I know how to do it in CS2... With the attribute panel and all, but it doesn't work in CS1 because the stokes palette does not give you the option to place stokes outside the object - so all strokes I add end up overlapping each other "canceling" out the stroke underneath it. I managed to "get" what I need by creating lots of layers and stroking each layer - but that method has it's qualms when being rotated and the like. That and editing 7 layers of text can be a hassle. Any advise for a CS1 user? Other than buy CS2