i just downloaded omniweb to give it a try. infortunately when i went to update my homepage at apple itools, a message from apple says" this browser isn't supported". that really sucks! i guess it's back to IE
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Mozilla gets an aqua makeover!
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AL and the OW rage.
To AmbitiousLemon...
While I agree that Mozilla renders much faster than OW, rendering speed is not the only issue a person has to deal with on a daily basis.
Take Java. Mozilla will frequently crash when using Java applets, especially media streaming Java applets
Take compatibility. While Mozilla is better than OW, MOZILLA HAS RENDERING PROBLEMS!!! No matter what propaganda you push on me, I still go to pages and have it render it improperly. And your claim (though probably exaggerated) that OW doesn't render correctly 50% of the time is just ridiculous. Try 5%.
Take Aqua. Mozilla doesn't fully support Aqua. Try scrolling with arrow keys in Mozilla and look at the scroll bar. It flickers and wobbles. Not a real Aqua component, just a pic (of sorts) of the component drawn by Mozilla. No beautifully drawn text, either. Chimera brings the dream of an Aquafied Mozilla into view, but a full release with *full* compatibility is a ways off.
Finally, back to speed. The fact is that except on *extremely* large pages, Mozilla is only faster than OW by about a second. And the gap has been closing for quite some time. And other functions in Mozillaare simply lagging OW (like scrolling, for example--brutally slow--Pinstripe is better, but still slow).
TWO POINTS...
First, I agree that Mozilla is a great browser with great potential. But it has not yet realized its full potential. Chimera is also a great effort that will hopefully bring all of the speed and developing force behind Mozilla to Mac OS X proper. I am truly excited about these efforts and what might come from them.
Second, DON'T UNDERMINE THE EFFORTS OF THE GOOD FOLKS AT OMNIGROUP!!! You act as though the browser is completely useless. Nothing could be further from the truth. With the sneakypeeks, I can use OW almost 100% of the time and it almost never crashes or needs to be restarted nor renders pages incorrectly (I've never had it render a page unusable). Thats about as good as I can say for IE and better than I can say for Mozilla--just try extensive Java use!. And it looks absolutely beautiful with a minimal lack of speed--speed is comparable to that of IE (maybe better).
For me, Omniweb (sneakypeek, that is) has the most complete set of features with the look and feel I want from a browser. Aesthetics are important to me--once you go antialiased you never go back! Omniweb is good and is consistently and rapidly getting better...JUST LIKE MOZILLA IS!
I appreciate your points, Mr. Lemon, but your constant attacks against Omniweb and your overzealous trumpeting of Mozilla is really getting on my friggin' nerves.
Matthew
To AmbitiousLemon...
While I agree that Mozilla renders much faster than OW, rendering speed is not the only issue a person has to deal with on a daily basis.
Take Java. Mozilla will frequently crash when using Java applets, especially media streaming Java applets
Take compatibility. While Mozilla is better than OW, MOZILLA HAS RENDERING PROBLEMS!!! No matter what propaganda you push on me, I still go to pages and have it render it improperly. And your claim (though probably exaggerated) that OW doesn't render correctly 50% of the time is just ridiculous. Try 5%.
Take Aqua. Mozilla doesn't fully support Aqua. Try scrolling with arrow keys in Mozilla and look at the scroll bar. It flickers and wobbles. Not a real Aqua component, just a pic (of sorts) of the component drawn by Mozilla. No beautifully drawn text, either. Chimera brings the dream of an Aquafied Mozilla into view, but a full release with *full* compatibility is a ways off.
Finally, back to speed. The fact is that except on *extremely* large pages, Mozilla is only faster than OW by about a second. And the gap has been closing for quite some time. And other functions in Mozillaare simply lagging OW (like scrolling, for example--brutally slow--Pinstripe is better, but still slow).
TWO POINTS...
First, I agree that Mozilla is a great browser with great potential. But it has not yet realized its full potential. Chimera is also a great effort that will hopefully bring all of the speed and developing force behind Mozilla to Mac OS X proper. I am truly excited about these efforts and what might come from them.
