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devilot

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Another mod said it very well (er, if you change apps for movies or something like that :p):

If you are up/downloading for the purposes of piracy, you'll get no help here.


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Just a note to remind posters that the discussion of how to pirate copyright material or where to obtain such material is forbidden on MacRumors, and such discussion will be deleted.

Discussion of the Torrent systems and Apps is not banned per se as there are legal uses of torrents.

Please limit your discussion to apps and avoid discussing piracy.
 

madagi

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Honestly, it's not that hard to find some sites if you just Google for iPod torrents or what have you... but here's the thing... iTunes truly is the best place for videos (or any content for that matter) for your iPhone/iPod and here's why...

  1. You're getting high quality content that's sure to be complete and encoded properly.
  2. It's easy to find pretty much anything you want in one location.
  3. You're supporting the company that's working hard to provide you with the wonderful hardware that gives you the ability to watch these movies on the go.
With that all being said, if you have the time... my recommendation would be to buy the DVD then use tools to encode it yourself to a format the iPhone can play. That way you get the best of both worlds. Not the answer you were looking for but that's just my 2 cents.
 

tjespo22

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never posted anything about a bill.. i tried handbrake..didnt work. after it look 20hrs to convert it.. what am i doing wrong? should itb take that long to co nvert to ipod format? it was only like 1 hr long
 

diabolic

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3. You're supporting the company that's working hard to provide you with the wonderful hardware that gives you the ability to watch these movies on the go.
Also, the higher the sales numbers of movies on iTunes are, it's more likely they will get better and newer movies.
 

The General

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I hate to be devils advocate, and if this is breaking any rules then mods please delete this post immediately.

I have to disagree with everything you listed, sir.

[*]You're getting high quality content that's sure to be complete and encoded properly.
Not true. iTunes downloads are not even DVD quality, wheras pirates (like me) have access to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray rips. Don't even get me started on the poor audio quality (only stereo??) ...

See for yourself, the difference is obvious:

iTunes:

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720p Blu-Ray rip (there are even 1080p rips, but I generally don't get them):

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[*]It's easy to find pretty much anything you want in one location.
I guess you've never used a torrent site before. Choose wisely, and you'll be able to find anything you want, in any format you want, unencrypted and for free. All in one place. Including some stuff that isn't even available to buy at the quality you can get it in. See below.

[*]You're supporting the company that's working hard to provide you with the wonderful hardware that gives you the ability to watch these movies on the go.
Like I don't support them when I go watch the movies in the theatre or on TV?

Here's another good example, Battlestar Galactica. You can't even buy HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs of the TV show. You can either get iTunes, or slightly better DVD quality. Yet, pirates like me, get to download Universal HD rips of the show which look much better and have way higher resolution.

iTunes ($1.99, encrypted):

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Univseral HD(free, unencrypted):

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Note that some episodes from iTunes aren't even 16:9, they're pan and scan. That is unacceptable. Now, I am by no means telling this guy to go find a torrent site and start stealing movies, but I am very sure of what my stance is on the matter.
 

diamond.g

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Yeah according to handbrake forum that is the expected time on an ibook g4. From what I understand the higher the quality the slower the encode. I would paste the link but I am typing this on my iPhone so there is no copy paste. I could email it to you if you want.
 

lilnyc

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Now, I am by no means telling this guy to go find a torrent site and start stealing movies, but I am very sure of what my stance is on the matter.
*running to my favorite Bit Torrent* I love pirates, um, of the Caribbean :D
 

madagi

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Before I start my rebuttal, let me just point out that I did say that if he had the time he should obtain the DVDs and encode them himself... however you obtain the DVD is up to you. With that being said...

Not true. iTunes downloads are not even DVD quality, whereas pirates (like me) have access to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray rips. Don't even get me started on the poor audio quality (only stereo??) ...

