MY day with my iphone and family

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by rwwlaw, Aug 11, 2007.

  1. rwwlaw macrumors newbie

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    This is for a normal slow Sat. Wake up check the weather. Look up what movie is playing that night. Get a few calls and PAY some bills while in the BATHROOM!. Bank of America works perfectly on it. Take the kids and wife fishing. Wife is happy cause she could surf the net while the kids fish. My 3 yr old catches his 1st fish and I have to pry the iphone away from her to snap some pics. EMAIL pics to Grandmother and self and phone shortly rings to congrat kid! Later on in day it's date night so while I'm waiting in the car for wife I check movie times again and surf web. Wife decides on a rest and we look it up on google. Hit the phone number and iphone dials and reservations made. Used it a bit in rest while wife is in bathroom and a bunch of people looking over. Get to the movies again using it while previews to surf web and lots of eyes on me. Go Home check next days weather and tuck iphone for the night. This ladies and gentlemen is the POWER of this device... Won't even get into a work week.
    See ya:apple:
     
  2. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    Not to sound negative as my wife and I both have and love our iPhones, but there are many phones on the market that could have done everything and more than what you posted. :) In fact, they also have high speed internet, 5 megapixel cameras, and built-in GPS. Not trying to poo on your post. It just seems like a lot of people aren't aware that the iphone isn't the first device that can do the things you mentioned. It's just the first that happens do them really well.
     
  3. Amblinman macrumors regular

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    I think most folks that are awed by the conventional smart phone features are those that haven't owned a smart phone before.
     
  4. rwwlaw thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Non I know of with a full browser and built in iPod
     
  5. iShak macrumors 6502

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    non that I know of that claim to have the 'full' browser and lack 'flash' support, SE walkman phones do music pretty well, almost as good as one might want on a phone.
     
  6. nikhsub1 macrumors 68000

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    You are absolutely right, I bolded the most pertinent part of your post though. Ive owned a zillion other phones - call me a phone junkie. Thing is, what the iphone does do, no one does better. Yet.
     
  7. Joshua8o8 macrumors 6502

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    Some phones may be able to do the things that the iphone can, and some can do more things better than the iphone can. But none of these phones look and feel anything like the iphone. I would trade in most of those functions just for the touch screen of the iphone, and thats only one great feature.
     
  8. plumbingandtech macrumors 68000

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    Sure. And a '71 Toyota Corilla can drive me around town like a brand new Mercedes. :D
     
  9. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    I agree. And that's why I use an iPhone. My point is that the original post could have easily been said with a lot of phones, not just the iPhone. It's like some people have no clue what's out there unless it's made by Apple. I prefer apple hardware and software 9 times out of 10 as well, but I still keep up with everything else out in the tech world. I could have made the same post 3 years ago when I bought my sidekick. :)
     
  10. Gregory macrumors member

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    iPhone is Better than people give it credit for. . .

    I own the Nokia N95, Blackberry 8700, Treo 750 and PPC 6700 I hate them all, yea they do more than the iphone, but the iphone is the best phone I've used period. Even with all the flaws. Its the way the iphone operates compared to the rest of the smart phones. It wont be long before apple gets it right. Besides theres alot of hack apps out there for the iphone right now. When apple does the updates it will get better. Everyone will soon see the power of the iphone very soon. . .
     
  11. technocoy macrumors 6502a

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    If you're a sadist, or love self-abuse, keep on using the "other" phones. I've used nearly every brand, and the iPhone, with it's usability and amazingly intuitive interface make them look like ten year old technology, which is why there IS something to be said for DESIGN.

    Design exist as a way to not only make things more aesthetically pleasing, but easier and more efficient to use.

    THAT is why the iPhone kicks the ***** out of these other phones despite the fact that the may possess "better" features. I don't care how bad ass it is if it's a pain in the ass to use. period.
     
  12. radiantm3 macrumors 65816

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    You're preaching to the choir. :cool:
     
  13. Lebowski macrumors 6502

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    so you are one of "those" people that cant freaking shut off your phone even in a movie.

    oh, previews are starting, have no attention span, must light up auditorium with my cool iphone... honey, is everyone looking? can they see i have an iPhone? sweet.

    if i was next to you, i would have slapped you across the face.
     
