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Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.5
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Is anybody else having the problem of having a small light-yellow box appearing next to the cursor at random moments? I can't catch a screenshot of it unfortunately, but it's annoying that it keeps happening all the time.
The conversation spanded into more browsers because of Parapup. By misreading Mozilla Based for FF. Flock is avliable for linux you just have to install it manually.
And KHTML is a wild and untamable beast incorporating parts from kPart and Bonobo while trying to attach itself to ActiveX features. A fork is a Fork, they are created when someone doesn't like what someone else is doing.
Can I ask have you ever gotten the Grey box of flash death when more than one flash instance is running?
Ctrl-click on a blank area of the main toolbar and go to Customize, then check Small Icons. That helps a lot. I'm not a fan of the giant Back button to be honest.
Tables are not recommended for layouts.
I haven't use linux for a while, when I did, I noticed such problem, although Im not sure if the grey box is part of the problem of compiz fusion.
I don't think this should be blamed on firefox, flash support isn't good from adobe on mac too, on top of that, linux distroes does not provided adequate support if users were to download and install browsers from vendor's websites, they are expected to use the pre-installed browsers. Which is fine to certain degree.
If there is anything mozilla can do, you can submit bug report any time you want, but I do not think firefox can include non-open codes like flash in its release. 3.5 does include ogg codecs tho. Which I hope helps the situation a bit, albeit ogg still needs more improvement.
Crap!
It is fast but it sucks. You can't edit the names, there is no spellchecker and moving the tabs the way you can do with Safari is ********!
I can easily change whatever I want on my Safari bookmarks with EASE but the FF doesn't have that swag. What's up with that?!And one would think FF would be ALL THAT given its open source status. Damn FF, take that crap back to the drawing board and get your game RIGHT!!!!
It is fast but it sucks. You can't edit the names, there is no spellchecker and moving the tabs the way you can do with Safari is ********!
I can easily change whatever I want on my Safari bookmarks with EASE but the FF doesn't have that swag. What's up with that?!And one would think FF would be ALL THAT given its open source status. Damn FF, take that crap back to the drawing board and get your game RIGHT!!!!
What i do is run xmarks, which syncronises your bookmarks across all browsers. Firefox syncs with safari on your mac then that syncs with iphone - works a treat.
your statement is full of bs. Thats the only thing needs to go back to drawing board.
So you seem to have an agenda - you don't want to take the few minutes to verify if FireFox is the problem at all - how much Real Memory does Activity Monitor Report for FF and do a google search to find that all the browsers including Konqueror support Flash and Java but you do want to spend time writing about how everything other than Safari is slop.
I really like it so far. It opens much faster and does not seem to be hogging my cpu as much (of course, that may just be because I wanted so badly for it to be less needy.)
I have both Safari and Mozilla Firefox sitting right next to each other on my dock. They actually get along very nicely.
Safari is my default browser, because I think it's UI is to die for. I love it.
But I use Firefox for anything involving video, or large downloads.
I get the best of both, whenever any competing software comes out, the consumer wins!!!
Safari is my default browser, because I think it's UI is to die for. I love it.
But I use Firefox for anything involving video, or large downloads.
I get the best of both, whenever any competing software comes out, the consumer wins!!!
Choice is good. It's great to have such fast browsers available like we have today. I like Firefox mostly because it is multi-platform and customizable.
Interface:
Most people complain about Firefox but in fact it's basically their inability to change habits or find the right answers. Firefox doesn't have to do this or that the way Safari, Chrome or Opera does just because you like them. It does things it's own way.
Safari is nice on the eyes, but mostly because it integrates the system very well on the Mac. You can't please everyone and Firefox allows you to change things to the way you want it. Find Firefox ugly? Get a new theme, there are hundreds. Just an example if you want to try to get the Safari look in Firefox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6124
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6174
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12156
Still not enough? Read about userChrome.css and you can tweak it all you want. You don't have to do it...but you can, and that's something Firefox is unique about.