See for yourself, the difference is obvious
Only stereo? Sorry, I wasn't aware the iPhone supported 5.1 dolby digital surround. And yes, video encoded on your own has the potential to be of *higher* quality because you have complete control over it... thus my recommendation to go that route if you have the time to search for DVDs on torrent sites (or buy them from the store) and manually encode everything yourself. Fact is, the quality of the iTunes videos IS good (at least in my opinion... to each their own) and, while it may not be as good as the videos manually encoded on your own... it saves people time who don't have the knowledge/time/desire to buy/download the movie and encode it themselves. If I'm going to be watching a DVD on a 3" screen I personally am not worried about having 1080p or even 720p quality. This is all a matter of opinion though I suppose. I'll take the smaller (lesser quality) file that can quickly be downloaded and put on my iPhone over the larger (higher quality) file I had to spend hours finding/buying/ripping/encoding.

I guess you've never used a torrent site before. Choose wisely, and you'll be able to find anything you want, in any format you want, unencrypted and for free. All in one place. Including some stuff that isn't even available to buy at the quality you can get it in. See below.
I'm well aware of how torrents work and yes there is much more content available on the web than in one store (iTunes) but that does not nullify my argument that most of what people want can be found in iTunes. Notice I say *most* and not "everything under the sun."

Like I don't support them when I go watch the movies in the theatre or on TV?
I don't think you understood what I was referring to here. I said you're supporting the hardware vendor (that being Apple). I don't see how you're supporting Apple by watching TV or going to the theater.

Now, I am by no means telling this guy to go find a torrent site and start stealing movies, but I am very sure of what my stance is on the matter.
Funny, because after reading your post I would have been inclined to ignore the legit/legal way of obtaining content for my device and started looking for illegal torrents. My case and point, look at the 2nd post after yours.


I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to point out that I believe you misinterpreted my original post... I was trying to *discretely* inform the OP that there ARE torrent sites and alternatives to iTunes but as the moderator in this thread stated "If you are up/downloading for the purposes of piracy, you'll get no help here." So while indicating ways to find better quality movies ("...it's not that hard to find some sites if you just Google for iPod torrents" and "...my recommendation would be to buy the DVD then use tools to encode it yourself...") I was trying to point out some of the benefits to the legal way of downloading movies.
 

diabolic

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I was trying to point out some of the benefits to the legal way of downloading movies.
The main benefit for me is time. I normally don't have time to rip and encode or search and download movies. For me at least, the ease of iTunes downloads far outweighs the need for highest quality, especially on a iPhone or iPod. If I want to watch a movie on my 1080p system with Dolby Digital, I'll record it in HD on my DVR or buy it.

I do wish they had more movies on iTunes and fully expect HD content to be available soon. But as a time vs. money issue, between family time and work, a few hours of searching, downloading, or ripping and encoding costs me a lot more money than just buying a movie on iTunes.

It's the same reason I have moved away from using my media center PC and bought an Apple TV for my kids. Ease of use and no time wasted configuring, tweaking and customizing. I used to enjoy that part, but not too much any more.
 

madagi

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The main benefit for me is time. I normally don't have time to rip and encode or search and download movies. For me at least, the ease of iTunes downloads far outweighs the need for highest quality, especially on a iPhone or iPod. If I want to watch a movie on my 1080p system with Dolby Digital, I'll record it in HD on my DVR or buy it.

I do wish they had more movies on iTunes and fully expect HD content to be available soon. But as a time vs. money issue, between family time and work, a few hours of searching, downloading, or ripping and encoding costs me a lot more money than just buying a movie on iTunes.

It's the same reason I have moved away from using my media center PC and bought an Apple TV for my kids. Ease of use and no time wasted configuring, tweaking and customizing. I used to enjoy that part, but not too much any more.
Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make and I couldn't agree more.
 

Sobe

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I use a tivo, and tivo desktop plus.

seems to work great, just watched a law & order re run and it was about as good quality as you can hope for on a screen that size.
 

The General

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Only stereo? Sorry, I wasn't aware the iPhone supported 5.1 dolby digital surround.
Ever heard of the AppleTV? :rolleyes: iTunes movies come with stereo sound, yet the AppleTV supports 5.1 discreet AAC audio channels and 1280x720p video. Why, then, does iTunes sell 640x480 stereo videos?

Buying and ripping DVDs doesn't make up for that either. Ripping a DVD will give you 5.1 sound (if you like) and still only 720x480i/p.

iTunes is not a good place for movies.