  14. skubish macrumors 68030

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    If you think any smartphone comes close to what an iPhone does, I would like to get some of the drugs you are on. No smartphone does crap compared to an iPhone. Ever tried streaming a video podcast on a crackberry? It ain't happening. With the exception of corporate email, the iPhone has everyone beat.
     
  15. terminator macrumors newbie

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    Once i had a blackberry, it can do almost all the function iphone now can provide. But blackberry's face is not as smart as iphone, i have to admit.
    iphone is a way of life, giving me a good mood every day.
     
  16. aerospace macrumors 6502a

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    i dunno, the helio might not look as smooth but until we get some "real" apps on the iphone and not the quick hacks being made its hard to discount it
     
  17. mashoutposse macrumors 6502

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    When it comes to these devices, it's not about what it does, but how it does it. Yes, there are a number of phones on the market that can perform the same functions as those mentioned in the original post, but none make them as accessible as the iPhone does. Think about the touchscreen, the fast OS, the sensibly laid out user interface... The iPhone blows away most other competing devices in real world usefulness.
     
  18. jemeinc macrumors 6502a

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    LOL... No you wouldn't.. But we get your point, it is kind of rude, but hey, it's only the previews..The lights are on for the previews anyway, so it's doubtful he lit up the theater with his iPhone..
     
  19. Avatar74 macrumors 65816

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    That isn't necessarily the case. I have used other smartphones, and the reason this is the first I've purchased is because I wanted to throw the others through a window after experiencing their maddeningly inept user interfaces.

    Things such as pulldown menus and largely monochromatic color palettes (in one example there were several blue folders and blue globes that were almost indiscernible) make a number of smartphones very painful to navigate. By comparison, the iPhone's use of broader color palettes in icons and nested icon menus instead of text pulldowns makes it easier and faster for you to get to doing instead of spending copious amounts of time navigating.

    I really wonder how many smartphone designers ever paid attention to usability studies in the course of their product and software development... It isn't enough to ask "what kind of tiny physical keyboard do you like best?" the usability issue needs to question whether the incumbent design itself is necessary... i.e. Is there a better method entirely? And to not shut out alternatives simply based on existing implementation... i.e. Not "we cant use nontactile input", but "If we are to capitalize on a touchscreen, how do we make it smarter than the alternative?" then you get radical solutions ahead of their time!

    iPhone isn't merely my smartphone. It is quickly replacing my three other computers as my primary computer for email and web access even in the home. I now find myself irritated by the conventional keyboard and mouse.

    It is a different paradigm entirely because of the interface usability. Individual technical features are all impacted by UI design. Bad UI design can cripple the entire featureset. While certain features are missing at present from iphone, the UI concept is unrivaled and the features are mostly a software update away... And a very easy software update, I would add.

    I would rather they get those features right than right now. In terms of improving the user experience and productivity, one brilliantly designed feature is a lot more satisfying than 300 mediocre ones.
     
  20. Billz macrumors newbie

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    I can't wait to get mine. My contract ends on the 19th, so I will be able to order one then. I'm so excited. :):p
     
  21. Amblinman macrumors regular

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    I don't disagree with your assessment of the phone, the "how" of it is what drew a great many of us. But once you get past that, there isn't anything new under the sun as far as smart phone features as far as I'm concerned.

    Incidentally, if you've ever used one of the newer BlackBerrys, you know that navigation is incredibly easy. Probably the best UI of any non-iPhone.

    I think my comment stands up - most folks who are impressed by the features aren't that familiar with smartphones. And let's be honest - there is some lacking with the features the iPhone does have in that regard. No To Do list, no copy/paste, no ability to mass delete email. I had a friend email me his contact info and then realized opening it up on the phone was useless because I had no way of transferring the data. Something like that isn't a dealbreaker, but it's not a tiny thing either.
     
  22. Goldenbear macrumors regular

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    I couldn't agree more!

    Sounds like the old argument of why Windows is better than OS X, don't you think?

    While you're technically correct as far as features go, the "how of it", as you say, IS THE POINT! Who cares if other phones can theoretically do the same things? If the interface of the others phones makes it too much of a pain to use the features, the features may as well not exist.

