John-F

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I had been a Spotify Premium customer for several years. I had been waiting for an app for the AW but prior to the AW 3, I always had my phone with me so the lack of a Spotify AW app was not a big problem.

Over the past many months, many people in their forums have asked. The only response was “not at this time”. There was no indication of any kind of intent. Some thought that Apple was preventing them from issuing an app, but to me that did not seem likely. Remember all the trouble Microsoft got into when they bundled their browser. They did not prevent other browsers from being used, but made it inconvenient to change default browsers. So if Apple had prevented Spotify from fielding an app, that would have been much more egregious. And even if that were the case, Spotify would have likely made their attempt and legal dispute public.

So to me, the logical conclusion was Spotify has not been interested in an AW app.

Although I have been a long-time user of multiple Apple products, I did not initially jump into Apple Music just because it was Apple. But now there was a reason and I want to explain the process I used and my opinion.

I signed up for the 3 month trial subscription with Apple Music and moved all my playlists from Spotify to Apple Music using an iPhone app, SongShift. The free version will move up to 100 songs per playlist. The process went smoothly. There were a few songs that did not move, but SongShift identified them. In all cases, I browsed in iTunes and found the songs and put them in the playlist. I don’t know why the few songs did not transfer automatically. It might have been a specific release in Spotify was not in Apple Music, or possibly there was a different spelling or abbreviation in the title or artist or album. But in any event it wasn’t a big deal.

Everything works fine in the iPhone and AW. The other way I used Spotify was to play songs from my MacBook to my home sound system wirelessly using the Gramofon device. I could find nothing that indicated Gramofon could be configured to work with iTunes so I got an AirPort Express, and it works great.

This is subjective but I prefer the iTunes and iPhone interfaces over Spotify. There are laid out with more room and easier to see from a distance.

I have already cancelled Spotify Premium and will get the annual Apple Music plan when the trial period is up. Paid that way, Apple Music is cheaper than Spotify.

By the way, I participated in the Spotify Community Forums and was involved in questioning the lack of a Spotify AW app. All ok until I posted the above and it was promptly deleted. Maybe I should have only posted my questions and not my actions, but whatever. I did say that I had nothing against Spotify, but their interests and mine diverged so I took action.

Anyway, I hope this is useful, and I don’t expect it will be deleted here. LOL
 
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tonyr6

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Apple Music blows away Spotify sound quality. Spotify also drains your phone battery like crazy like you are streaming live music when it is really all on demand.

The main issue though is the lack of any support except Airplay, no Chromecast, Echo support or web player and no those useless remove DRM solutions online I keep getting when doing a simple Google search should be removed. They are illegal.
 
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Jjayf

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I subscribe to Apple Music and I like it generally except for a few issues I will discuss below. These are things to consider before making the leap. For you, it’s already too late.

Apple Music is pretty much the single only reason I haven’t moved on to android. I have so much time, effort, and money tied in to my music and Apple products that moving away now is not an option I feel is worth the hassle. Once your in heavy, your in.

If you have a mixture of purchased music, music you have brought over from another platform, and Apple Music, it gets... complicated. Apple library intertwines with your existing music. Having one or two songs from a specific album then downloading the entire album creates a mixture of a DRM nightmare. Apple Music will download and fill in the tracts from the rest of the album you don’t own, and playback in specific situations gets messy. This results in duplicated tracks from time to time or even duplicate albums in the library.

Syncing your own music with iTunes is not possible with iCloud music library. Although a different topic, if you have iCloud library enabled to enjoy Apple Music across all your devices, you loose the ability to sync with iTunes.

Steaming Apple Music to Audio devices is not allowed. I wirelessly stream albums and playlists (over WiFi) to my high end home system and have multizone functionality. I can play music from my device in my yard to different zones indoors and out. Apple Music will not stream, so playlists are incomplete. There are work arounds for this such as Bluetooth or airplay to Apple TV, but it’s inconvenient and I loose some functionality of my home system as well as audio quality deterioration.

