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Maybe because he will actually respond to what people are asking for?

No one has compared Xcode on the two devices, and since that is pretty much all I am going to be using I find it to be very interesting.

As I suspected, Xcode seems to be fin on the 11", with the exception of working in Interface Builder on iPad projects. Still I think the extra portability will be more beneficial to me than the extra screen space, especially since it will be paired with my 15" MBP. The 13" is just to close in size to the 15" to justify having both.

How is the battery life on the 11" when using just Safari and Xcode? Also do you have a 4GB RAM model or the base?

Glad the comparison is of some use to you. I'm happy to try out anything else with Xcode if needs be.

Battery life is pretty good with Safari and Xcode. I've only depleted the battery once but I got 5 hours and 19 minutes I believe (definitely over 5 hours, at least) at 12/16 brightness, backlit keys off etc. That was with Safari, Xcode and Kindle, and a tiny bit of flash content.

But yeah the 11 inch seems great for you. Even with the iPad issue, you can still work on it with the 11 inch model - its not unbearable thankfully - but I wouldn't want to fully develop that app with the 11 inch screen. And of course if you order the 11 inch and realise its not good you can exchange it. I really should have ordered the 11 inch first.

This model is the 4GB one.


My main reason (also highlighted by Anand and many others) is that 11" is uncomfortable if used in a lap.

That's fair enough. I absolutely love using the machine on my lap personally, but maybe thats because I've been using a netbook for a year or two, which I did quite enjoy using the same way.
 
Returning both perhaps...

I've been using both machines quite a bit now and I definitely prefer the 11 inch model.

So I set about restoring the 13 inch to send it back. Tried the Restore HD, it said it had to download additional components (4 hours!) and randomly timed out. I decided to then just use my disc of Lion I had prepared for my iMac but due to the MBA having a different build it won't work. As far as I can tell, downloading Lion from the App Store to restore a 2011 MBA just won't work. Wonderful. So I went back to the Recovery HD, which is now estimating 6 hours (my internet's good, but not THAT good) and again has timed out. I've never really had such issues with the internet, it just seems to be this for some reason.

So I gave Apple a call, the nice man did his best to find information about it and ultimately agreed that my findings were right. But once I've downloaded the components onto the Recovery HD, they'll be there for good if I ever need to restore again? Nope! According to the Apple Tech Support rep, its only for that installation. I find that hard to believe and I'll be testing it.

There is good news though, in the shape of a £55 ($69) USB stick. That's very clever of Apple, make a bold statement about the dying breed that is optical media (by not shipping the MBA with USB sticks) and then offering a very expensive (Even by Apple standards) USB stick to make up for the weak service they put in there to replace the USB stick.

Apparently though, users who buy machines with Lion will get a free USB stick, but he could not provide written confirmation for Apple secrecy reasons... but what a mess. I'm tempted now to return both machines if my test shows that you must download the components each time. I highly doubt this is true as the components are downloaded to the Recovery HD. I'll be sure to let you know.
 
Office 2011 test?

In the very first post of this very interesting and informative thread, it was written that Office 2011 would be put to test.

With this in mind, I would like to ask a few questions regarding the use of Word 2011 for Mac on the 11,6 inches machine vs. the 13,3 inches machine.

Being a person who writes a lot, I am especially interested in how the keyboard and screen are when writing (and editing) and reading what you have written.

First, is there a discernable difference between the keyboards of the two machines for writing long texts?

Second, how are the screens of the two machines regarding editing? Is the 11,6 screen a bit too small for getting a good enough overall "picture" of (part of) the text?

Third, viewing two pages next to eachother on one screen, is the text then readable and editable on such a small screen as the 11,6? And what about viewing two pages at the same time on a 13,3 screen - will it still be too small a text to work with? (Or do we need a much bigger display - 17 inches or bigger to work comfortably in such a "dual page" mode?)

Some comments on these issues (and other aspects regarding word processing) would be very much appreciated.
 
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In the very first post of this very interesting and informative thread, it was written that Office 2011 would be put to test.

With this in mind, I would like to ask a few questions regarding the use of Word 2011 for Mac on the 11,6 inches machine vs. the 13,3 inches machine.

Being a person who writes a lot, I am especially interested in how the keyboard and screen are when writing (and editing) and reading what you have written.

First, is there a discernable difference between the keyboards of the two machines for writing long texts?

Second, how are the screens of the two machines regarding editing? Is the 11,6 screen a bit too small for getting a good enough overall "picture" of (part of) the text?

Third, viewing two pages next to eachother on one screen, is the text then readable and editable on such a small screen as the 11,6? And what about viewing two pages at the same time on a 13,3 screen - will it still be too small a text to work with? (Or do we need a much bigger display - 17 inches or bigger to work comfortably in such a "dual page" mode?)

Some comments on these issues would be very much appreciated.

