aren't there some of our clients will see this as the company being in financial trouble. It's obvious that the era of the tradeshow is finally dying, THANK GOD!

I can't imagine doing a trade show in all that mess. I worked at one here in Orlando and the vendor was able to do their own thing setting up and tearing down. The Crew for the 80% of the vendors did the rest.

I'm not a union fan at all - and if the guy sweeping the floor makes $100/hr..... dang, i should have been having DH commute 5 hours up the coast when we lived out there.

ON the MW Pullouts, i'm sad - but it does indicate to me the lack of "punch" that MW has had on the COMPUTER side of things. I know that the rest of us have wanted computer stuff - not iPod, not iPhone. That focus apparently isn't going to come back with Adobe and Belkin pulling out :(
 
Yep, this economy is really hitting hard. About the only good thing about a recession, is for those that still have jobs. with lower gas prices and retailers having to drop prices to make sales - it is easier to pay down dept and get good buys on stuff. Of course Medical Costs and Food continues to sky-rocket.

Trade shows are rediculously expensive. I remember when Microsoft came to town back in 2000, when I was working in Charlotte. Even though we did not use the technology, the Hospital System I was working for paid $100+ per the 4 of us to go and listen to the spiel on the new .NET they were coming out with.

As far as Trade shows getting smaller? I even heard this years auto-show is going to be blah. Ford, GM, and Chrysler may not have any new concept cars to show.

I do think this recession is going to be long lasting. We have been in it for over a year, every day there is more news of downturns and job loses, plus all the mney the govenment is trying to pump into the economy will have to be paid back to china (that is who we are borrowing the money from). No wonder their economy if booming. We borrow money from them, that has to be paid back with interest, to buy their products. :rolleyes:

I had a feeling with no rumors, that this years macworld may be blah. So much for hoping for some wishful products.....
 
anything revolutionary? well jeez, they've revolutionized so much, they can't do it everytime

Actually, they seem to be able to do it less and less. The ipod was revolutionary, and Apple was still able to crank out top notch Macs. But since Apple started working on the iPhone, for many years now nothing about Apple's computers have been majorly improved, let alone revolutionized. (wow, they changed how they built the metal part of their laptop cases. truly amazing improvement for the end user. *sarcasm*) In fact in many major ways Apple's current computers are worse today than they were in the past, with fewer ports (firewire removed and no other port put in its place) and fewer options (glossy or matte option is gone completely).

Apple has put all of its energy into the ipod and iphone over the past years, and let its computers begin to rot. I sincerely hope that Apple DOESN'T put out any revolutionary new products over the next few years, because they clearly are unable to keep up well with the product lines they already have.

Apple needs to stop adding new products to its line up, and start focusing on improving the quality of the product lines they already sell.
 
Apparently, trade shows are notoriously expensive because it's a closed market system (specific suppliers, contractors, unions, etc).

Take a look at this old blog post from 2005 by Paul at Rogue Amoeba. He noted that to rent a wastebasket was $19.50 per day with a $38 a day charge to empty it!

Macworld Editor Jason Snell even commented that a plate of cookies is $100.

I know Alex Lindsay (of Pixel Corps and MacBreak Weekly) has mentioned several times that you can't even set up your own table or chair because of the union contracts.

Others have said that you can't carry in your own boxes of materials.

http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Article/Airport-Economics-2005-12-15-18-00.html

Yeah, union contracts can be to blame in part... but also the need for profit from the folks that run the Moscone Center.... if Mac World is anything like FOSE and other shows that companies I have worked with are an indication - shows like this are grab fests of folks looking for freebies of any sort and leads to few actual sales...
 
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This is crazy but I guess it is evidence of the current economic times that we are in.
 
It's ironic. This economic cluster-duck has been great for my business. I design and update mall directories. With great store turnover, directories have to be updated more frequently which is some nice coin for me. Business has never been better.

Again I say: ironic.

Yes its a bonanza for psychiatrists , bankruptcy lawyers, repo men.

Just not the trade show bloodsuckers I guess
 
Actually, they seem to be able to do it less and less. The ipod was revolutionary, and Apple was still able to crank out top notch Macs. But since Apple started working on the iPhone, for many years now nothing about Apple's computers have been majorly improved, let alone revolutionized. (wow, they changed how they built the metal part of their laptop cases. truly amazing improvement for the end user. *sarcasm*) In fact in many major ways Apple's current computers are worse today than they were in the past, with fewer ports (firewire removed and no other port put in its place) and fewer options (glossy or matte option is gone completely).