These things are not deal breakers, but are just things to be aware of. I’m currently investigating investing in a Bose SoundTouch or similar audio solution for the future, but slide to Apple musics streaming issues, the choices are pretty limited currently.
 

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I also recently switched from Spotify to Apple Music, as I bought the LTE watch and wanted music on my runs outside without my phone.

I am frustrated by a few shortcomings in Apple Music compared to Spotify.

1) No syncing of play status. In spotify, I can be playing a song on my computer, pause, leave my desk and open the app on my phone and it picks up where I was. This does not work in Apple Music across iTunes, TV, Phone, Watch etc. It is a minor annoyance, but it is there.

2)The playlists and Genres are... strange. Indie has songs I've never seen identified as Indie in any other music service, radio or satellite music platform. The playlists often go from YEAH! to what the heck? within 3 songs.

3) Cross platform is limited. I have a few Echo devices, a few Google Homes, an Xbox, Amazon Fire, and I can get Spotify on all of them. Guess how many can use Apple Music? And yes, I know its an Apple Service, so why aren't you using Apple devices, but the HomePod is STILL not out. I like my smart home devices. Its nice to have lock in, and if they have an Android app, why can't they support a few more options?
 

John-F

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I subscribe to Apple Music and I like it generally except for a few issues I will discuss below. These are things to consider before making the leap. For you, it’s already too late.
Good points for people to consider, but it's not already too late for me because those were not issues in my case.

By the way, AirPlay to the AirPort Express works great over WiFi to my home sound system.
 
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Apple Music is pretty much the single only reason I haven’t moved on to android. I have so much time, effort, and money tied in to my music and Apple products that moving away now is not an option I feel is worth the hassle. Once your in heavy, your in.

Apple music is available on Android and works pretty well. I subscribe to both Apple Music and Spotify and can't really decide which I prefer! Spotify wins on interoperability with other systems (and it also works on my car head unit as a native app). Apple music has fewer restrictions on number of offline tracks and tracks in your library and is far better for integrating tracks that you add from music you own.

I really ought to pick one and stick with it but I find things to enjoy with both :)
 
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John-F

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One other thing .... never tried this with Spotify, but with the Apple Music app in my iPhone streaming to a bluetooth speaker at home if my hands are wet and I don't want to handle the iPhone, or steaming to my car system via bluetooth while driving, I can say Hey Siri: play previous song, play next song, play a particular song, play something by (a particular artist), make louder ....
 

tonyr6

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I don't like Bluetooth it is too reliable. If it was on the 5ghz band it would be better but where I live the 2.4ghz band is a wasteland. I even have issues with wireless mice and keyboards. I had to get wired versions of them too.
 

Uofmtiger

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I also recently switched from Spotify to Apple Music, as I bought the LTE watch and wanted music on my runs outside without my phone.

I am frustrated by a few shortcomings in Apple Music compared to Spotify.

1) No syncing of play status. In spotify, I can be playing a song on my computer, pause, leave my desk and open the app on my phone and it picks up where I was. This does not work in Apple Music across iTunes, TV, Phone, Watch etc. It is a minor annoyance, but it is there.

2)The playlists and Genres are... strange. Indie has songs I've never seen identified as Indie in any other music service, radio or satellite music platform. The playlists often go from YEAH! to what the heck? within 3 songs.

3) Cross platform is limited. I have a few Echo devices, a few Google Homes, an Xbox, Amazon Fire, and I can get Spotify on all of them. Guess how many can use Apple Music? And yes, I know its an Apple Service, so why aren't you using Apple devices, but the HomePod is STILL not out. I like my smart home devices. Its nice to have lock in, and if they have an Android app, why can't they support a few more options?

1. I don't know why Apple hasn't implemented something similar to Spotify Connect. They have the Remote app that gives you a handful of features, but I want full access to Apple Music/Itunes computer from the iPhone.