Fact is, the quality of the iTunes videos IS good (at least in my opinion... to each their own) and, while it may not be as good as the videos manually encoded on your own... it saves people time who don't have the knowledge/time/desire to buy/download the movie and encode it themselves.
The quality of iTunes is not good. Read my post above for a comparison. The movie quality from iTunes is just BARELY better than that of YouTube and similar sites. It really is a joke! :rolleyes:

If I'm going to be watching a DVD on a 3" screen I personally am not worried about having 1080p or even 720p quality.
I had my AppleTV plugged into a 52" 1080p display. Movies from iTunes? Crap. Movies ripped from DVD? Crap. Blu-Ray/HD-DVD rips from torrent sites? Fabulous.

Sure, iTunes movies on an iPod look acceptable ... but that doesn't mean that iTunes has good quality movies. iTunes delivers piss-poor quality movies. Read my post above for examples.

This is all a matter of opinion though I suppose.
How? Look at the pictures! If you are saying that you prefer the small, low bitrate, low quality movies from iTunes over the HD rips, then you are bluffing. No doubt about that.

I don't think you understood what I was referring to here. I said you're supporting the hardware vendor (that being Apple). I don't see how you're supporting Apple by watching TV or going to the theater.
True. My apologies. But, at the same time, I support them by buying the iPhone/AppleTV/iPod/Macs/etc. If I buy a car from Lexus, am I to be expected to buy fuel from Lexus? No.

Apple doesn't need the $0.25 the make on movies. They make billions on everything else. Maybe if the MAFIAA would cut Apple some slack, so that Apple could start selling de-DRM'd movies at 1280x720p with 5.1 audio and no excess compression artifacts, for $2 I might consider that a deal and start buying movies from them.

Until then, I'll stick with torrents.

Funny, because after reading your post I would have been inclined to ignore the legit/legal way of obtaining content for my device and started looking for illegal torrents. My case and point, look at the 2nd post after yours.
It's my prerogative, and I am not pushing it on anyone. I don't like people making uninformed decisions based on marketing and lies on internet forums. That's what it is, to. A lie. iTunes delivers low quality movies, and you said they are high quality.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to point out that I believe you misinterpreted my original post... I was trying to *discretely* inform the OP that there ARE torrent sites and alternatives to iTunes but as the moderator in this thread stated "If you are up/downloading for the purposes of piracy, you'll get no help here." So while indicating ways to find better quality movies ("...it's not that hard to find some sites if you just Google for iPod torrents" and "...my recommendation would be to buy the DVD then use tools to encode it yourself...") I was trying to point out some of the benefits to the legal way of downloading movies.
The only points I was refuting were the three you made about iTunes. Anyway, my point has been made. Movies from iTunes are poor quality, and I prefer getting HD rip torrents. Now you can make an informed decision about where to get movies.

You know that you can get torrents that are higher quality than iTunes, but you also know that it is "convenient and legal" to get movies from iTunes. It's your choice, not mine. Have fun.
 

NightStorm

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Ever heard of the AppleTV? iTunes movies come with stereo sound, yet the AppleTV supports 5.1 discreet AAC audio channels and 1280x720p video. Why, then, does iTunes sell 640x480 stereo videos?
Did I miss something? Unless you're talking about the ability to hack AAC 5.1 playback into the AppleTV (which I haven't been following and may/may not be possible), I'm pretty sure the AppleTV does not support discrete 5.1 audio playback. It's entirely possible that it could in the future though...
Apple doesn't need the $0.25 the make on movies. They make billions on everything else. Maybe if the MAFIAA would cut Apple some slack, so that Apple could start selling de-DRM'd movies at 1280x720p with 5.1 audio and no excess compression artifacts, for $2 I might consider that a deal and start buying movies from them.
You are completely right... all the studios want is that extra $.25 and they'd do away with all DRM, especially on HD movie downloads. The fact of the matter is, you will never see a legal non-DRM download system for HD video. $.25 extra isn't going to change that fact. And it will certainly cost more than $2 for the DRM-protected versions. Seriously, DRM isn't all that bad as long as you know what you are buying into in the first place. I've never had a problem with Apple's DRM system, and honestly never see it being an issue for me.