Apple has put all of its energy into the ipod and iphone over the past years, and let its computers begin to rot. I sincerely hope that Apple DOESN'T put out any revolutionary new products over the next few years, because they clearly are unable to keep up well with the product lines they already have.

Apple needs to stop adding new products to its line up, and start focusing on improving the quality of the product lines they already sell.

I remember something someone said to me back in the early to mid-1990's. I do not know where he got his information from, but basically he said:

"Oh about the year 2000 or so, things will start to slow down with computers, as there really will be nothing new they can do"

what I think he was referring to was the fact from 1980 through that time, every new computer could do more and more. Now, seriously, other than touch technology (and some improvments could be made on voice), what else is there for the average consumer or even some businesses? I think that is why most companies are focusing on mobile handhelds, or specific niche items. They day of the desktop is going by the wayside. One day (although far in the future) laptops probably will too. I mean how many companies are scaling back their I/T dept and out-souring or getting in contractors. Or like me, working remotely from home. I worked for a few companies still using Pentium 2 or 3 systems and office 97. the newer stuff was maybe a couple of servers to house all the applications that ran through a browser.

I been to a few local shows (mostly smaller companies or stores) that decided to get together. It has been blah. Back in the 1990's, I used to go to computer shows all the time (when I used PC's mostly and built my own). there were some big companies and a lot of local vendors (used to fill entire fair grounds and you had to go 2 days to see it all [thus why they stamped your ticket to come back the next day for only $2]). I could get new or not that old (ie 6 months to a year) top-of-the-line equipment at a good price.

Now? the last few computer shows I went to (before switching my entire platform to Apple) were nothing more than flea markets. Boxes full of software that was 3 or more years old (I only bought a couple, because they were specialty things - or I was working for a company still using the older technology and I needed my own copy), used books on 4-6 year old technology. I was looking for a laptop. Most were abused (notice I did not say used). Missing Keys, broken latches, not boot up, with signs saying you are buying "as is". Most of the vendors said "if you are looking for something decent, here is a flyer with our phone number (yeah, a small retailer in Nevada or Michigan.. Like someone in North Carolina wants to buy from a no-name retailer 1/2 way cross the country, and for a system they put together that did not even bear the store's logo).


What worries me, is with trade shows being so expensive, usually held when people can't go (ie normal weekday instead of a weekend event), and less companies wanting to flip the bill to send their employees - the only shows will be on the internet. Problem I see with that? How can I get sense of the product without seeing it, touching it, playing with it. Pictures and doctored up videos do not give a true picture. Before switching to apple, I used to go to the Apple store and play with them (for about 6 months). then when I had the money, I knew exactly what I wanted. Too many times I bought something on the internet, and then when it came - it was not what I expected.

That is what worries me about no more local trade shows, closing stores (or stores moving to online only), etc.

So when you say Apple is focusing too much on the iphone and not enough on mac;s. To one point I agree, but other than Dell (who atleast tries to make their systems look good and new) I really see much of the same from other companies. Not much in the line of computers really excites me anymore. Now, it is just - ok, what system and software will meet what I need to do. At one time I wanted the latest and greatest (because it was better), now well... It seems that no matter what I buy (PC or Apple) new or a year or two old, still pretty much performes the same - maybe a little faster.

Last couple of years - computers on all fronts have missed the WOW factor. Only Apple has come out with some things that make me go hmmm....
 
Just conduct the show online, its would be cheaper for Apple and Company. Trade Shows are history and this downturn will only garner more reasoning.

I was thinking the same thing. For years I both visited and worked on vendors stands (including Adobe). Flying half way around the World from UK to do so. The costs were enormous, flights, hotels, meals on top of the outrages fees for everything at the shows. Getting a 19" Sony Trinitron there was a fortune and yes, as others have said, the waste baskets, extra small table, cloth for said table etc. were pure robbery!

However, back then there was no other way to reach so many potential clients. Today we have the internet with all its facets for exhibiting products. These trade shows are really a left over from another era. Nostalgic as I am for the atmosphere of the Mac World shows, both San Francisco and Boston, they really are no longer necessary. The economic downturn may be the final straw, I suspect we may be seeing the last of them some time soon.

In a related way, I have cancelled my Mac magazines this year too. Not because I don't enjoy them but because they are already several months out of date by the time I get them. It is the same thing, time to move on and let the old ways go. Reading the Mac World Web Site version it should be right up to date and won't have "December Issue" on the front page in October!
 
I have a funny feeling that we are in for a, "Apple is telling venders not to skip MWSF this year because of big product announcements."


Just a feeling. Now that I've said it, it won't happen.
 
I even heard this years auto-show is going to be blah. Ford, GM, and Chrysler may not have any new concept cars to show.

