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Music Labels to Offer Enhanced Album Format to Compete With Apple's 'Cocktail'?

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Oh, and if Apple is counting on this "cocktail" business to be the killer app for the tablet, you can just go ahead and label it a huge flop right now.
 
give me hi def music. I would rather have 200 hi def songs that 4000 crap sounding songs On my device any day.
If there is a format war this would really push creative's egg line
 
sleeve notes and album art?

Jeez, when I read that Apple were planning on album notes to be the 'next big thing' for the tablet I couldn't help but think of the digital books that I've got with a couple of albums from iTMS. Be still my beating heart! :rolleyes:

Seriously, unless the implementation outstrips the concept by a country mile this is gonna be one big 'so what?'
 
DTphonehome said:
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Exactly. I'm amazed the labels fail to grasp what it is consumers want. They don't care about sitting around looking at liner notes. They don't want to buy all the crap songs. They just want quick access to the songs they like at an affordable price. That's it!
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AMEN! Nice to see how amazingly innovative they are lol! :rolleyes:
 
just give me all the songs i want for 10 bucks a month. oh wait i get that through youtube, last.fm, pandora...etc..for free
 
macduke said:
Granted, it's been awhile since I've purchased an actual CD, but didn't they used to have something like this 10 years or so ago that played a bunch of extra content when you put the cd into your cd-rom drive on your computer? I thought it was cool at first, but then all that content was available online over the next few years with broadband, and it was free, so then nobody cared.

I can't really say that I can see this catching on much. You can find album scans all over the Internet...along with band interviews, videos, and photos. Just go to your favorite band's website.

All I want is their music without being sued by the RIAA. Is that too much to ask for??
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Enhanced CD. It was so uber totally awesome!

I think it was a lame attempt at replicating what DVDs do with extra features. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care 99.99% of the time about behind the scenes stuff in music. I've had a few extras like that come with albums I bought on iTunes, and I don't usually look at them.

Here's the stuff I want: high-quality audio (it's pretty good now; I'd love to see some sort of higher-quality offered that would take advantage of great sound systems), cover art, music videos, lyrics.
 
I like how they make it look like they were the original thinkers of this idea and that Apple is copying them. When in truth, I find it would be much more believable if they're copying Apple.
 
robbyx said:
Do we know for sure, though, that either Apple's "Cocktail" or the industry's CMX use a format other than MP3, AAC or some other standard? Is the digital booklet a bundle or wrapper around a bunch of different files or perhaps some kind of supplemental file that iTunes loads when requested? If so, fine.

So long as my music is still delivered in DRM-free AAC, I don't care if they want to pretty it up. Do we have any indication of how the music will be delivered or is the suggestion of a *new* format just speculation?
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It's of course speculation at this point. But my gut feeling tells me that they are doing this for two reasons: Make people buy more songs than they want and establishing a proprietary format.

Sony tried that with their memory stick in digital cameras, various companies tried to establish their own video formats for the web (think that despicable company Real with their Real player), MS did that with Java.

These are disgusting strategies because they are aimed at destroying an existing standard that serves consumers well without adding anything of significant value that NEEDS that new format.
 
Wow! What innovation! Let's recreate the idea of an album in a digital format as a single download!

The entire music industry needs to collapse. The "Big 4" labels do nothing and contribute nothing. They dragged their heels for years with digital downloads. They pushed draconian rights management onto files that should rightfully be owned by music consumers.

Now CMX? Stupid. Give me a simple link to wikipedia and call it good. I'm not buying your crap yet again for I'm certain what will be a premium price.

Musicians should get a clue and learn how to brand and market themselves. They don't need the labels anymore.
 
Possibilities

Yes, this will be lame if implemented poorly, but no one seems to post about the potential (of course if DRM free and no added cost to receive it).

But lyrics on an iPod touch, or on an Apple TV while the song plays. Along with artist, album, and song history. All interactive only if you want it. This could be like pop-up videos but embedded. Yes it is lame for those that just play a song and look at nothing, but when a song is playing on my Apple TV bonus material can make for a much better party experience.

