motion+shake vs after effects

[richmon22]

what is the difference between motion+shake and after effects?

this one is really confusing me.

i would like to know how well they play with photoshop, illustrator and flash.

i would also like to know what is the most industry standard when it comes to advertising and film.

thanks for your insight,
rich

 

[faustfire]

Motion and AE are similar programs, mostly used for motion graphics and some compositing. AE is the standard when it comes to television/commercial motion graphics production. Motion is good, but still has a lot of growing to do.
I personally hate Motions interface.

Shake is a high end compositing program which until recently was one of the standards when it came to compositing for film,its development has been discontinued so many shops are in the process of switching to other programs.

AE is the hands down winner when it comes to integration with other Adobe programs.

 

[chelseasian]

I use both apps and each has its own pros and cons.

I like Motion because I can drop the mtn file directly onto my FCP timeline without having to render it, and if I make edits to the Motion file, the edits show up automatically in FCP.

It still has a lot of growing up to do as faustfire said. But the new version of Motion so far has been sufficient for me without using AE for a while.

AE is great with Adobe CS integration but you will need to render the file into .mov first before you can bring it into FCP to edit which can be a little time consuming.

I think most design houses uses AE more since it has been in the market longer but AE costs a whole lot more than Motion. I think Motion is becoming an alternative somewhat. I.e. AE costs $977 vs. Motion which is part of the Final Cut Studio 2 suite costs $1199. For about $200 more you get a whole set of apps.

 

[chelseasian]

Prices quoted below based on Amazon.com

 

[nickane]

Probably best to decide whether you're interested in Visual FX compositing or Motion Graphics before asking a question like that, but what the hell, I'll answer both.

I have never used Motion, I've simply had a look at it. i haven't opened the new 3d version even though i've had fcs2 for a while now. I do know, however, that whilst After FX hasn't been the leading desktop compositing package for years, it still rules the roost in terms of motion graphics in what concerns logos, TV and advertising.

As for compositing, contrary to popular belief, Shake is still the industry standard for film and advertising (altho a lot of ads are still done on real-time packages with integrated hardware/software solutions akin to Avid suites, so that the client can sit in with the compositor - the most popular ones are Flame/Inferno, but they're dying out as computers become more advanced). Studios invested heavily in shake the moment support was dropped by buying the source code off apple. I have heard varying reports as to what will be the next big thing, and most ppl seem convinced whatever it is will take over before Apple's next compositing package appears sometime next year.

Most compositors hate After Effects for compositing, but it can do everything Shake does, and more besides (admittedly most of that more relates to motion graphics). It is not so conducive to big projects, however. It's workflow is not very helpful with complicated composites, which is why it is not as popular. However, there are many books (e.g. Advanced Studio Techniques written by a supervisor on The Day After Tomorrow) which outline how it can be used as a compositing tool and even companies that prefer to work with it (mainly in America, the only one I know of for sure is Stargate Digital, but I have seen others in job listings forums).

And obviously, yes, After FX is better at integrating with the rest of the Adobe Suite, but its not like Shake/Motion can't read .psd files. Shake, i think, can even separate out the layers of a photoshop file. They just don't have some of the bells and whistles you'd expect of a compositing/motion graphics package from the same suite.