Apple has always felt a need to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes the result is good, other times it's baffling. This is one of those times when they chose an awkward soution for a problem that didn't exist.
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Multitasking = cumbersome?
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Apple has always felt a need to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes the result is good, other times it's baffling. This is one of those times when they chose an awkward soution for a problem that didn't exist.
worst multitasking management ever! .... they made us wait for years just for this!
I am streaming Pandora and would like to quit with one button press (like it used to) how do I do that ? ... long button hold like the jailbreak version ? NO!
I need to press home button
then double click home button
manually delete it from dock
press home button again to close dock
4 steps just to close an application... anyone who thinks this is the way you do multitasking is delusional fan boy who can't admit apple fukups...
and that's that!
I am streaming Pandora and would like to quit with one button press (like it used to) how do I do that ? ... long button hold like the jailbreak version ? NO!
I need to press home button
then double click home button
manually delete it from dock
press home button again to close dock
4 steps just to close an application... anyone who thinks this is the way you do multitasking is delusional fan boy who can't admit apple fukups...
and that's that!
Or you could pause it, then quit the application.
Or just pause it and NOT quit the application. I assume once it's paused that it loses its backgrounding privileges and goes into a frozen state.
OR you're just not smart enough to close Pandora. Double click scroll left then hit pause. Nothing to quit. It's not freaking windows.
Broseph.
Just pause it. Either from the app itself or from the widget.
that's it. that's all you have to do.
Not nearly as big a fan as I am of RTFM before I arbitrarily log on to a forum and begin complaining about the lack of features a device has.
Or you could pause it, then quit the application.
Or just pause it and forget about it, since it's NOT DOING ANYTHING. You should just think of the Multitasking Bar as a recently used app list. Any management beyond that is not required. It will not improve your performance or save on your battery life. Do yourself a favor; stop managing the apps yourself for a day or two, and see how it goes.
*There is a caveat with GPS apps. You will see the arrow in the top bar indicating the GPS app is running, but there is no obvious indication as to which app is causing it.
For a really good explanation about iPhone multitasking check out this:
http://whenwillapple.com/blog/2010/04/19/iphone-os-4-multitasking-explained-again/
http://whenwillapple.com/blog/2010/04/19/iphone-os-4-multitasking-explained-again/
I'd like to see Hard test data on that .... it uses no system resources, same as quitting, just stays on the dock ???! I call is BULLCHT!
If it uses nosystem resources why they didn't include multitasking on older devices ?
And according to my OWN testing on 3gs... multitasking (leaving apps on the dock) does affect battery and performance... but since it's been only a few days, I am not going to speak early on that one just yet....
so.. my point, it takes 4 actions to "QUIT" an application properly ...
That's apple's way of multitasking.... and that's what I call cumbersome!
Thank you for listening .....
btw... most apps do just quit because they haven't been updated for multitasking yet....
If it uses nosystem resources why they didn't include multitasking on older devices ?
And according to my OWN testing on 3gs... multitasking (leaving apps on the dock) does affect battery and performance... but since it's been only a few days, I am not going to speak early on that one just yet....
so.. my point, it takes 4 actions to "QUIT" an application properly ...
That's apple's way of multitasking.... and that's what I call cumbersome!
Thank you for listening .....
btw... most apps do just quit because they haven't been updated for multitasking yet....
I'd like to see Hard test data on that .... it uses no system resources, same as quitting, just stays on the dock ???! I call is BULLCHT!
If it uses nosystem resources why they didn't include multitasking on older devices ?
And according to my OWN testing on 3gs... multitasking (leaving apps on the dock) does affect battery and performance... but since it's been only a few days, I am not going to speak early on that one just yet....
so.. my point, it takes 4 actions to "QUIT" an application properly ...
That's apple's way of multitasking.... and that's what I call cumbersome!
Thank you for listening .....
Erm. Yeah.
Again: You have no idea what you're talking about.
On top of that: you're objectively, factually incorrect.
