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Motorola's New 'Moto Z' and 'Z Force' Smartphones Have No Headphone Jack
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Now that Apple's position as a follower is clear, Cupertino is likely breathing a sigh of relief. No longer first to innovate, no longer first to market, their obsessive profit taking is an ideal way to carry on.
What the actual.. Are you seriously asking that of people on the internet? Kindly and delightfully, No. (please be trolling)
"No one wants a thinner phone" "It's just an obsession that Apple / Ive has" "No one shares this obsession" Yet, here we are. It's a non apple, android based, thinner and lighter phone, that omits the headphone jack, and doesn't have a user replaceable battery. I bet it's bendable and probably has a 64-bit processor.
I'm thinking that something along the lines of cognitive dissonance is happening here. No you are not saying one thing and doing another. But, it certainly seems you are convinced of reality that doesn't exist even though it's staring you right in the face. You are saying / telling us what people "don't want" but non-apple's are producing non-iphones that thinner and lighter then Apple's 'obsession' driven thin and light phones. Samsung even excluded the "necessary" SD card on their flagship Galaxy S6.
I guess we'll see how it sells.
Which is why it didn't sell well.
https://www.google.nl/search?q=s6+sales
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https://www.google.nl/search?q=s7+sales
I don't really have a foot in this race -- it's an observation. It's a question I have. If -- "No one wants a thinner, lighter, non-replaceable battery, no headphone jack, 64-bit processor, etc...." phone -- why spend the engineering time, money, resources, effort, marketing, etc to produce such a phone.
This isn't the first time that Apples "obsessively" thin and needlessly light iPhone has been one-up'd.
I'll ask, again, what I (in the past) previously ask. I was surprised myself when I learned about Samsung's Galaxy S6. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Samsung always been criticizing Apple? Even produced TV commercials that stated, for practical purpose, "Buy our phones. We don't do the stupid **** that Apple does. See we put the headphone jack on the top of the phone." Is that not correct?
So I'm legitimately confused why they'd do an about face. And, essentially, "start doing the stupid **** Apple does". Was the S5 not selling well?
If I had to guess, then I'd say that in general thinner and lighter phones are more desirable. Hence why non-apple are producing non-iphones which are increasingly thinner and lighter and even, specifically, effort is even placed on beating Apple.
No HP jack = no sale. The "thinness" thing has gone too far when it interferes with basic functionality.
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So what will you do when all of the mobile phone makers drop the headphone jack too?
Lightening port has no advantage over usb-c and could be considered a USB-C LITE, so therefore doesn't make sense to include on an a macbook when the same space can be taken by a usb-c.
If apple introduced lightening ports on the macbook range I can see many repairs/returns as people try to insert usb-c plugs into lightening sockets and vice versa.
Its commendable that apple introduced it 3 years ago but tbh I saw little benefit It didn't seem to back up my iPad mini any faster than my android phone.
USB-c and lightning do not come close to being able to insert into each each other such that they will cause damage. And the speed at which your iPad and Android back up to your computer have nothing to do with Lightning's strengths as a connector for a mobile device.
There are many benefits to having Lightning on a MacBook, but the primary reason is this:
Apple is not going to make the customers of their biggest selling product use an adapter in order to plug in their new Lightning headphones into another new Apple product.
Never had a problem with headphone cables except either very cheap types, or just 1 pair of apple headphones, but they had a tough life as I used them everyday for almost 2 years before things went wrong so fair enough. Ive had 2 phone4s charging cables give me random electric shocks - 1 from a frayed cable (wasn't used enough to go wrong) and the other I can't explain why as both fine and cable appears physically fine. Cable quality will be reflected in the price range you pay for them. You get what you pay for if you buy from recognised quality manufacturers.
Also your argument doesn't stand up. If Lightening headphones become a new standard, then they will have the same massive economies of scale issues you mention.
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Assuming all other ports are usb-c as per rumours suggest then you may have a point, I don't believe it but Im just guessing too. Even if they add a lightening port, there is still room for a headphone socket.
Maybe they will drop lightning and go all usb-c. Is there any technical advantage of lightning over usb-c, that will motivate Apple staying with usb-c?
Hi I also don't know of any technical advantage, do not believe there is one, so doubt they would include lightening in place of a usbC.
I don't particularly care if they introduce Lightning on a MacBook, but you are flat out wrong that Lightning is nothing more than "USB lite".
You may have saw little benefit, but Lightning did so much more than change the connector shape. It also seems like you neither understand what USB-C really is, how it's different from USB 3.1, nor what the technologies underneath these ports really are.
Lightning will not become the new standard. The new standard is wireless. lightning is a transitional interface. Besides, Apple controls Lightning, and can ensure certified cables are built to certain specs, so standard cables will never be as inexpensive as standard 3.5mm cables, but quality Lightning cables are in the same price range as quality 3.5mm cables. Unlicensed Chinese manufacturers sell cheap Lightning cables now, and people get what they pay for, and that will continue to be the case.
Yes of course there will be. Apple is eliminating the headphone jack to make more room in mobile devices. If a device is large enough, I don't see a reason for Apple to remove a 3.5mm Jack that's already there. Their biggest selling product is the iPhone, and the device that is the most space constrained. So Apple iPhone customers will be put into the position of using Lightning for wired headphones, and they will have to accomodate those users natively on every Apple product. But Macs are purchased by Android users too (as are iPads), which far outnumber iPhone users. So it's in Apple's best interest to keep headphone jacks in everything else as long as possible. The rMB will lose its headphone jack, but the MBP doesn't have to. There's a chance even the iPhone Plus could keep its headphone jack as well, giving some customers a reason to spend more money and upgrade as well.
And here's the thing ... If Apple puts a Lightning port on its MacBooks, it expands the use of Lightning by non-Apple customers. Even though I maintain Lightning, nor USB-C, is a replacement for 3.5mm audio, to the extent there is a standard transitional interface, making Lightning more commonly used outside of iOS devices can't hurt Apple's chances.
[doublepost=1465746357][/doublepost]I second that. Copper cables are used heavily in the music industry to carry innumerable signal-types. Have been. Will be. No latency, and audio quality is translated perfectly. The day guitarists happily plug in their instrument using a USB-C or Lightning connector, we'll talk. Until then, this move is BS.