Thanks for posting. Will add my comments to the original post.
 
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I did this comparison in the apple store but i think it would be useful to share with others.

Would you be able to browse to the same website in safari on both machines, enable full screen browsing and press "cmd and +" to zoom on the 11 inch. Take a side by side picture.

Also could you bring up itunes in full screen on both and take a screenshot. Same with a PDF with lots of text on both?

That for me made the difference but I couldnt take pics in the apple sore I was in.

Thanks
 
I have always been of the smaller is better mindset when comparing laptop computers. I had a late 2009 MBA and sold it in favor of a mid 2010 MBP 13. The reason for the change was quite simply that the single USB port was inconvenient as well as the battery life being horrendous. So needless to say, I was extremely excited when I saw the increase in resolution, the addition of an additional USB port and better battery life. Apple had corrected all of the things that made me leave the MBA to begin with and at the same time made a smaller 11" version. I played with an 11" for a while and the battery was similar in performance to my old MBA. That was an immediate deal breaker for me even though it suited my needs in every other way. I picked up a 13" MBA a week and a half ago and haven't regretted anything. The 13" MBA makes the 13" MBP feel like a cinderblock in both size and weight comparisons. The trade off of a little bit of weight and size for considerably better battery life was a no brainer for me being that I can sometimes go a full day without being able to plug into an outlet. Sorry for the long winded reply, just wanted to add my experience to the thread. And to the d-bag that posted the first reply to this thread, I care about community input. So many times, the "reputable" outlets are swayed by advertising revenue and such that I would trust a personal review over a professional review any day of the week. Its like automotive reviews where stats and figures are derived from ideal conditions and controlled environments which the average Joe would never duplicate.
 
I've been having second thoughts about the 13 - since it is replacing an iPad too. I tried an 11" last year, the base model which underperformed obviously, and the screen res wasn't high enough for me.. however.. that has changed with lion's full screen - and if they had the double finger double tap to zoom last year, I didn't realize it... So I wonder if I would get on better with the 11"

The trouble is, my 13" has samsung ssd and screen! I would hate to return it for the 11, just to decide the 13 was the right choice all along. The other thing is, with such a fast desktop at my disposal, and the fact that I love the iPad, but really want a keyboard for it (i hate the options so far) I would just get the 1199 - which would be a fair savings from the ultimate 13.

OTOH, I'd be giving up screen real estate, battery, sd reader..

Tough choice! In my case, I will have to go play with the 11" I think.
 
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Wow, what a great post OP. And what a ******** first reply!

In your testing did you try them out in various locations bus/train/sofa etc or just on a desk? The reason I ask is that I wonder if 11" is a bit small for my lap.
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. I have learned a lot from it. Now, I think the million-dollar question is... do you find the battery life adequate at all for the tasks that you do?

I travel a lot. Daily, in fact. And I don't feel like plugging my laptop in at every chance I get, so battery life is very important to me. I have been keeping with the 13" for that sole reason.
 
This review (and whole thread as a matter of fact), has been very useful for me I write a lot, do some number crunching and travel a lot. But it's the screenshots that have been most useful!
A lot of other reviews worry about how faster it is than the previous version and that kind of stuff, but what I'm I interested in, is real life use. Thats what counts!


I already own an 13" 2010 (there wasn't a 256gb option for the 11" at the time) and I'm switching to an 11" for portability, and with your screen shots I can better anticipate the loss of height, 133 pixels.
What I'm still worried about is tue stories about the battery life. On one hand I have a hypermac battery and a car charger, so if I'm on the road, I can use the MBA 11" 3x as long as it is a 60wh battery (the MBA 11" has only 35wh inside!) and I can recharge it while I'm in my car (and I hardly travel not in my car). Otoh I really liked the hassle free 7hours life of my MBA 13" because it was almost always enough for a
whole day of work. I would on long days even get a bit over 8 hours, but then the lights where on 1/4 and there was no wifi or Bluetooth used.


For the people using the 11" 2011 i7, how many hours can you get out of it when being really careful and just typing away without any other big programs?
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. I have learned a lot from it. Now, I think the million-dollar question is... do you find the battery life adequate at all for the tasks that you do?

I travel a lot. Daily, in fact. And I don't feel like plugging my laptop in at every chance I get, so battery life is very important to me. I have been keeping with the 13" for that sole reason.

Hmm, so far in the three cycles on the 11 inch its reached 5 hours 19 minutes (tiny bit of flash content), 5 hours 31 minutes (no flash content at all) and 4 hours 33 minutes (couple of flash videos, 28 minutes each, read below). The last one might seem quite low but to be honest seeing how bad flash is atm with Lion I think its pretty good, plus I was trying to get the battery to 0% to calibrate.

