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The jury's still out...

I thought creatine had been proven safe, with loads of medical research when I considered taking it? (I chose not to). I'm only just starting to work out but I find protein shakes (100% Whey) really help recovery as well as just a good work out. I can see my body shifting, while I'm not losing weight I am visibly slimmer and starting to get bigger muscles.

You may be right. Further research suggests that dehydration is common if the individual doesn't consume more liquids when on creatine. But, with proper liquid intake, this is not a problem.Yes, there are some Drs that feel that kidney damage is possible, but as yet, there isn't enough evidence to definitively state that.

My experience with people who have taken creatine is that they do suffer from skin reddness and irritability. Of course, this is my observation and isn't scientific.

For any teenager, since your body is developing, I see no reason to experiment with either creatine or any other anabolic supplement. If a Dr condones it, that's another story.

All of this supports my idea of keeping logs of your workouts, supplements, and meals. If you do suffer side effects, it's easier to pinpoint the culprit.
 
Stephen, you can find natty PB at any grocery store - I get them from Walgreens - the skippy brand. If you have a Costco in your area check out the Muscle Milk Plus jar (chocolate shake flavor) A scoop of that with 2% milk is heaven.

That Skippy Natural bit is a lie. It uses Palm Kernel Oil to keep from separation. The oil is a trans fat.

Stick to a brand like Crazy Richards or Peanut Butter Company.
 
How long, or what distance, do you run daily? Stop running daily and do it every 3 days or so rather than every day. If you're not an excessive runner, you can probably run for the same distance you do now, but if you run over 6 miles per session, I suggest cutting down, and running every 3, maybe 2, days.

I usually run about 2-3 miles daily. Also, where is the best place to buy 100% whey protein? Thanks again for all of your great replies guys! Except for Keniff's reply. That was kinda strange and totally useless. I did laugh though! :p
 
i recommend protein shakes and you should constantly be eating healthy snacks with protein like any type of nuts or you could just get protein bars.

you can eat tons of eggs and meat but don't get into that habit. sure you're 15 now and your cholesterol is probably fine, but in a few years you'll have to watch out for it otherwise heart attack by the time you're 50. egg whites are fine though as they are low in cholesterol
 
Do you have any recommendations as to where I get my protein from?

A great protein supplement I have used and would recommend is "Ultimate Muscle Protein" made by Beverly International. They have a website: BodyBuildingWorld.com

There is also another website I belong to: BodyBuilding.com that has forums for teens. Many of their members can recommend proven sample diets and training techniques to gain weight.

Good luck to you man!
 
i recommend protein shakes and you should constantly be eating healthy snacks with protein like any type of nuts or you could just get protein bars.


yep... another good recommendation! check the labels, though! don't get one with a ton of sugar in it! add some banana, PB and drink a few of those and you'll add some serious, but healthy calories!
 
Thanks again for all of your awesome guidance! I've got a basic Idea of what I need to be eating, but can anyone give me specific things to eat. Like a meal, not a snack. I'm probably going to go to GNC soon and get some 100% whey protein powder to mix with milk. Is this a good move? Like I said, thanks again for all of the great info!
 
Thanks again for all of your awesome guidance! I've got a basic Idea of what I need to be eating, but can anyone give me specific things to eat. Like a meal, not a snack. I'm probably going to go to GNC soon and get some 100% whey protein powder to mix with milk. Is this a good move? Like I said, thanks again for all of the great info!

Eat meat with a little fat on it. Also, make sure you get carbs and vegetables. Try to stay away from processed carbs, like white bread. Eat whole grains.
 
Thanks again for all of your awesome guidance! I've got a basic Idea of what I need to be eating, but can anyone give me specific things to eat. Like a meal, not a snack. I'm probably going to go to GNC soon and get some 100% whey protein powder to mix with milk. Is this a good move? Like I said, thanks again for all of the great info!

yes.... but read the ingredients! watch for sugar content! and add some bananas, peanut butter, fruit, nuts, etc... to it! make a yummy shake!

meal:

chicken (no skin)
veggies (green is best...)
quina (spelling???? pronounced keen-wa)


if you have grains... whole wheat or brown! so brown rice, whole wheat pasta...

spaghetti & sauce with turkey italian sausage (they're good!)
add a salad

spaghetti and sauce with chicken and some zucchini (yum!)

for breakfast: oatmeal! (i make mine with chocolate milk and peanut butter... although my choco milk is fat free... you should/can get 2% or higher!)
 
yes.... but read the ingredients! watch for sugar content! and add some bananas, peanut butter, fruit, nuts, etc... to it! make a yummy shake!

meal:

chicken (no skin)
veggies (green is best...)
quina (spelling???? pronounced keen-wa)


if you have grains... whole wheat or brown! so brown rice, whole wheat pasta...

spaghetti & sauce with turkey italian sausage (they're good!)
add a salad

spaghetti and sauce with chicken and some zucchini (yum!)

for breakfast: oatmeal! (i make mine with chocolate milk and peanut butter... although my choco milk is fat free... you should/can get 2% or higher!)