Second, DON'T UNDERMINE THE EFFORTS OF THE GOOD FOLKS AT OMNIGROUP!!! You act as though the browser is completely useless. Nothing could be further from the truth. With the sneakypeeks, I can use OW almost 100% of the time and it almost never crashes or needs to be restarted nor renders pages incorrectly (I've never had it render a page unusable). Thats about as good as I can say for IE and better than I can say for Mozilla--just try extensive Java use!. And it looks absolutely beautiful with a minimal lack of speed--speed is comparable to that of IE (maybe better).
For me, Omniweb (sneakypeek, that is) has the most complete set of features with the look and feel I want from a browser. Aesthetics are important to me--once you go antialiased you never go back! Omniweb is good and is consistently and rapidly getting better...JUST LIKE MOZILLA IS!
I appreciate your points, Mr. Lemon, but your constant attacks against Omniweb and your overzealous trumpeting of Mozilla is really getting on my friggin' nerves.
Matthew
Just one more thing...
I thought I'd pull a Columbo.
The download manager!!!!
I absolutely hate the separate-window-for-each-download concept in Mozilla/Netscape. I love having a static window where all of my downloads are and I can abort them and restart them.
I love this feature in both IE and Omniweb.
Matthew
I thought I'd pull a Columbo.
The download manager!!!!
I absolutely hate the separate-window-for-each-download concept in Mozilla/Netscape. I love having a static window where all of my downloads are and I can abort them and restart them.
I love this feature in both IE and Omniweb.
Matthew
wow talk about rage. you need to chill out bro. you go and dig up a long dead thread to go on that tirade? jeez id say someone has a serious problem. did mozilla eat your baby or something?
as i said many times i started off using ow. i still download the sneaky peeks as soon as they come out. but for me the browser is useless. it renders nearly every page i visit incorrectly. i have never had mozilla render a page improperly and have never had to use another browser when using mozilla. alos mozilla is faster. and just like you said once you go AA you cant go back well once i touched real speed i couldnt go back, everything else just feels laggy to me. dont attack me for letting people know about mozilla because most people havent heard of it. most people hadnt used pinstripe (and yes those are real aqua components so dont make that argument) and most people dont know about Mach-O builds and mozilla's nightly builds. im just sharing information and sharing my experiences so no need to blow your top at me.
what it really boils down to is i try omniweb and just cant use it. it feels slow to me and despite the nice AA and spellchecking (boy do i need that) if i cant view webpages or if webpages are all distorted its just not worth it. im glad that some people have lower standards and find ow useful because they get to use some great features that i dont, but dont attack me for sharing the better alternatives.
as i said many times i started off using ow. i still download the sneaky peeks as soon as they come out. but for me the browser is useless. it renders nearly every page i visit incorrectly. i have never had mozilla render a page improperly and have never had to use another browser when using mozilla. alos mozilla is faster. and just like you said once you go AA you cant go back well once i touched real speed i couldnt go back, everything else just feels laggy to me. dont attack me for letting people know about mozilla because most people havent heard of it. most people hadnt used pinstripe (and yes those are real aqua components so dont make that argument) and most people dont know about Mach-O builds and mozilla's nightly builds. im just sharing information and sharing my experiences so no need to blow your top at me.
what it really boils down to is i try omniweb and just cant use it. it feels slow to me and despite the nice AA and spellchecking (boy do i need that) if i cant view webpages or if webpages are all distorted its just not worth it. im glad that some people have lower standards and find ow useful because they get to use some great features that i dont, but dont attack me for sharing the better alternatives.
Bah!
I'm just cranky cause this thread was so anti-OW--and I didn't dig it up. It showed up on the front page thanks to foofan. And this is the second time we've gotten into this...
Anyway, I've got only one question for you...can you point me to a site OW renders incorrectly? I simply don't have that problem.
And BTW, I resent the accusation that I have lower standards because I use Omniweb. If you would have taken the time to read the whole post above, I give what I believe to be the pros and cons of OW and Mozilla. In the end, I believe OW to be the better browser. If anything, I'm passing up Mozilla because I have higher standards.
Matthew
I'm just cranky cause this thread was so anti-OW--and I didn't dig it up. It showed up on the front page thanks to foofan. And this is the second time we've gotten into this...
Anyway, I've got only one question for you...can you point me to a site OW renders incorrectly? I simply don't have that problem.