Furthermore: continuing in this vein will only secure additional mockery directed at you.
Finally: Look up "fast app switching" to learn more about how the process works and how you are wrong. Or don't and just continue being an ignoramus.
Oh: to explain the "why" there -- older devices don't support the pieces of multi-tasking where apps -are- actually running in the background...Pandora, for example, still uses resources if you let it continue playing music in the background. This is fairly obvious to anyone. On the other hand, an app such as Facebook, when you task out of it, literally doesn't do anything in the background. There is no need to "quit" it. I'm not sure how to supply "hard test data" in support of this fact, but then again I wouldn't know how to supply "hard test data" in support of the fact that things to the left of my body are to the left of my body, and that blue things are, indeed blue. It is extremely difficult to supply "hard test data" in support of blatantly obvious facts.
I'd like to see Hard test data on that .... it uses no system resources, same as quitting, just stays on the dock ???! I call is BULLCHT!
If it uses nosystem resources why they didn't include multitasking on older devices ?
And according to my OWN testing on 3gs... multitasking (leaving apps on the dock) does affect battery and performance... but since it's been only a few days, I am not going to speak early on that one just yet....
so.. my point, it takes 4 actions to "QUIT" an application properly ...
That's apple's way of multitasking.... and that's what I call cumbersome!
Thank you for listening .....
btw... most apps do just quit because they haven't been updated for multitasking yet....
It still uses RAM, but RAM doesn't waste CPU cycles and can easily be cleared or cached to the disk if necessary and ONLY when necessary.
Damn, there are some stupid people on MacRumors these days.
"Multi-tasking" on the iphone doesn't use any active resources (battery, cpu, etc.), the state of the application is saved to memory when the app is switched away from. This is what enabled fast application switching. Once memory fills up, older memory states are discarded.
The only "true" multi-tasking are by those services apple opened up - audio playback, GPS, operation completion, and I think two more.
The "multi-tasking not working on older devices" issue is a memory limitation, not a "multi-tasking takes resources" issue.
But honestly, why the hell is everyone so concerned with this? Yikes. Use your phone like a normal person. Go out tonight. Be with friends. Use the iPhone to take a photo. Listen to some music. Do something else. Call up a friend. See a movie. Stop obsessing over **** you don't understand.
Sheesh.
"Multi-tasking" on the iphone doesn't use any active resources (battery, cpu, etc.), the state of the application is saved to memory when the app is switched away from. This is what enabled fast application switching. Once memory fills up, older memory states are discarded.
The only "true" multi-tasking are by those services apple opened up - audio playback, GPS, operation completion, and I think two more.
The "multi-tasking not working on older devices" issue is a memory limitation, not a "multi-tasking takes resources" issue.
But honestly, why the hell is everyone so concerned with this? Yikes. Use your phone like a normal person. Go out tonight. Be with friends. Use the iPhone to take a photo. Listen to some music. Do something else. Call up a friend. See a movie. Stop obsessing over **** you don't understand.
Sheesh.
Sorry, we'll need "hard test data" in support of your controversial assertions.
I'd like to see Hard test data on that .... it uses no system resources, same as quitting, just stays on the dock ???! I call is BULLCHT!
If it uses nosystem resources why they didn't include multitasking on older devices ?
And according to my OWN testing on 3gs... multitasking (leaving apps on the dock) does affect battery and performance... but since it's been only a few days, I am not going to speak early on that one just yet....
so.. my point, it takes 4 actions to "QUIT" an application properly ...
That's apple's way of multitasking.... and that's what I call cumbersome!
Thank you for listening .....
btw... most apps do just quit because they haven't been updated for multitasking yet....
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread, so I'll try to clear it up a little with some testing I did.
First, MOST apps ARE NOT running when they are in the "tray", we'll call it (the tray that pops up when you double tap home). Apps that remember where you left off, typically do just that, remember where you were, save their state to the STORAGE memory (not the RAM), and close completely.