Don't like the "plus" button for new tabs? Edit userChrome.css in your profile and add:
.tabs-newtab-button {display:none !important;}
Speed:
I have been using optimized builds of Firefox 3.5 for Mac and I find them very fast and responsive, probably more than the stock Firefox but i haven't tested it accurately in any way.
You can get them here:
http://www.latko.org/
I believe a browser needs to be fast and responsive. This isn't a race, it just needs to do things quickly and whitout an annoying lag. What if it takes 83ms more to render a page on a benchmark? Does that matter? Do you notice that?
Most people look at benchmarks and say "X seems faster" and it can be just placedo effect or some other factor affecting the comparison.
Memory:
Someone said that Firefox should release memory when you close a tab. It doesn't and it shouldn't, because it is not the way it works. It caches pages from the tabs you closed so you can quickly restore closed tabs and use the forward/back navigation.
If you want, you can tweak this behavior. There are settings and extensions that can do that. Again, part of the beauty of Firefox.
I'm not saying that Firefox is not without memory problems, but I believe they have been much worse in the past and are mostly caused by bad extensions. Speaking of which...
Stability:
Someone said that addons are just text files, as in they don't affect stability. That is not true, I had an extension the other day that kept crashing my browser just by hovering one of it's menu entries. It is true that Firefox is as weak as the weakest of it's installed addons, but that is true for other browsers as well. Just start installing plugins in Safari and you'll see.
The problem in Firefox is that it has plenty of more extensions than other browsers and so their quality can be very good or very bad, and the more you install...bigger the chance of bugs and compatibilty issues.
That's were the user comes in and should choose wisely what to install, not to get their browsers bloated down to death. I recently started to remove some extensions and cleaning my profile and I can tell you I saw an increase in responsiveness and better startup times. Plugins like Flash can be guilty of crashes too.
In the end, if you have problems...try a clean profile. Or disable some extensions to try and find the guilty one. It's not rocket science, it's basic troubleshooting and every software has it's problems. Deal with it.
I'm not a Firefox fanboy, but I do use Firefox mostly and Safari every now and then. I like Opera aswell, it is a great browser and it's a shame more people aren't aware of it.
However, I think in some cases users fail to see and use some of the benefits of Firefox that can solve their problems, some don't even try...they just go back to what they had.
Interface:
Most people complain about Firefox but in fact it's basically their inability to change habits or find the right answers. Firefox doesn't have to do this or that the way Safari, Chrome or Opera does just because you like them. It does things it's own way.
Safari is nice on the eyes, but mostly because it integrates the system very well on the Mac. You can't please everyone and Firefox allows you to change things to the way you want it. Find Firefox ugly? Get a new theme, there are hundreds. Just an example if you want to try to get the Safari look in Firefox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6124
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6174
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12156
Still not enough? Read about userChrome.css and you can tweak it all you want. You don't have to do it...but you can, and that's something Firefox is unique about.
Don't like the "plus" button for new tabs? Edit userChrome.css in your profile and add:
.tabs-newtab-button {display:none !important;}
Speed:
I have been using optimized builds of Firefox 3.5 for Mac and I find them very fast and responsive, probably more than the stock Firefox but i haven't tested it accurately in any way.
You can get them here:
http://www.latko.org/
I believe a browser needs to be fast and responsive. This isn't a race, it just needs to do things quickly and whitout an annoying lag. What if it takes 83ms more to render a page on a benchmark? Does that matter? Do you notice that?
Most people look at benchmarks and say "X seems faster" and it can be just placedo effect or some other factor affecting the comparison.
Memory:
Someone said that Firefox should release memory when you close a tab. It doesn't and it shouldn't, because it is not the way it works. It caches pages from the tabs you closed so you can quickly restore closed tabs and use the forward/back navigation.