Seriously, I agree with you, quality is great... that's why I purchase my Bluray and HD-DVD discs for playback, and use my AppleTV when I just want to watch something and could care less if it isn't "perfect". I'd love for Apple to offer HD movies for download, and I'm sure they will some day.
 

The General

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Did I miss something? Unless you're talking about the ability to hack AAC 5.1 playback into the AppleTV (which I haven't been following and may/may not be possible), I'm pretty sure the AppleTV does not support discrete 5.1 audio playback. It's entirely possible that it could in the future though...
If you have an AppleTV and a DTS receiver, put one of these DTS sample files on your AppleTV:

http://www.diatonis.com/downloads_dts_ac3.html

You did miss something.

You are completely right... all the studios want is that extra $.25 and they'd do away with all DRM, especially on HD movie downloads.
I think you misunderstood me.

The fact of the matter is, you will never see a legal non-DRM download system for HD video. $.25 extra isn't going to change that fact. And it will certainly cost more than $2 for the DRM-protected versions.
Really? So if everyone decided not to buy DRM'd content, do you think they'd just be like "whatever?"

Seriously, DRM isn't all that bad as long as you know what you are buying into in the first place. I've never had a problem with Apple's DRM system, and honestly never see it being an issue for me.
DRM is a restriction that restricts honest buyers, and does not affect pirates like me. I can do whatever I want with my movies. Can you? Can you burn your iTunes movie to a DVD whether or not you need or want to? Can give your 6 kids iPods and buy the movie once and put it on all 6 iPods? Or are you limited to just 3 devices ... :rolleyes: DRM is broken. It is designed to restrict piracy, doesn't, and ends up only restricting the honest buyer.
 

yayaba

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If everyone had the same logic that the companies out there didn't need our money and that they make their billions from other places...

well... then the companies wouldn't be making any money at all. Sure, what they offer might suck but you also don't need to be advocating piracy. Do what you will on your own time but don't flaunt it on boards.

The world only works when everyone plays nice. If no one downloaded movies from iTunes or supported the service, then Apple wouldn't be able to offer anything. It's not like the prices they are asking for are out of this world.
 

The General

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If everyone had the same logic that the companies out there didn't need our money and that they make their billions from other places...

well... then the companies wouldn't be making any money at all.
They don't make money on iPhones, iPods, Macs, etc? Only iTunes? Oh, well where do I go to get my free Macintosh?? I'm SO there!

Sure, what they offer might suck but you also don't need to be advocating piracy.
Who's advocating piracy?


"You can get good quality movies from torrents" = advocating piracy?

Advocating freedom (anti-DRM) = advocating piracy?

AppleTV supports 5.1 = advocating piracy?

Do what you will on your own time but don't flaunt it on boards.
Flaunt it? I'm telling you the truth. If you buy a movie from iTunes, you are being restricted by DRM and is pretty low quality. That's a fact. If you download a pirate movie, there is no DRM and can be very high quality. That's also a fact. I don't see how this is flaunting it, I'm merely stating facts.

The world only works when everyone plays nice. If no one downloaded movies from iTunes or supported the service, then Apple wouldn't be able to offer anything. It's not like the prices they are asking for are out of this world.
The movie industry needs to play nice by removing the restrictions they impose on honest buyers. The prices they are asking ARE out of this world! With the exception of the recently de-DRM'd EMI music, everything they sell is sold at a ridiculous price. You pay $.99 for something and they don't even give it to you! They hold it in their hand and let you look at it. If I wanted to pay for nothing I'd donate to a charity, go to the theatres, or a concert. When I buy music, I expect it to be mine. If I want to put it on a cassette tape, so be it. If I want to put it on 1 million different devices, so be it. If I want to send it to my friend for free, I should be able to. I don't want to be restricted, and I want high quality music and movies. So, I buy CDs and rip them, and download HD rips of tv shows and movies.

I don't see what the big deal is ... I get what I want. If they sold de-DRM'd HD movies, I'd buy them!
 
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