hey you guys, just wanted feedback on this issue. i recently bought a refurbished macbook pro 13" from apple. when i opened the box, it looked brand new, not a scratch. but then i turned it on and i got the mac startup sound followed a little later by someone saying "english" through the speakers, but thats all, nothing on the screen. i held down the power button and tried again many times, still nothing. i have since called apple and have shipped it back to them. i am now waiting on a replacement. i have to admit i am getting impatient. ive been wanting a mac for a while. have not owned an apple computer since apple IIc, windows machines since 1995. have never had to send anything back to a company like this but then again ive never bought refurbished before. anyway... just wondering if others have had such issues with refurbished apple products. i only know one person who has a macbook and they got it refurbished but its been running well for over 2 years. i have also heard many people say that refurbished is pretty much new and they sometimes say better than new because apple tests these systems so well. and sometimes people say refurbished is when someone opened the box and decided they didnt want the computer or that the computer had a scratch on it. so anyway whats the deal? is this way of thinking BS? or could it have been damaged during shipping or did apple not test it as well as people say. sorry if its an old topic. please respond.