If you want, you can tweak this behavior. There are settings and extensions that can do that. Again, part of the beauty of Firefox.
I'm not saying that Firefox is not without memory problems, but I believe they have been much worse in the past and are mostly caused by bad extensions. Speaking of which...
Stability:
Someone said that addons are just text files, as in they don't affect stability. That is not true, I had an extension the other day that kept crashing my browser just by hovering one of it's menu entries. It is true that Firefox is as weak as the weakest of it's installed addons, but that is true for other browsers as well. Just start installing plugins in Safari and you'll see.
The problem in Firefox is that it has plenty of more extensions than other browsers and so their quality can be very good or very bad, and the more you install...bigger the chance of bugs and compatibilty issues.
That's were the user comes in and should choose wisely what to install, not to get their browsers bloated down to death. I recently started to remove some extensions and cleaning my profile and I can tell you I saw an increase in responsiveness and better startup times. Plugins like Flash can be guilty of crashes too.
In the end, if you have problems...try a clean profile. Or disable some extensions to try and find the guilty one. It's not rocket science, it's basic troubleshooting and every software has it's problems. Deal with it.
I'm not a Firefox fanboy, but I do use Firefox mostly and Safari every now and then. I like Opera aswell, it is a great browser and it's a shame more people aren't aware of it.
However, I think in some cases users fail to see and use some of the benefits of Firefox that can solve their problems, some don't even try...they just go back to what they had.
i have tree style tab 0.7.2009051501
and in prefernces under "appearance" in the "Tab bar position" section there is a "show 'open a new tab' button"
just deselect, magic
firefox pref ->advanced -> general
under browsing
"check my spelling as i type
i dunno, i have opened both at the same time now a bunch of times, safari owns it. maybe its because i have add ons, if i knew why it was slower i would love to fix it.
edit": i just tested this. firefox is running, safari isn't. safari opens faster than firefox when firefox is even running.
maybe im missing something, but all those do not work on 3.5 on osx.
check my post, all work on 3.5
It is definitely much better. It may not start up as quickly as Safari, but it's pretty close, and certainly a lot faster than the previous version.
Anyone who calls FF's implementation crappy clearly has not used it.
Anyone who calls FF's implementation crappy clearly has not used it.
What? Like the millions of iPhone apps with crappy implementation? I hope you don't use the same reasoning when you choose your OS as when you choose your browser. You plainly have little experience of Firefox or you wouldn't be saying such things.
I don't generally like to have or learn to use different programs to do the same thing. However, I have to switch back and forth between Safari and Firefox because to the access to different bank accounts.
One only works with Safari, the other two only work with Firefox.
Both work in Internet Explorer (win).
One only works with Safari, the other two only work with Firefox.
Both work in Internet Explorer (win).
Firefox a longtime favorite, but....
I have chosen Firefox over Safari time and again. But I just had to try out the latest versions of both. I did not expect the results. Firefox takes longer (I'm impatient) to load. Safari loads in a flash. And, to my initial disbelief, pages load faster in Safari than in Firefox.
So I've switched back to Safari for the sheer speed of it.
I'm using latest model Mac mini with 4g RAM.
Just to retest, I disabled Firefox add-ons WOT, the ad-blocker and Google gear, getting rid of all the add-ons I was using. Firefox seemed a bit faster, but still did not outpace Safari.
Did anyone else get similar results?
I have chosen Firefox over Safari time and again. But I just had to try out the latest versions of both. I did not expect the results. Firefox takes longer (I'm impatient) to load. Safari loads in a flash. And, to my initial disbelief, pages load faster in Safari than in Firefox.
So I've switched back to Safari for the sheer speed of it.
I'm using latest model Mac mini with 4g RAM.
Just to retest, I disabled Firefox add-ons WOT, the ad-blocker and Google gear, getting rid of all the add-ons I was using. Firefox seemed a bit faster, but still did not outpace Safari.
Did anyone else get similar results?