Also the possibility of using the data to enhance "Genius" could be interesting. "Play more songs from this year" "Plays songs that also where in the same movie".....
 
andiwm2003 said:
It's of course speculation at this point. But my gut feeling tells me that they are doing this for two reasons: Make people buy more songs than they want and establishing a proprietary format.
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andiwm2003 said:
These are disgusting strategies because they are aimed at destroying an existing standard that serves consumers well without adding anything of significant value that NEEDS that new format.
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riverfreak said:
The entire music industry needs to collapse.
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Something like that.
 
Total BS!!!!!
Apple uses their music to sell their ipods while putting millions in their damn pockets to. But lets back up a few years ago when itunes hit the world. The record labels agreed to this per song business model preposed by Apple. The record labels drank the damn kool aid and now they bitching about low album sales. Let me tell these lil babies something, if they were really smart, they would have had a proprietary music format. Case closed. But no, they just jump on whatever bandwagon the teach guys can conjure up. The crap part to this is that the tech guys make the recording devices accessible to the general public to what ever new music format is on the market. So Dr.Bootleg is making a killing at the flea market. Album notes and lyrics don't mean **** to these new young cats out there. They want their pretty boys and girls until the next manufactured face enters the music scene.
 
bore.......ing

What a waste of computer programmers' time.

And let me guess...it will somehow impede my ability to have a standard music file that I can play in my choice of music player/music software.
 
lamers

I'm all for the cocktail idea, so long as it's a meta-wrapper that doesn't hinder the individual song files and is an open and robust enough format to allow lots of creative meta-content. If you can't think of ANY media that could enhance a standard musical album, you're incredibly lacking in creativity.
 
That 9 looks a horrible mismatch for the "iTunes " font in the about box. Is that an upper lip stud in Jennifer Lopez upper lip or did the cut and paster forget to remove some pixels in the upper left corner of the about box? :D

If iTunes gets any beefier than it already is, I'm gonna have to look at other media players. Its beginning to feel like I'd be launching a heavy duty pro app. I'd love to see VLC's playback capabilities plus a streamlined iTunes 4.x feature set (minus an iTunes store cause I'd rather visit a page in safari) all with a modern iTunes interface :p ... is that asking too much? :eek:
 
riverfreak said:
Wow! What innovation! Let's recreate the idea of an album in a digital format as a single download!

The entire music industry needs to collapse. The "Big 4" labels do nothing and contribute nothing. They dragged their heels for years with digital downloads. They pushed draconian rights management onto files that should rightfully be owned by music consumers.

Now CMX? Stupid. Give me a simple link to wikipedia and call it good. I'm not buying your crap yet again for I'm certain what will be a premium price.

Musicians should get a clue and learn how to brand and market themselves. They don't need the labels anymore.
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One of the best posts I ever read.
 
williedigital said:
I'm all for the cocktail idea, so long as it's a meta-wrapper that doesn't hinder the individual song files and is an open and robust enough format to allow lots of creative meta-content. If you can't think of ANY media that could enhance a standard musical album, you're incredibly lacking in creativity.
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I totally agree but the big labels don't really have the best track record there and I don't have too much hope in Apple currently either..

EDIT: Also - why did Apple reject the labels' offer? Maybe, among others, they couldn't get behind the oh-so-special immersive & rich user experience that some committee came up with and were fully aware of how much it would suck when it included all the suggestions and restrictions imposed by the labels,.
 
Enhanced with what?

Ok, not saying Apple will be perfect with cocktail..
And the labels can screw Apple by refusing to allow Apple to have their mixture (of music, video, cover etc)..
But what else can the labels offer, that is of value to the consumer without actively reducing Apple's options?

Well... they could offer DRM free and higher bit rate?
Or start mixing music without that extra bass and instead give it more character..
 
Maybe I'm getting old(er) but have you ever, after a good period of time listening to the vast array of genres hunting for what you like to hear and by the time you find it, you hit the stop button... all is quiet and you say to yourself out loud.... 'phew holy crud, how exhaustive....THAT will be quite enough of that' :eek:
 
if it happens i would like to see it (be free) and a secondary item that can be left off when transferring to ipods/iphones. i can see this as something "neat for a while" on the home computer/laptop/even appleTV as stated above but nothing that should bloat the files.

And I feel it will be something i don't care to look at if downloaded either
 
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