    Took a look at it, and it still sucks ;) Maybe I'm just picky, but the iPhone is the first "Smart Phone" I've seen that "Just Works"... kind of like a Mac. Gee, what a concept :)
     
  23. rwwlaw thread starter macrumors newbie

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    U r probably one of the idiots that tail gates me when I drive my wifes minivan thinking I'm some soccer mom only to crap your pants and see a man driving when you pull along side. 6'240 and I would love a slap, would give me a good excuse to release some built up anger LOL. Do you own an iPhone or are you just a troll?
     
  24. Avatar74 macrumors 65816

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    You're transfixed on features, not concepts. I get that. I have worked in network operations and internet security and I can be as technical as they come. But let me use an elementary example to illustrate how there's a disconnect between what people want and what people think they want...

    Picture-in-Picture was a feature that for many years could be the deciding factor between two otherwise identical television sets. Or so the manufacturers thought. It would run at least $100 more to have the same set with PIP than without, and for a time people bought into that marketing. But in actual use, very few people used PIP and gradually manufacturers backed off the novelty of that particular feature.

    What I was getting at with regard to usability studies is that there's two ways to approach usability. One is to ask people survey questions about features... this is not a good method. The reason it isn't good is because it doesn't get at the heart of what people are trying to do or how they might interact with better-designed solutions.

    3G, voice dialing, physical keyboards are examples of means to an end... but they are not ends unto themselves. The trap of "feature whoring" catches not only the semi-technically literate, but the very technical.

    The real trick, though, is trying to get an understanding of the core of why people want these features... In the end, what are they trying to DO? The next logical step after that question is to ask if there's a better way to do it. But you can't get there without studying how people interact with technology. If all you do is take a few grunts and make them ask dumb survey questions designed to only affirm the banal status-quo features that your company decided to imitate because they're only incidentally popular and not truly ingenious, then at best you're going to have yet another "me too" product introduction... but never an event of cultural significance.

    The truth is that people respond more greatly to concepts than they do features, but they don't always understand the difference unless you SHOW them. This is why Apple Stores get huge traffic... because they design, deploy and market their products as unified concepts, not bundles of bells and whistles. People get moderately excited about bells and whistles. People go ******* over culturally-shifting ideas.

    Fundamentally, what does Blackberry possess in design that Newton didn't have in the early 1990's? Then comes iPhone... I'll tell you that I'm so unsurprised by Apple's ability to introduce magnificent designs that I could just as easily have been jaded by iPhone, but my immediate reaction to the product was, "This is the first device of any kind that makes me feel that I am really living in the 21st century."

    The design, and I don't mean the bells and whistles but the overall user experience as a conglomeration of UI design, software intuitiveness, industrial design of the hardware, the entire package... is so far ahead of anything RIM or Palm have ever come up with. But it didn't end there. When I discovered how ridiculously simple the activation process was, and how wonderfully designed the iTunes integration is for content management and firmware updates, I knew the bar had been raised significantly. And the executives of other device manufacturers know it, too. In more than one instance insiders have elucidated that other execs are genuinely scared, because every time Apple does something on this scale, the competitors whether they like it or not have to get off their duff and produce something of a higher order because customers now KNOW that this kind of user experience exists.

    If you keep feeding them garbage, they'll eat it, but as soon as one competitor feeds them something better, they'll start demanding that.

    I did, and I used the Treo as well... and I wanted to throw them both through the window. But the problem is that the average person might get frustrated and not know how to articulate exactly the cause of their frustration. But I could recognize what frustrated me and what might immediately frustrate any other user...

    Let me use one example in particular:

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    Aside from the trackball that makes this device annoying, having to sequentially scroll through icons, you have many similar icons and what else do you notice? Perhaps having thought that a narrow color palette on this screen would be more pleasing to the eye, RIM created a mess because now you've got a bunch of icons that are not immediately discernible. If this is the "best" non-iPhone UI the market has to offer, that is a horrible state of affairs.

    I still think you're generalizing on scant evidence... You have made some remarks about how you think other smartphones are advanced, but haven't really demonstrated the experience level of the average iPhone user. To wit, the iPhone is an expensive device and I'd suspect that their target demographic is comprised of quite a few people who have had $200 and $300 and $400 smartphones. I'm not going to unabashedly claim that it is, without harder data, but I think you're jumping to conclusions.

