I wonder what happened to the OP or did he just sign up with another account to avoid this fail?
Possibly hopefully he is not in jail. Anyway it was a good thread taught me don't go for deals that are to good to be true especially on craigslist.
I wonder what happened to the OP or did he just sign up with another account to avoid this fail?
The system recruits the wrong type of individual to be a cop and they squeeze out the types with actual emotions and feelings. They're looking to build up more of a paramilitary strike force than they are average people who really want to "protect and serve" the public they work for.
If it was my laptop that was stolen and then sold to you, I would also be $2000 out and would have priority in this.
Call the station and ask for detective Jones. If he is there, then he is real, eh?
The OP was just hoping someone would back him up and tell him to keep it, that it would be ok.
Why in the world would you need a lawyer to guide you through what is a very simple, although expensive, problem?
I have to agree with the last couple people who expressed a distrust for law enforcement today. At least here in the USA today, there's *easily* at least one news story a DAY about the police doing something completely illegal, corrupt or just plain unfair/unjust. The system recruits the wrong type of individual to be a cop and they squeeze out the types with actual emotions and feelings. They're looking to build up more of a paramilitary strike force than they are average people who really want to "protect and serve" the public they work for.
I wonder what happened to the OP or did he just sign up with another account to avoid this fail?
I thought everyone already knew that craiglists is a Scamming Sellers haven. At least with Ebay, they have the Sellers under the thumb.
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Any actual stats to back up this enormous Faux News worthy assumption (gut-feeling)?
Not to mention, you get what you pay for. Like walmart, most counties/cities pay peanuts so they don't recruit the best and brightest into law enforcement.
Even if they did pay like other advanced nations, who in their right mind we be a police officer or teacher (i.e. scapegoat) in this country today? The only developed nation on the planet where both are attacked, blamed, and hated ironically on a 'daily basis'.
Of course it's never the flawed system, our arbitrary and archaic laws, or our underlying pathetic attitude that is to blame, as we're Amuuuricans!. So it must be the cops, teachers, Guuvmint... to blame.
I thought everyone already knew that craiglists is a Scamming Sellers haven. At least with Ebay, they have the Sellers under the thumb.
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Any actual stats to back up this enormous Faux News worthy assumption (gut-feeling)?
Not to mention, you get what you pay for. Like walmart, most counties/cities pay peanuts so they don't recruit the best and brightest into law enforcement.
Even if they did pay like other advanced nations, who in their right mind we be a police officer or teacher (i.e. scapegoat) in this country today? The only developed nation on the planet where both are attacked, blamed, and hated ironically on a 'daily basis'.
Of course it's never the flawed system, our arbitrary and archaic laws, or our underlying pathetic attitude that is to blame, as we're Amuuuricans!. So it must be the cops, teachers, Guuvmint... to blame.
Unless you're the victim, you should never talk to police. Let them talk to your lawyer if they insist. This video is the best explanation of this advice that I've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Even if you are being contacted by real police officers, there is nothing good that can come from you talking to the police. You can incriminate yourself or your statements can be twisted to suit their purposes. For all you know you'll end up convicted as the thief.
Finding and hiring a lawyer would cost more than just abandoning the laptop.
You are holding stolen property, the police has contacted you more than once about it, and you are still trying to think of ways to keep it?
Unless you have an affinity for having your fingerprints taken you need to be proactive in handing in the evidence you are in possession of.
I haven't seen anything about "good faith". From what I've learned, you can keep stolen goods that you buy so long as you bought them in "good faith".
If this truly was a maxed out 15" rMBP ($3,449 retail + tax by my count), then OP did not buy this in good faith for only $2,000. Something is obviously up with it with such a heavy discount.
Even if it was only the $2,800 version rMBP that OP bought for $2,000, that seems like a transaction not in "good faith" to me. Especially when sales tax is factored in (if applicable).
Other things can definitely play into good faith, such as what happened during the negotiations, did the seller act/claim to be the original owner, would a reasonable person believe the seller's claims?
Just my two cents.
I haven't seen anything about "good faith". From what I've learned, you can keep stolen goods that you buy so long as you bought them in "good faith".
If this truly was a maxed out 15" rMBP ($3,449 retail + tax by my count), then OP did not buy this in good faith for only $2,000. Something is obviously up with it with such a heavy discount.
Even if it was only the $2,800 version rMBP that OP bought for $2,000, that seems like a transaction not in "good faith" to me. Especially when sales tax is factored in (if applicable).
Other things can definitely play into good faith, such as what happened during the negotiations, did the seller act/claim to be the original owner, would a reasonable person believe the seller's claims?
Just my two cents.
From what I've learned, you can keep stolen goods that you buy so long as you bought them in "good faith".
Where, pray tell, did you "learn" that?
It is total utter BS.
I highly doubt that is legal anywhere, and it would really require a source. Even then you couldn't assume it would be legal in any state or county. You are all playing the role of armchair lawyers. I suspect (note suspect) having purchased in good faith would prevent charges involving the receipt of stolen property, but you have no basis to suggest that this allows anyone to retain said property. Spread bad advice somewhere else.
Good Faith is more than paying close to MSRP...
Other things can definitely play into good faith, such as what happened during the negotiations, did the seller act/claim to be the original owner, would a reasonable person believe the seller's claims?
I haven't seen anything about "good faith". From what I've learned, you can keep stolen goods that you buy so long as you bought them in "good faith".
If this truly was a maxed out 15" rMBP ($3,449 retail + tax by my count), then OP did not buy this in good faith for only $2,000. Something is obviously up with it with such a heavy discount.
Even if it was only the $2,800 version rMBP that OP bought for $2,000, that seems like a transaction not in "good faith" to me. Especially when sales tax is factored in (if applicable).
Other things can definitely play into good faith, such as what happened during the negotiations, did the seller act/claim to be the original owner, would a reasonable person believe the seller's claims?
Just my two cents.
Learned it in my Business Law class back in college.
"In both commercial and noncommercial law, persons who in good faith pay a fraudulent seller valuable consideration for property are protected from another person who claims legal title to the property. If a court establishes the purchaser's good faith defense, the person who claims title has recourse only against the fraudulent seller. Strong public policy is behind the good faith defense. Good faith doctrines enhance the flow of goods in commerce, as under them, buyers are not required, in the ordinary course of business, to go to extraordinary efforts to determine whether sellers actually have good title."
Source: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/good+faith
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You might want to read that again.
What your talking about applies to merchants and purchasers in the ordinary course of business. It doesn't apply to two guys dealing on Craigslist.
"To meet this test, the person must be a merchant, must have demonstrated honesty in the conduct of the transaction concerned, and must have observed reasonable commercial standards of fair dealing in the trade. A buyer would likely meet these requirements if the purchase proceeded in the ordinary course of business. If, on the other hand, the purchase took place under unusual or suspicious circumstances, a court might conclude that the buyer lacked good faith."
"Good faith" on Craigslist may keep you from being arrested for possession of stolen property. But you will have to return the goods to the rightful owner.
The part that you quoted only applies if you are trying to use the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) in your defense. The bona fide purchaser doctrine (or innocent purchaser doctrine) is different than the UCC.
I wonder what happened to the OP or did he just sign up with another account to avoid this fail?
....especially if the price is too good to be true.
Simple test: if the seller can get more value then they are requesting, there must be a reason. If the reason isn't clear and acceptable, walk away.
Simple test: if the seller can get more value then they are requesting, there must be a reason. If the reason isn't clear and acceptable, walk away.