And BTW, I resent the accusation that I have lower standards because I use Omniweb. If you would have taken the time to read the whole post above, I give what I believe to be the pros and cons of OW and Mozilla. In the end, I believe OW to be the better browser. If anything, I'm passing up Mozilla because I have higher standards.
Matthew
http://chimera.mozdev.org/
ok i just thought it would be funny it use that as an example. there are a lot more... let us not for get apple store
ok i just thought it would be funny it use that as an example. there are a lot more... let us not for get apple store
Huh.
I guess this is why I don't find anything wrong with Omniweb...
I've been there before and didn't notice anything wrong. I had to compare it against a Mozilla rendering to see any difference. And while Mozilla does it right (and Omniweb doesn't), its not like the page is unreadable. I guess I don't take that much of an objection.
Matthew
I guess this is why I don't find anything wrong with Omniweb...
I've been there before and didn't notice anything wrong. I had to compare it against a Mozilla rendering to see any difference. And while Mozilla does it right (and Omniweb doesn't), its not like the page is unreadable. I guess I don't take that much of an objection.
Matthew
BTW
I've been secretly using Mozilla off and on for the last week or so. I want to like it, I really do.
I hope Chimera can bring me everything I want from a browser. What I think will happen, is that Omniweb and Chimera will end up being very in speed/functionality someday.
Matthew
I've been secretly using Mozilla off and on for the last week or so. I want to like it, I really do.
I hope Chimera can bring me everything I want from a browser. What I think will happen, is that Omniweb and Chimera will end up being very in speed/functionality someday.
Matthew
i have to agree with you here. althou omni renders most pages in correctly you can usually still use them. the apple store is a glaring exception to this and there are others but for the most part it just garbles things a little. sometimes it will just ignore blocks of texts so if you dont know its missing you wont notice. or it rearranges items and ignores dynamic portions of websites. i have to admit its usually not an issue for me. but since mozilla does it right and does it faster i dont bother with omniweb. still i love the look and the spellchecker... ooooh the spellchecker. i also really miss tabbed window browsing when using omni. if omni had tabs i might be able to use it. but mozilla speed is very addictive. so i hope you can see i go back and forth a lot on this stuff. but i end up taking functionality over looks. i just tested out sparkleytone's build of chimera. damn its fast. hard going back. and if you use Mach-O mozilla builds again, damn thats fast browsing. but again i choose functionality. chimera and Mach-O builds just have too many issues. So its mozilla. i think the best thing about mozilla is i never need another browser. so many people who use omniweb keep ie around just in case but i trashed ie a long time ago. never need it and thats enough reason for me to go mozilla. but from that sneak peek at chimera [now navigator] i think the .2 build will make it the best browser and maybe i can get rid of mozilla. navigator will kinda be all the best features of mozilla and omniwebnow how can we say no to that?
If you're really looking for speed, how about iCab? Kinda buggy, but there's no way it isn't by far the fastest OS X browser there is.
*Ducks*
Alex
*Ducks*Alex
Originally posted by alex_ant
If you're really looking for speed, how about iCab? Kinda buggy, but there's no way it isn't by far the fastest OS X browser there is.
Alex
as far as fastest we dont know. the speed tests on the chimera website are our best guess but they dotn do opera, lynx, or iCab. an iCab test apparently cant be done because iCab claims to have pages loaded before it loads images. Still from my experience Chimera is faster, but it again not really far since chimera isnt yet a usable browser as iCab is.
When people say "fastest," what do they mean? Page rendering speed? I guess I meant that iCab had by far the fastest page scrolling speed (i.e. dragging the scroll elevator). Not that its rendering is slow either, though. I haven't seen those test results, but why didn't whoever was conducting the test just time how long it took for iCab's little car icon to stop animating rather than to take iCab's word for when it was done loading the page?
Alex
Alex
BTW. I have all the above mentioned browsers on my mac and pretty much everything thats been said is true. I keep coming back to OW because it looks so good and I'm so shallow.
Incidentally, Dr. Lemon, I was wondering...you mentioned blocks of text being left out by OW...could that be due to the Preference setting that blocks certain ad-type sections of a page?
Incidentally, Dr. Lemon, I was wondering...you mentioned blocks of text being left out by OW...could that be due to the Preference setting that blocks certain ad-type sections of a page?