Also- if you're going to use protein supplements, USE WHOLE MILK. Your body needs the fat to use the protein. Otherwise, you'll just pee it out.
 
Also- if you're going to use protein supplements, USE WHOLE MILK. Your body needs the fat to use the protein. Otherwise, you'll just pee it out.

ya... i'm calorie cheap... so if i can even find the room in my day for a protein drink... i use water so as to not use up the extra 60-100 calories that my milk would add! :rolleyes:

should he be getting his fat from milk though? or use 2% and get his fat from PB, nuts, olive oil, etc?
 
ya... i'm calorie cheap... so if i can even find the room in my day for a protein drink... i use water so as to not use up the extra 60-100 calories that my milk would add! :rolleyes:

should he be getting his fat from milk though? or use 2% and get his fat from PB, nuts, olive oil, etc?

I'm speaking specifically in reference to protein powder/shakes. It's useless if you don't consume some fat along with the shake. It will go right through you.
 
Get some Nitro Tech and Cell Tech. Take them after you work out, and at lunch and dinner.

Eat, eat, eat and lift hard and if you're lucky you'll get up to 150 in abt 4-5 weeks if that long. You can do it faster but you'll probably be adding some fat.
 
Please DON'T do this. Eat lots of protein and lift. Make sure someone shows you how to lift properly.

Hey, it's not something that I would do (I haven't eaten McDonald's in years), but I know that some professional athletes and actors have gone that route when they've had to bulk up quickly for their sport or for a role.

I never said that it was to be used as a long-term plan or as a permanent lifestyle change.
 
:apple:
He mentioned healthy gaining :rolleyes:

OP - make sure you eat a lot of protein, at least 1 gm/pound of body weight. Eat slow GI carbs like oatmeal, brown rice - you *can* have faster GI carbs but reserve those for your post workout shake and the meal after that.

Lift heavy for 5-6 reps max - but not so heavy that you injure yourself. You should know what weight you can handle for a clean 6 reps. (6 is an average number, some people get results with 3, 7, whatever - just make sure you're getting an insane workout)

Post workout nutrition is very important - chug a 40-50 gm protein shake with 30-40 gms of dextrose - great for spiking insulin and shuttling all the nutrients into your muscles.

And no, don't ever have mcdonald's and ice cream if you want to gain weight (unless all the weight is on your stomach and your butt)

Edit - forgot to mention calories. You're 15 so you have a fast metabolism and you play sports - so you're going to burn everything pretty quick. You need to ingest 3,000-3,500 calories. Make sure those calories come from good wholesome foods and protein shakes and you'll pack on the pounds slowly.

It's very easy to ingest 3,000 calories in a single fast food meal - but quite hard to do when you're eating chicken breast with brown rice, or 8 oz of lean meat with veggies. It gets real boring!

WOAH! Great info for the most part ... but we ALWAYS start with proper nutrition.

1. Start planning your meals: 6 per day.
- This can include 4 meals (1 a healthy snack) and 2 protein shakes.
- Try to schedule your meals 1.5-2hrs apart maximum.
7:30, 10 (Shake), 11:30/12PM, 2PM (shake), 4PM (shake/snack depending on practice), 7PM (proper Dinner!), 9PM (shake)
- Prepare your shakes (powder) in a bottle (preferably Stainless steel), don't reuse the Gatorade bottles more than twice.
- Meals don't have to be HUGE just portion size.
- Oh and do NOT start out with egg yolks (there is a REASON why Scharchenegger had a heart-attack)! Eat Tuna/Fix (great protein, calories & Potassium/Calcium ratio) plus you help get the Omega fatty acids (6+9 I think). Flax seeds is 3 I think.
If you begin right away to consume 3500 Calories a day [old world thinking of 1.5-2x the calories for your weight) you're going to either have the RUNSS & ***** yourself during your workout or games OR you'll feel like someone parked a TANK in your gut for 3 hours!!

2. write down what you eat & also your workout schedules!!
You NEED to do this. Just like any major financial planner studies your goals and saving/investment habits the SAME must be done for your eating & workouts.
- this is MOST important because it will show you on the days your Strongest, when you have the MOST energy, and when you're plateau'ing on your workouts.

It IS possible to get 30lbs in 90days easily; I've personally done this before.