Word in my industry is that they will be drastically smaller shows with little to no production value when compared with previous year's efforts. A lot of lighting guys who live almost completely off of auto shows are updating their resumes as we speak.
 
i'm surprised that so many here are willing to believe that a janitor makes $100 an hour based on one supposed informal comment. what blue collar worker in this country make $100 an hour? and why aren't more people falling all over themselves to do those jobs? :rolleyes: even the most inflammatory estimates for autoworkers fall around $70 per hour, and that includes far more than their hourly wage, which itself computes to somewhere between $50-60,000/yr. moreover, i'm sure you're all aware that unions have no control over prices set by employers. whoever is employing that floor sweeper is taking home a nice chunk of change for the services he provides. on the other hand, if someone can produce a pay stub for that gentleman i will happily eat me words.

more to the point, i imagine the recession will begin to impact these niche markets more and more as time goes on. i'm curious to see how apple's holiday sales will compare with previous years.
 
SF is a nightmare place to participate in a trade show. Everything from taxicabs to parking to hotels is outrageously expensive. Then you begin dealing with the highway robbers who run Moscone Center, and you soon realize your booth fees constitute a tiny fraction of the overall investment in having trade show presence. The unions are beyond larcenous. Even the smallest booth costs about $150 to have vacuumed, a ten-minute job! I once had a guy with a broom stop for a moment in front of my booth as he swept up after a show. He paused and grinned, "I make $100 an hour! God bless America!"

And a floor-sweeper made that kind of money because fools like me were willing to pay it.

I know, some of these prices are pretty ridiculous. But on the other hand, think of it this way: it might take him 10 minutes to vacuum YOUR booth, but your one out of how many booths he has to vacuum? If he was charging $100/booth, that's outrageous.

Also, it might be an easy enough job to do, but would you really want to do it for 8 hours a day (saying that that is your only job)? Not many people would say that they'd want to vacuum floors, clean toilets, & other custodial work 8 hrs/day everyday. Plus, if every custodian quit, do you know how awful life would be? So they should be paid a good amount to do stuff no one else wants.

Okay, I'll admit, during the summers off from college, I worked for my high school's buildings & grounds department. Lots of lawn mowing, moving desks & painting rooms. $8.21/hr, 40 hours/week. Now that I'm out of college, I'm a union man too (computer techie at an elementary school). So I know how much (tedious) work these guys have to do. But on the other hand, I also see how other unions basically steal from the companies they work for in the trade shows.

Hey maybe we'll get iWork 09 and iLife 09, a new Mac Mini with display port and imacs with display port. That would leave MacPro for display port - introduce new netbook (Steve said they had great ideas if they were going there) a better TV (replace the other pieces under my tv, dont add one - or just make TV a TV that does everything TV does - and more) and finally 8GB iPhone for 99 exclusively at walmart, 16GB for 199 and 32GB for 299.

Let's just hope the keynote's not going to be 115 minutes of glorifying the iPhone even more and 5 minutes for Macs/Mac OS X. Especially if those 5 minutes are used to say "You know what, the iPod & iPhone are doing so well, we're shutting down our computer devision and focus on only the iPod & iPhone. Our computers had a good run." I know, scary, isn't it?
 
The move is deemed especially surprising for Belkin, which has not only been one of Macworld Expo's largest exhibitors in the past but is believed to have already paid for its booth space this year, people aware of the situation say.

Like Bob said, this isn't really that shocking. The booth rental is one of the smaller expenses.
 
So what if Belkin paid for its booth space, thats only a small fraction of the cost of a trade show.

Apple should be ashamed at their Black Friday sale. With the economy the way it is, their Black Friday sale was a joke...
 
Just conduct the show online, its would be cheaper for Apple and Company. Trade Shows are history and this downturn will only garner more reasoning.
Have to say that this was my impression as well. Everything should go online, including all the workshops and announcements. Fees to participate online should be priced at about $5 or based on the amount of workshops you attend.
 
It is the same thing, time to move on and let the old ways go.
Jesus said it best, "One does not put new wine into old wineskins." You are absolutely right in your assessment here. Those still attending shows are clinging to old ways and this business practice has another few years before it dies. During tough economic times, companies look for ways to cut fat, and nothing spells fatty more than an expensive and laborious trade show.

Apple needs to start :apple: Apple iCon and start it with a big bang of new products and announcements. Do it at a large theater (Flint Center?) with lots of pumped Apple users and broadcast it live via the internet for all to see and enjoy. Admission to the event alone would pay for all the expenses, and Apple Stores can set up live, outdoor projection feeds. THAT my friends, is the way to do it.
 
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