    What part of "software update" did you not understand?

    Here again we are talking at cross purposes... You want to think about only the present, and not the potential. The fact is that the other smartphones have limited potential because they are bound tightly to an inferior OS and inferior physical design that allows for only so many interface configurations and a much more limited user experience.

    WHEN iPhone integrates some of these other features you mention, imagine how much more elegantly and purposefully designed they will be. I showed a Blackberry owner how I delete individual e-mails (finger-swipe, click, gone) and he was simply blown away.

    And I can't get my microwave to read my e-mail... what is your point? That one type of device has a standard different from another? Welcome to the world of consumer electronics. Try opening a Pages document in Word. Now try opening a Word document in Pages... funny, it works this way.

    This is a minor hurdle that also misses the larger UI integration. Consider that I can look up a doctor's office on the map, add his location, phone number, name, etc. in one command to my contacts list, and then call him to schedule an appointment. Note also that any phone number someone e-mails me shows up as a hyperlink that I can directly call from... Probably true that other smartphones have this but I'd be curious to see how clunky their implementation is. I know that when I click a phone number in an email I am asked if I want to call and then instantly taken to the very un-cluttered call screen. I also know that when another call comes in, I can either conference or switch to it without being confused because the 160ppi screen shows buttons with plain english descriptions of what the hell they do. No static nested menus to figure out, everything is contextual to the situation.

    Neither is visual voicemail... something your smartphone doesn't have. I was using this kind of concept in 1997 when I worked for Lucent Technologies. The implementation was horrible, bogged down heavily by its dependence on a Windows PC and very poorly coded software... But the concept was the same as iPhone's Visual Voicemail. It was the Intuity Message Manager (I called it "Message Mangler" because it was so painful to use) designed for the Definity G3 series PBX. Now instead of having an entire PBX system with a dedicated blade for Message Mangler, iPhone does it all elegantly in one small package. Once you try it you'll wonder why the hell you ever accepted anything less.

    The same applies for most of the other concepts that have been around but are better integrated and better implemented in the iPhone than in any other device I've seen. I know from my own experience developing web interfaces that people complain up down left and right when you ignore usability in favor of sheer volume of bells and whistles.

    Again... I will say it a million times if I have to... There is a difference between what a customer wants, and what they are willing to settle for. But if you really want to revolutionize the market and create an event of culturally-impacting significance, you have to get to the heart of what they really desire and can be passionate about. People are more vocal about what they don't like than what they do like... So when you cram something with three-hundred mediocre features, you exponentially increase the chance of product failure... but do one, two or three things brilliantly and people will line up just to drool at your product.

    I am a pragmatic person... but consider that even the softness of the Mac OS user interface, the use of 128-bit icons, drop shadows and alpha channels, makes for an experience that is much more like looking at a nicely printed page than looking at the jagged aliasing of a Windows screen which after eight hours a day, five days a week, is an uncomfortable experience. Now consider how much more productive I can be if I'm not experiencing eye-strain? That's form serving function for you.

    Apple is good at one thing in particular... making the technology and computing transparent to the user so the user can focus on the doing and creating. It's not a coincidence that they removed "Computer" from their company name... Not because they are going to stop focusing on computers, but because so much of what they have done has made the "computing" transparent to the point where "computer" is no longer a useful word to describe such devices. At its core, iPhone IS a computer... but like none ever before. Its interface is something on the order of the 24th Century tri-corders in Star Trek: The Next Generation... except a lot more elegant and more compact. And yes, according to a very recent article, doctors are already using the device to access medical databases to assist them on the job in their diagnoses.

    As a footnote... "Multitasking" is a word that gets thrown around a lot in the workplace... and when people bring it up I say, "Oh, you mean... Why do one thing right when you can do fifteen things wrong in the same amount of time?" Keep that in mind next time you extol the virtues of umpteen features that are in practice a pain in the ass to use.
     
  25. beate macrumors regular

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    I shudder to think...

    I pretty much stuck to just making calls on all previous cells for this reason. It would frustrate me to no end trying for the correct icon. Not to mention that each manufacturer was different so you'd learn one set and then change phones...Grrrrrrrrr

    Very good post, by the way.
     

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