That said, I don't travel a lot, not daily at least. I mean I'm impressed with the 11 inch's battery life, but I'll definitely miss the one or two extra hours from the 13 inch, so I'd probably stick with it if I were you. But so far the MBA has met my expectations in terms of battery life. In all three cycles I've had wifi on, 12/16 brightness, no backlit keys but I've not had to be cautious about the battery life. I even tried to drain the battery today to calibrate it (turns out you don't need to, but I thought I may as well!) and from 30%, watching a flash video, it lasted another hour and 30 minutes with me having turned on the backlighting, putting screen brightness to max and running about 15 applications, just to speed it up.

Wow, what a great post OP. And what a ******** first reply!

In your testing did you try them out in various locations bus/train/sofa etc or just on a desk? The reason I ask is that I wonder if 11" is a bit small for my lap.

I've tried both on the sofa, in bed and at Costa. I had to give the 13 inch to my friend because it would have looked weird to just pull out two expensive notebooks out of my bag while he sat there using his Dell Mini. At the moment I'm sat with my legs up on the desk (yeah I'm kinda lazy) with the 11 inch MBA, I do prefer it to the 13 inch but both are great really. I remember seeing a youtube video review where the reviewer referred to the 11 inch model as "fun", and I was like "how, its just a smaller version of the 13 inch model?" but I kinda see what he means. I actually prefer the smaller palm rest, for example, when sat up like this. The 13 inch model digs into my legs a tiny bit, whereas the 11 inch seems to sit perfectly, and is of course a bit lighter.

I definitely would not rule out giving the 11 inch a try, as long as you can return it to Apple without a restocking fee.


I did this comparison in the apple store but i think it would be useful to share with others.

Would you be able to browse to the same website in safari on both machines, enable full screen browsing and press "cmd and +" to zoom on the 11 inch. Take a side by side picture.

Also could you bring up itunes in full screen on both and take a screenshot. Same with a PDF with lots of text on both?

That for me made the difference but I couldnt take pics in the apple sore I was in.

Thanks


Good ideas, I'll have to do them at the Microsoft Office screenshots for mortenandersen tomorrow. Thanks.

This review (and whole thread as a matter of fact), has been very useful for me I write a lot, do some number crunching and travel a lot. But it's the screenshots that have been most useful!
A lot of other reviews worry about how faster it is than the previous version and that kind of stuff, but what I'm I interested in, is real life use. Thats what counts!


I already own an 13" 2010 (there wasn't a 256gb option for the 11" at the time) and I'm switching to an 11" for portability, and with your screen shots I can better anticipate the loss of height, 133 pixels.
What I'm still worried about is tue stories about the battery life. On one hand I have a hypermac battery and a car charger, so if I'm on the road, I can use the MBA 11" 3x as long as it is a 60wh battery (the MBA 11" has only 35wh inside!) and I can recharge it while I'm in my car (and I hardly travel not in my car). Otoh I really liked the hassle free 7hours life of my MBA 13" because it was almost always enough for a
whole day of work. I would on long days even get a bit over 8 hours, but then the lights where on 1/4 and there was no wifi or Bluetooth used.


For the people using the 11" 2011 i7, how many hours can you get out of it when being really careful and just typing away without any other big programs?

Thanks for your post. The loss of height on the 11 inch didn't really bother me as much as I thought it would, I'll be posting more screenshots as requested by adhnoh tomorrow so do check them if you like. And so far the only issue I've had with the battery is the accuracy. According to some Apple article (that I probably misread...) I don't need to calibrate the battery, but its pretty annoying that at the moment its on 91% and it says 4 hours 1 minute remaining, much like the second cycle under similar settings, when it actually lasted an hour longer. It also tends to jump around quite a bit even when I'm not really changing anything. Saving a word document seems to set the expected battery life to 2 or 3 hours temporarily, for example. Its not really a big deal, as I'm still getting the good battery life advertised under what I consider to be reasonable conditions - no backlit keyboard, 12/16 brightness, no bluetooth.
 
He then threw in an extra £65 iTunes card which I'm allowed to keep either way, as well as the one for the 13 inch macbook.

How did you manage to get an iTunes card from talking to a first-level rep about buying a laptop and then returning it?

Also, you say you prefer the 11" but you don't find it to be even slightly cramped at all? I found that I had to curl my fingers up a bit to fit my hands so that my fingers were on keyboard home row (pointer fingers on F and J keys) while my wrists were right above the edge so it wasn't cutting into them. And the trackpad is substantially shorter so that you have to narrow the gap between your fingers and thumb in order to use it, as compared to the 13". You didn't have any of these issues?

Also, the MBA would be my primary machine (no other machine at home) - how is 11" for that? I think you said you have an iMac in addition but what if you didn't and had to rely on 11" as primary?
 
Second one here who took back the 11" and kept the 13".

I had both, battery life was a real issue on the 11", and I found the vertical screen size to be a bit of a problem.