3. Never forget your fruits and assortments of vegetables this is USUALLY ignored when supplements are taken.

4. When you begin your workout think of #2. After each exercise write down what Set & Rep you begin to feel a) difficulty, b) easy, and c) which arm was weaker (dumbbell curls).

Now onto your workouts.

You need to FULLY READ the proper motion of your exercises and pay CLOSE attention to your body. Not EVERYBODY will get a huge chest by Barbell Curls alone - for me with my shoulder injury this never worked. I couldn't bench press over 145lbs if my life depended on it (when I was 145Lbs or 189lbs now)! However I can easily Dumbbell Bench press 60-80lbs per hand (50-75Inclined) at 4x10 reps when I used to work out: it'll take me 2mths to get there again.

1. Concentrate on Compound muscle group exercises.
* Squats - Barbell (not hack squat machines)
- eventually you can use a plate under your toes for more impact.
^ VERY important as your blood is made 70% in your themur bones.
* Barbell Curls (pronated & supinated - equal reps) - you may not be able to write your name if you really push it but its GOOD.
* Bent Over Rows - Barbell. This will hurt your back unless you bend at the knees and hips. Alternative is to use the Hammer Strength Smith machines at the gym (there are 3 and they do wonders). Or Dumbbells keep back straight.
* Bench Press - Barbell.
* Inclined Bench Press / Shoulder press with dumbbells with palms facing to your chest (KEEP BACK STRAIGHT not curved into your stomach)!
* Dumbell Flys - chest again keeps the tendons strong at the connection between the muscles under your chest.

Now also don't forget the naturals.
Chin-ups. (Pronated & Supinated) You'll be amazed how many kids your age cannot do 2sets x 10 reps of their own weight properly (bending our elbows not your wrists).
Push-ups. I like the mod I did when my boys and i where your age.
When bored round up the guys (20+). First guy does 1 push up. Second does 2, etc etc. EVERYBODY goes until they fail! It'll feel like the hand of the devil pulled your chest to smack your face in the ground but it works a great pump! If #16 fails. the NEXT guy does his 16!
Everyone rests for 10 minutes. Start again at 1. ;) Do this with chinups too.
If you can do 6 Sets x 10 reps of Chinups of your own weight resting LESS than 40-60seconds (no more than 1.5minutes) then start using weights between your legs (25lbs and start 2 Sets of 6)

Also if your school has parachuts to use for wind sprints use it.

Protein shakes. Get single packets first to see the taste and quality when mixed. With Water or with 2% Milk at your age is best.
Cold Filtered Whey Protein Isolate and the primary source is THE BEST!
Casien (milk products based) is great when you cannot sleep and have a shake with lots of this and go back to sleep (long term absorbtion). Remember how mom used to give you warm milk to help you sleep ? Trypophan ;) .

i'm sure there is a LOT more advice but remember to eat healthy and lean. you want your muscles to get bigger, not the layer of fat under the skin. You're not going to Alaska or Arctic Circle for 4mths in Winter are you??

Cheers and good luck.
Keep this thread alive - with pictures of your gains (I don't want your american pie full body shots lol).
Keep practicing as well!!
 
Get some Nitro Tech and Cell Tech. Take them after you work out, and at lunch and dinner.

Eat, eat, eat and lift hard and if you're lucky you'll get up to 150 in abt 4-5 weeks if that long. You can do it faster but you'll probably be adding some fat.

Dat dere Cell Tech will BLOW you up!!1

:D :D :D

My recommendation: avoid all the gimmicky stuff. Stick with protein powder, and go natural everything else.

As for a workout program, I'd like to add: keep. it. simple. Compound exercises with the barbell. Use Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength program - it's designed specifically for guys like you. Exactly like you.

Check out this thread on the BB.com forums for all you need to know about the program.

Or even better, buy the book. It has very detailed explanations of each exercises and how to do it the right, and safe, way.

You can thank me later :)
 
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Man, you guys are so helpful! My buddy from church said he would give me a whole jar of his whey protein, so I don't even have to buy it! Also, what foods are carb and protein dense? I cant wait to start applying all the things that I am learning for you all! You guys are all amazing! Please keep it up! :D
 
Man, you guys are so helpful! My buddy from church said he would give me a whole jar of his whey protein, so I don't even have to buy it! Also, what foods are carb and protein dense? I cant wait to start applying all the things that I am learning for you all! You guys are all amazing! Please keep it up! :D

Short answer: protein = things you kill and eat, carbs = things that grow outta the ground. :D

Long(er) answer: For carbs, go after the veggies and fruits. Oatmeal is also a great source. (Whole wheat/grain!) bread and pasta are also great sources of carbs.