2. I don't know what this means, but I don't think I have run across it.

3. I have Echo Dots and just use Bluetooth in those situations (you lose multi room audio, but I rarely have a need for it). I use Airplay for more concentrated listening. I don't see Apple adding their service to a lot of other platforms. They would rather sell you hardware like the upcoming HomePod. They are a hardware company first and unless that changes, I doubt we will see it on the Echo...like Spotify (which is only a music service company).

The main upsides for me are the ability to access my home library when I am home via the app (Home Sharing), Siri, and For You.

Siri gets dismissed quite a bit around here because it is not as good as Google Assistant. That doesn't mean it doesn't work good enough once you figure out what Siri needs to hear to play something. I now use Siri on the watch, via CarPlay, and on my other Apple devices. Siri is just a lot better than digging through menus when you are in the car or when you are listening with Airpods or Beatsx on.

At work, I usually connect my iPhone to Bluetooth and put it aside. Then I just use the watch to tell it what to play. That isn't a feature for other music services.

iTunes Match was also a lead into Apple Music. I already had all of my music on Apple's servers and it was easy to just give them Apple Music access. I pay Amazon to upload my library and I still haven't got the service to load up everything. It just stops working before it is done and I have to manually restart it. It is slow to load and it is frustrating to say the least. I had similar issues with Google. I think these services don't like it when music is sitting on a NAS. Apple had no such issues with my music.

The other thing is the fact that it works with AppleTV 4 (and its version of Siri). When I am watching a podcast (or something) on the AppleTV and want to hear music, it is nice to have Apple Music on there with all my playlists and albums recently added to my collection. I have used Spotify on the Roku and the experience was awful in comparison.

Anyway, they both have upsides. Since I use so many Apple products, I prefer Apple Music. I also have a YouTube Red account, so I have access to Google Play Music. Google Assistant can control what plays on that service, but it isn't compatible with so much of my other stuff that I never use it. Siri with AM works good enough for my needs.
 

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Siri gets dismissed quite a bit around here because it is not as good as Google Assistant. That doesn't mean it doesn't work good enough once you figure out what Siri needs to hear to play something. I now use Siri on the watch, via CarPlay, and on my other Apple devices. Siri is just a lot better than digging through menus when you are in the car or when you are listening with Airpods or Beatsx on.

At work, I usually connect my iPhone to Bluetooth and put it aside. Then I just use the watch to tell it what to play. That isn't a feature for other music services.

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Anyway, they both have upsides. Since I use so many Apple products, I prefer Apple Music. I also have a YouTube Red account, so I have access to Google Play Music. Google Assistant can control what plays on that service, but it isn't compatible with so much of my other stuff that I never use it. Siri with AM works good enough for my needs.
I have seen articles showing Google Assistant is superior, but the tests I looked at did not test the capability to interact with apps. Instead it consisted of questions like "How fast do Jaguars run." I'm thinking that for the apps I use, which would be my most common use of Siri, that it would be best.
 

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I have seen articles showing Google Assistant is superior, but the tests I looked at did not test the capability to interact with apps. Instead it consisted of questions like "How fast do Jaguars run." I'm thinking that for the apps I use, which would be my most common use of Siri, that it would be best.
Since it is the only one built into iOS, it doesn't really matter if there are differences. I rarely ever open the Google Assistant app because I don't ask a lot of questions like you posed above and Siri works fine for my typical needs. If you haven't done so, check out MKBHD's video comparing the assistants. Siri does better than a lot of people around here would lead you to believe.
 
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John-F

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Since it is the only one built into iOS, it doesn't really matter if there are differences. I rarely ever open the Google Assistant app because I don't ask a lot of questions like you posed above and Siri works fine for my typical needs. If you haven't done so, check out MKBHD's video comparing the assistants. Siri does better than a lot of people around here would lead you to believe.
Thanks. I will check that out.
 
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