The 13" is just a bit better for doing work on, I think.

How did you find the keyboard and trackpad though? I felt like I had to curl up my fingers a bit to use it while keeping my wrists above the edge and I had to narrow the gap between my fingers and thumb for the trackpad to use it properly. Did you experience these things?
 
I have both.

I'm not going to play preferences. They are both good.

Let's face it, there are many here that are totally confused as to which one to get. I think they did this deliberately to drive us insane. If they were any closer, it would cause so much stress doctors would come here looking for business .

Personaly, I think playing favorites is childish and unproductive. (not to mention unhelpful). That said, the 13 is better :)
 
Let's face it, there are many here that are totally confused as to which one to get. I think they did this deliberately to drive us insane. If they were any closer, it would cause so much stress doctors would come here looking for business .

Agreed. I had the 12" PowerBook (note: the average of 11" and 13") and it was the most perfect computer I ever owned.
 
Tnx TS for the great comparison screenshots of Xcode. I couldn't find these anywhere and you convinced me in buying the 11". Worth every penny. :)
 
Hey guys, I played with both models yesterday (11 and 13) and have a question:

Is there any way to make the text larger in the text program? I think it was called TextEdit or something similar.

I happen to really like using Notepad in Windows to make notes for myself (and I have LOTS of them!) so if I got a Mac I'd have to be able to read all of my saved Notepad files. But the text was so tiny (for my old eyes) in TextEdit that I hard a seriously hard time reading it.

I was able to figure out how to "tap tap zoom" on web pages, and I was able to figure out how to zoom in to see the Source Code from web pages (which I also need to see all the time) but I couldn't figure out how to zoom in TextEdit.

Is it possible? :confused: (fingers crossed)

Thanks!
 
Hm, I agree with the above poster. How these sites can get away with providing torrents is beyond me. Hmmmm. Surely if you've bought a $2000 mac you can afford to spend a couple of bucks of software rather than downloading it?

cheers
 
Agreed. I had the 12" PowerBook (note: the average of 11" and 13") and it was the most perfect computer I ever owned.

100% agree. My 12" 1ghz PowerBook was the one laptop that made me fall in love...by I also note that I was coming from a 1998 PowerBook g3 wall street.
 
Hm, I agree with the above poster. How these sites can get away with providing torrents is beyond me. Hmmmm. Surely if you've bought a $2000 mac you can afford to spend a couple of bucks of software rather than downloading it?

cheers

why are you agreeing to a post that is 6 months old. i think they have moved on by now.
 
I never owned the popular 12" Powerbook.

Which is most similar to it in size, handling, and portability, the 11 or 13" Air?

That's a good question... if I knew the answer, I'd own one by now ;)

They're both very tempting. The 11" is really small and light, but has "only" 5 hours of battery, and no SD card slot, and a smaller SSD. And naturally the smaller screen. The 13" has a more useful screen and the SD card and 7-hour battery life, but its footprint is approaching that of the 13" MacBook Pro and it's heavier. Still not that heavy, but it's noticeably heavier than the 11".

I think I would probably choose the 13" over the 11" for the extra battery life and the SD card slot, which I would see myself using frequently. Because I spent years working with laptops with small HDs before finally upgrading my current MacBook Pro to a 750 gig drive, I think I would also struggle with the smaller SSD capacity of the 11".

But then, that 11" does look so darn portable...
 
I never owned the popular 12" Powerbook.

Which is most similar to it in size, handling, and portability, the 11 or 13" Air?

I had a 12" iBook (have) and a 12" Sony. The 11" is more like it in those things, the 13" is "big" - the 16:10 screen aspect is making it way bigger than the 4:3 made the 12"

So for a small "ultraportable" machine, even the 11" seemed a tad bit big, but I think that feeling stems from my 2 years of iPad use. The 13" is just a thinner, lighter 13" MBP, not what I was looking for in the ultraportable area.

That said, I ended up with a mini for now because I needed it "yesterday" instead of in 6 weeks. I still plan on buying the 11", unless the ipad3 sucks me in!
 
I had an 11" but had to send it back in favour of the 13" as the battery life was so poor. Light use and I was getting 3-4 hrs. Under load I cant imagine. The 13" battery is much better. I really liked the 11 though other than this issue.

Yeah, that was my main reason to opt for the 13" instead of the 11" too.

What is the point of an ultra portable computer (MBA 11") if it runs out of puff in only 3 hours of real-world usage? It totally ruins the mobility factor since you need to A) carry your AC adapter and B) be close to a socket.

I really hope the 2012 model increases the battery life significantly (and reduce heat issues). It's the ONLY sore thumb in an otherwise fantastic ultraportable (alas powerful) laptop.

PS: I wish they could reduce the bezel in both the MBA 11" and 13". I'm sure they could squeeze a 12" and 14" screens respectively within those large bezels.
 
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