Other apps DO stay running for varying amounts of time. Some apps stay "running" constantly to update, some stay running until you need the memory so that you can swap to them fast.
Here's how I obtained the information I use to make these conclusions. On my 3G, I had multitasking enabled, and was obviously jailbroken. I had SBSettings installed, so I could see the process list and compare it to the icons in the tray. The majority of icons in the tray were NOT running processes (granted a lot of apps are still not updated to utilize iOS 4), but some were. Pandora for example, obviously has to stay running to play music. Dropbox type apps stay running to sync. Flight Control was a good example of an app that stayed running so I could switch back fast, but it would have dropped itself if the memory was needed (I assume).
So yes, some apps stay running, some don't. Even if they are still "running", I believe they are coded so that just one small thread can keep running to do whatever it needs to do in the background, so memory, cpu, and battery usage is kept at an absolute minimum. Honestly, with the iPhone 4 I haven't closed an app from the tray yet, and never once have I noticed it slow down the slightest bit.
As usual, Apple has come late to the game, but has done it right. Apps will only run in the background if they need to, and only just to take care of what they have to do. Most apps just utilize features to remember where they were so that it seems like they stayed in the background the whole time even though they were actually closed.
Anyone who says this isn't "true" multitasking is a fool. You can only have one app on your screen at a time. There's no need for programs to be running and wasting resources if they aren't the app you're looking at at the moment. Apple provides some APIs for those apps that are the exception and actually have to do something in the background to minimize wasteful resource usage.
Edit: I just saw nenarek's link and it explains this very well. Think of most apps as closed state apps as the page mentions, where they are closed completely and save your session to your storage memory. Flight Control would be a suspended state app that stays in memory for fast switching, but basically use nothing but a little RAM until you go back to them. Pandora would be a background state app that stays running while in the background because it needs to keep doing something while it's not the active app. Dropbox and other syncing apps, I believe (but obviously I don't know their code so I can't say for sure), will drop to background state to finish whatever they need like syncing, then when they are finished drop further to suspended or even closed state.
Huh?
Like, did only 6 of us watch the keynote or something? Apple told us this is how multi-tasking works. None of this is new information.
What's REALLY going on here is that people are making baseless assumptions that they feel are as justified as researched facts presented by other users. The burden of proof is on YOU, not me. Prove to ME that these other "claims" are correct.
I don't know, time will tell I suppose but I haven't closed any apps--just leaving them there for now. I've not noticed any difference in battery drain--probably my imagination but battery life actually seems better to me on 4.0. But as others have said, too early to say for sure.
Sorry buddy, you're doing it wrong.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/multitasking.html
Apple doesn't even tell you about quitting those apps on the above page. That's because you don't need to!
Please, calm down, and think about what's really going on here.
Okay, I hope you really read my first post because whatever you explain has been understood (at least by me, I don't know about others) so there's really no reason to be calling people names....
This thread was not about misinformations about apps "running" in the background. I was merely stating the fact that because ANY previously opened app can be on the "tray" (as someone referred to it as) it makes it cumbersome to flip through the apps I would like to switch to.
I presented a suggestion to allow only certain frequently used apps to access the multitasking tray to make it easier to access them whenever needed.
*sigh*
My post was more for cenetti.
EDIT - as far as the tray goes, if you want to use an app that you used more than 4 apps ago, just go back to the springboard. The "multi-tasking" tray is really more for bouncing between 2 or 3 apps (like you're writing an email while referencing a web page type of thing), it's not meant to be the end-all-be-all application launcher - that's still what the springboard is for.
I do agree with this. Especially since I never clear out the tray with my iPhone 4, I tend to have every app on my phone listed in there, but honestly, when I'm swapping through a couple of apps with multitasking, they are usually in the first four apps so you don't have to flip to find them. Most other times I just click the app from it's icon on the home screen to open it. You never HAVE to use the tray, it's just there for quick switching convenience.
It IS doing that.
The only items in the tray are the recently used apps. They are constantly resorting based on your use of them, have you not realized this?