I can listen to music, check my to do list, and have the iPhone check for new email message all at the same time. That sure sounds like "several jobs" or "multiple tasks" to me.
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Multitasking on the iPhone
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I can listen to music, check my to do list, and have the iPhone check for new email message all at the same time. That sure sounds like "several jobs" or "multiple tasks" to me.
Dude.
I have tried this argument before, just like you, and failed. Everyone knows you can listen to the IPOD and do other stuff. Big deal.
If you can run Pandora, check email and check your to do list, all at the same time, then you have a different iPhone than me.
I have a 3G and a 3GS and neither can do that.
Nice try though.
other than streaming music or IM's i dont see the need for multitasking elsewhere.
I dont disagree that having pandora run in the background isnt a good idea.
and I believe with the 3GS or on 3.0 if you're interupted while playing a game or using an app you are redirected back into that app when you're done with the call.
Would I want full out multitasking? Not really.
But should apple at least let apps that stream music in the background or make games continue where u left off if intereupted? sure why not, but not every app needs to be mutlitasked.
Dude.
I have tried this argument.
Stop being thick headed.
If you can run Pandora, check email and check your to do list, all at the same time, then you have a different iPhone than me.
I have a 3G and a 3GS and neither can do that.
Nice try though.
there's only so much that should be your center of attention on a 3.5 inch screen.
What's so hard about checking your todo list then your email? How much time do you REALLY save by having your email check for emails if your in your todo list anyways?
I'm not saying that it's ok that the iPhone can't do it, but can't you just work around the problem for the time being. Apple couldt care less that you can check your email and todo list at the same time....
Dude.
I have tried this argument before, just like you, and failed. Everyone knows you can listen to the IPOD and do other stuff. Big deal.
If you can run Pandora, check email and check your to do list, all at the same time, then you have a different iPhone than me.
I have a 3G and a 3GS and neither can do that.
Nice try though.
Gosh your silly. So unless you can run "Pandora" in the background you can't multitask.
The poster listed apps running in the background, doing task. I can use VoiceRecorder while doing task. OH wait that doesn't count because its not Pandora. His definition is correct. If the definition said: Multitask is true only if you can run Pandora in the background then yes. or Multitask is true if only 3rd party apps are allowed to run in the background then yes.
Well so far thats not the definition. So you FAIL.
You guys are getting silly about this.
Issue isn't implementation, it has always been battery life. If you want multi-tasking, try WinMO, it runs like 20 processes in the background.
you have to understand the pandora's box you are opening when you have multitasking. those include memory leaks, overall performance hits, battery life, etc
and in an environment like this where you have amateurs who may not know best practices in coding, things like memory leaks can become a huge problem.
apple did well to not bother with multi-tasking. at some point they may allow for "native apps" to run in the background, since apple can actually control the quality of those apps, but i think it is doubtful we will see full multi-tasking open any time soon
and in an environment like this where you have amateurs who may not know best practices in coding, things like memory leaks can become a huge problem.
apple did well to not bother with multi-tasking. at some point they may allow for "native apps" to run in the background, since apple can actually control the quality of those apps, but i think it is doubtful we will see full multi-tasking open any time soon
Dude.
I have tried this argument before, just like you, and failed. Everyone knows you can listen to the IPOD and do other stuff. Big deal.
If you can run Pandora, check email and check your to do list, all at the same time, then you have a different iPhone than me.
I have a 3G and a 3GS and neither can do that.
Nice try though.
Now you've completely changed the discussion. I have never claimed the the iPhone allows third-party background processes. In fact, I've stated the opposite several times in this thread. I agree that it is a feature that I want. I would place enormous bets that it will show up by the end of next summer.
I simply said that the iPhone can "fully" multitask. By the definition that you supplied, my statement is correct.
Just tested it.
Your belief is wrong. It is up 100% up to the developer and no one else. Each app is different. But why have it be this way when there is no need for it to be this way? This phone, especially the 3GS, can handle having multiple apps open.
Here are my test results:
Flight Control: When I got off the call, the game had to re-load completely, but then it came up paused where I left off after it loaded. Multi-tasking would mean the game would not have to re-load, and I could go right on playing DURING the call.
Jelly Car: When I got off the call, the game had to re-load completely, and the game restarted and it was as if I had never played the game.
Again, if Apple would allow a few apps to run at the same time, the phone would be MUCH better.
Whatever.
I am not going to play semantics with you.
The iPhone can not fully multi-task, and honestly, I can't understand how you can make such a ridiculous claim.
They already do.
iPod and the Stop Watch, among others, can run in the back ground.
Yea.
I failed.
You are right.
Wanting games and other apps to not just quit and restart when I get a phone call is just ridiculous. What was I thinking?
I think you misread my post. The iPhone can do all of that at the same time currently.
I just tested this with star defense. started up a game, started a wave. called myself, took the call, and hung up and it started back to where i left off, waiting for the 1st wave to come in.
Is this apple's fault that developers dont take advantage of this feature? NO, but the feature is there, the developer has full discretion if they wanna use it. And why have it if there is no need? It's all a matter of what the deveoper wants in the end. I think the developer is free to choose how an end user interacts with an app, and whether its implemented or not, end users should do what they can to alert a dev on a feature they want.
Just tested it.
Your belief is wrong. It is up 100% up to the developer and no one else. Each app is different. But why have it be this way when there is no need for it to be this way? This phone, especially the 3GS, can handle having multiple apps open.
Here are my test results:
Flight Control: When I got off the call, the game had to re-load completely, but then it came up paused where I left off after it loaded. Multi-tasking would mean the game would not have to re-load, and I could go right on playing DURING the call.
Jelly Car: When I got off the call, the game had to re-load completely, and the game restarted and it was as if I had never played the game.
