I've used this forum as one of my main sources of information as I try to decide how to upgrade my hardware so I thank all of you posters. My head is now spinning as I go back and forth between buying a refurb or a nMP. Even considered PC for awhile but I'm really trying to avoid it. I do motion graphics using after effects and C4d. I am on a mp1,1 and it's held up very well. Thus some brand loyalty. I guess a big question I have is, now i'm hearing I will need to upgrade my software too, something I can't afford to do and have concerns about upgrading all my plug ins. Is this true. does the nMP only support after effects cloud? Is the C4D included with that bare bones? Perhaps these are questions for the adobe forums, but I was hoping to get some insight into all this from someone that has had to upgrade their hardware. As a side note, why the heck is it so hard to find all this stuff out. I'm a professional that needs to do research on forums?! None of the manufacturers (apple,adobe,maxon) offer any information outside of hard specs and marketing.