For protein, chicken breast and tuna are your gods for protein. Dairy - eggs (why are eggs considered dairy, I never understood), milk and yogurt and cheese and cottage cheese are great protein sources as well. And that protein powder you got there too, obviously!

And once in a while, dive into a healthy helping of red meat - it's nothing to avoid, but don't overindulge. Like, say, 2-3 times a week maximum.
 
Ahh, how I wish I could eat this much! But I'm female and want to lean out, not bulk up :D

oh girl you don't know the HALF. Of course women respond very differently to food regimins and need different exercises but the basics are the same.

So if you're like Kathy on Regis/Kathy show (if you're that built yet slim an its borderline feminine sexy like a Ms Fitness competitor then yes 1gram protein/1lb of body weight daily to maintain. You'll probably need to either use whey protein isolate or soy protein isolate combo with whey. Still I couldn't suggest proper protein intake for a woman so I'm guestimating here. If you arobasize and you have that decathalon physique, then lower it to 40grams per daily intake.

Just remember smaller meals (like the size of our fist, use a smaller protein/fruit or protein/yogurt shake ONLY using water to mix the shakes) more times per day. Tricks your body to accelerating your metabolism. Just look at Bears vs Horses. Horses are muscular by nature and Bears are BULKY by nature. Look at their activities and their eating habits; horses graze, Bears feast whenever possible but can go hours without eating. Horses go insane if they don't eat for a few hours. ;)

Man, you guys are so helpful! My buddy from church said he would give me a whole jar of his whey protein, so I don't even have to buy it! Also, what foods are carb and protein dense? I cant wait to start applying all the things that I am learning for you all! You guys are all amazing! Please keep it up! :D

^ Stephen,

It all depends on the sources of food your eating and your substitutes. Food wise I previously concentrated on meats (Top or Outside Round Sirloin has the highest count of quality protein, Fish (Tuna/Salmon/etc) has great protein for the size/weight and great for Omega oils (essential because your body cannot synthesis these from other foods you intake).

The best choice both of you can do is to FIRST focus on your food choices, eating paterns and take notes (how your body responds, energy levels, how you feel when active/resting). While doing this you need to see how you're peers eat/consume foods. If they consume 4 coffee's a day and not eat well for several days in a row, then you need to think about the others that do and spend more time with them. I'm not saying dump your friends, but when you start out its easier to setup a "Buddy" system with those that eat well until you've got your eating down without thinking. Then you'll notice that as you body changes you'll inspire others that don't eat well (yes most secretly have goals too). During ALL of this you MUST remember to imagine what YOU"RE ideal body is & how it functions how it makes YOU feel better (not anyone else).

Stephen, when working out this part of invisioning (seeing your goal) will help immensely. There are parts of your muscles/nerves that just work after so much practice that will be harnessed so well while concentrating on them while you work out. Think of how babies concentrate so hard to reach out to grab their first cup, take their first few steps, a newborn trying to get something aimed into their mouths the first few days after being born. Their concentrating on nerve & muscle connections (something most of us take for granted). Look at someone that temporarily lost the ability to walk and its in therapy learning their muscle control all over again. Its all about Focus. This'll be important when you've set a new rep/set combo gaol in a particular exercise and you force yourself to squeeze out those last few reps in a set!

All of us during grade school/high school study to learn new skills (math, science, play an instrument, etc etc), yet many of us don't know how to study about eating properly, healthy.

then again maybe its all apart of an alien conspiracy for us to eat well so we taste good when abducted ;).
 
then again maybe its all apart of an alien conspiracy for us to eat well so we taste good when abducted ;).

Actually, it's so that I have something to eat after the zombie apocalypse thins out your numbers a little. I would prefer it if you stayed in shape, though, I'd like you to at least have the illusion of a fighting chance. Crushed hope tastes so sweet in the autumn months.
 
Also- if you're going to use protein supplements, USE WHOLE MILK. Your body needs the fat to use the protein. Otherwise, you'll just pee it out.

Interesting (if true): got any links to studies that support that?

Just look at Bears vs Horses. Horses are muscular by nature and Bears are BULKY by nature. Look at their activities and their eating habits; horses graze, Bears feast whenever possible but can go hours without eating. Horses go insane if they don't eat for a few hours. ;)

This is, I'm afraid, rubbish. Horses are herbivores and bears are carnivores so they have different diets/digestive systems because their evolutionary niches are totally different. That's what accounts for their different anatomy, not their eating habits. :rolleyes:

OP, until you've read a bit more and have some more knowledge to help you sort the good from the bad I'd get advice on strength and endurance training from your coach (or another coach locally) and see a sports nutritionist rather than getting advice on the internet. That's just me though. ;)
 
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