Again, if Apple would allow a few apps to run at the same time, the phone would be MUCH better.Whatever.
I am not going to play semantics with you.
The iPhone can not fully multi-task, and honestly, I can't understand how you can make such a ridiculous claim.They already do.
iPod and the Stop Watch, among others, can run in the back ground.Yea.
I failed.
You are right.
Wanting games and other apps to not just quit and restart when I get a phone call is just ridiculous. What was I thinking?
Thats the whole point. Your not thinking. Instead you roll your virtual eyes in denial of a correct statement. So unless you can have the planet change the definition of Multitask with Pandora amended to it, you have no idea what your talking about.
I know exactly what I am talking about.Thats the whole point. Your not thinking. Instead you roll your virtual eyes in denial of a correct statement. So unless you can have the planet change the definition of Multitask with Pandora amended to it, you have no idea what your talking about.
Where in the definition of multitask did it say "so long as Apple allows it."
You know, I always get a real laugh out of these threads where tons of iPhone lovers pile on and act like I am completely nuts for wanting iPhone owners to be able to listen to streaming music AND use BeeJive to chat with a friend at the same time if they want.
I mean, yea, I must just be nuts.
To me, that would put the iPhone over the top of ANY phone on the market today.
Interesting, good idea though we would still need a solution for when you aren't on the home screen because I don't even want to imagine the complaints if you had to go back to the home screen, then look at the open Apps.
No you don't. iPhone is fully capable of multitasking. Simple as that. Your just playing with words to fit your agenda. iPhone is fully capable of multitasking. Plenty of examples have been shown to you, yet you refuse since it doesn't fit your agenda. The iPhone fits the definition of multitasking, just not yours, since Pandora isn't listed.
It would be extremely good, except for the fact that not everyone is an expert coder, and might not use the best coding practices for their apps.
What I would like to see Apple do though, is have developers be able to submit their apps for backgrounding ability. The app could go through an extensive approval process to make sure there are no memory leaks or anything, and then it could be released.
Neither slappy nor I have suggested you are nuts for wanting Apple to allow third-party background processes. It's a great feature. I anxiously await it.
That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about the multitasking. The definition that that you posted is "the concurrent performance of several jobs by a computer" or "the performance of multiple tasks at one time." The iPhone can do that currently.
The way the iPhone does (cooperative) multitasking is like building a desktop on top of DOS and call it an operating system.
Ugh. Everyone (pro & against Multitasking), please understand this:
MULTITASKING on the iPhone is inevitable. It's just a matter of time. If it wasn't, our Macs would be stuck with cooperative multitasking today. So, it's coming maybe not 4.0, maybe not even 5.0, but eventually it will.
So, beyond music & IMing, what benefits are there in multitasking? How about one:
Opening more than one email at a time to compare and contrast (I do this everyday on the desktop), quickly on the fly switching to something else, then back to those two or more e-mails. Multitasking/Background tasks aren't only about 3rd party music apps and doing something else simultaneously, but it's also about combining tasks between different applications together.
You do this ALL THE TIME on your desktop, the Palm Pre is starting to do this, you can d*mn bet that the iPhone will do this eventually.
So again, those who are poo-poohing Multitasking/Background processes right now? Guess what, deep inside, you know you want it and you know it will come.
Like the thread OP mentioned, I'm going to put my money down on this, but the way Apple will implement Multitasking on the iPhone will be through Expose. Count on it.
w00master
MULTITASKING on the iPhone is inevitable. It's just a matter of time. If it wasn't, our Macs would be stuck with cooperative multitasking today. So, it's coming maybe not 4.0, maybe not even 5.0, but eventually it will.
So, beyond music & IMing, what benefits are there in multitasking? How about one:
Opening more than one email at a time to compare and contrast (I do this everyday on the desktop), quickly on the fly switching to something else, then back to those two or more e-mails. Multitasking/Background tasks aren't only about 3rd party music apps and doing something else simultaneously, but it's also about combining tasks between different applications together.
You do this ALL THE TIME on your desktop, the Palm Pre is starting to do this, you can d*mn bet that the iPhone will do this eventually.
So again, those who are poo-poohing Multitasking/Background processes right now? Guess what, deep inside, you know you want it and you know it will come.
Like the thread OP mentioned, I'm going to put my money down on this, but the way Apple will implement Multitasking on the iPhone will be through Expose. Count on it.
w00master
I'm not sure what your point is. The iPhone uses preemptive multitasking just like UNIX and Mac OS X.
Whatever man.
I don't have an agenda, except that I want the phone I love so much to totally kick the ever loving @#$%^ out of ALL the competition.
But in all seriousness, you are the one playing with words and semantics, not me.
I NEVER said the phone can't multi-task. It can. I can listen to iPod while using the stop watch to time my run, no problem. I can play with email while voice recording, no problem.
I get that, I really do. And I also get the risk of just allowing any app to be running in the background.
All I am saying is, that saying the phone can FULLY multi-task is at least a gross over statement, if not, flat out wrong.
Why do some iPhone lovers have to keep making excuses for this limitation of the iPhone instead of admitting it is a limitation and moving on?
That works for me.
I thought Apple reviewed all new apps anyway before they released them?
But only for Apple's apps, if you think they won't eventually extend this to 3rd party developers, then I don't know what to say to you.
The iPhone OS is constantly evolving and growing (as well as the hardware) *and* their competitors. If you truly think that the iPhone won't EVENTUALLY have Multitasking, then I don't know what to say to you. Additionally, if you honestly can't think of any USE of multitasking on the iPhone, then how do you use your desktop then? One app at a time?
Users become more sophisticated with their devices. It happened on the desktop, it'll happen on the phone as well.
w00master