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The problem might be those web sites use Flash which is not optimized on some Macs.
Unfortunately those websites are built using html5, not flash.

my 2015 top-spec retina MacBook Pro is also laggy on those web sites
Previous iMacs and Macbooks with lower resolutions handle those sites fine, thats why I'm disappointed with Apple for building machines with high resolution displays and not-so-good graphics cards backing them up.

It's the sites, and not the machine. Geez, I tried browsing two of them, form two different Macs, and they barely ran at all. Waited forever and just about gave up, especially on that 1st site.
They run very well at 60fps on my Macbook Air and Windows machine :/
 
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But they crawl on my late 2012 i7 iMac and my retina Macbook. Don't feel like firing up my other systems to test them now, but that''s what I'm seeing. Then again, I'm the type of surfer who doesn't wait around too long for sites to load. Usually, if I'm staring at a site trying to load for more than a couple seconds, I just move on. And if navigation is also laggy, I bolt. But that's just me.

Unfortunately those websites are built using html5, not flash.


They run very well at 60fps on my Macbook Air and Windows machine :/
 
Unfortunately those websites are built using html5, not flash.
This Flash tester site indicates they are using Flash. I realize this is not conclusive. Note the free version of this site will only test a web site every 30 min: http://seositecheckup.com/tools/flash-test

It is also suspicious the web site graphical functionality is different on iOS. E.g, on an iPad (which has no Flash) the http://norilskfilm.com/ site provides no left/right graphical motion -- just two static images. If it is really a pure HTML5 site with no Flash, why does it not have similar behavior on an iPad? In general iOS9 has excellent HTML5 support -- better than Chrome on a PC: http://html5test.com/compare/browser/chrome-10/safari-9.0/ios-9.0.html

Previous iMacs and Macbooks with lower resolutions handle those sites fine, thats why I'm disappointed with Apple for building machines with high resolution displays and not-so-good graphics cards backing them up....


My 2015 top-spec retina MacBook Pro has *much* lower resolution than my 5k iMac 27 -- about 1/3 the pixels. It is 2880 x 1800 vs 5128 x 2880. Yet they are both sluggish on those web sites.

In fact my 2013 iMac 27 has 2560 x 1440 pixels, which is about 71% of my retina MacBook Pro. Yet the graphics from those web sites is fluid on the 2013 iMac but sluggish on the MBP (with M370X GPU).

Why would increasing resolution by merely 29% cause such a huge difference? The answer is it's not the GPU or resolution. You cannot conclusively infer from those web sites much about GPU performance.

There is a definite difference in performance but it likely in some software layer not the GPU. If someone has a new Mac Pro or Hackintosh with a 4k display and a high-end GPU card, it would be interesting to try those web sites.

But regardless of those results, the fact is all potential viewers of those web sites having an iOS device or any of the new retina iMacs will get sub-standard performance. They cannot all go buy new computers just because those web sites were coded this way -- whether the actual issue is on the client or server.
 
Unfortunately those websites are built using html5, not flash.


Previous iMacs and Macbooks with lower resolutions handle those sites fine, thats why I'm disappointed with Apple for building machines with high resolution displays and not-so-good graphics cards backing them up.


They run very well at 60fps on my Macbook Air and Windows machine :/
You are making conclusions that are not supported by your testing. There are too many factors in play. I tried one of the awwwards websites and it was clearly a buffering issue that was causing it to stutter. It is true the 395X isn't as powerful as many desktop cards (but the iMac is not a desktop machine, it is an all in one) and it is not as powerful as some of the latest mobile GPUs from Nvidia. But to come to the conclusion that it is underpowered for the 5K iMac based on some website difficulties is logical fallacy. For those of us working with the most demanding graphics possible (4K video and RAW footage) we do not find the graphics card underpowered. Myriad professional reviewers have come to the same conclusion.

If the websites aren't playing back correctly, it is a software, not a hardware issue. Anywhere from the website coding to the drivers for 395x to the browsers to El Capitain graphics rendering.
 
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A thread like this is making me scared that my investment into iMac 5k will be a waste of my money.. I hope I won't be making a mistake. I wonder if I should just go for a pimped out rMBP with an external 4K or better monitor, .. I wonder if that graphic choppy stuff happens then as well.
 
A thread like this is making me scared that my investment into iMac 5k will be a waste of my money.. I hope I won't be making a mistake. I wonder if I should just go for a pimped out rMBP with an external 4K or better monitor, .. I wonder if that graphic choppy stuff happens then as well.
Well Floris, what will you be doing on the machine?There is a 14 day return period. And everyone else on the thread who is using the computer regularly for demanding tasks has told you the choppy graphics are on the occasional website are not a hardware issue. Let us know what you are planning to do with the computer and we can better advise. Also, the rMBP has less video graphics power
 
Well Floris, what will you be doing on the machine?There is a 14 day return period. And everyone else on the thread who is using the computer regularly for demanding tasks has told you the choppy graphics are on the occasional website are not a hardware issue. Let us know what you are planning to do with the computer and we can better advise. Also, the rMBP has less video graphics power
lots of illustrator and photoshop, web dev, web design, photography, vlc+media for tv/video, vlogging on premiere pro, games like minecraft once in a while, and big 4gb+ mysql database stuff, writing.
 
This Flash tester site indicates they are using Flash. I realize this is not conclusive.
There's no need to use external sites to check how those sites are made, if you have programming experience just check the code, elements, network or js profile on the developer tools. Maybe that site reports flash usage because of the sound library, wich sometimes uses flash audio as a last resort if html5 audio isn't available. You can see the animated elements on the developer tools very clearly and they're html5 with transforms applied by css and javascript.

It is also suspicious the web site graphical functionality is different on iOS. E.g, on an iPad (which has no Flash) the http://norilskfilm.com/ site provides no left/right graphical motion....
I don't have right now an iPad to test it on, but on my iPhone for example one of the pages shows a message like "this site has no mobile verion, please use a computer or tablet". Because of the multitude of devices, developers of heavy front-end websites usually choose to serve different versions each one adapted to the device is viewed on (or browser, OS...). There's nothing wrong with seeing different content on different devices.

You are making conclusions that are not supported by your testing. There are too many factors in play.... If the websites aren't playing back correctly, it is a software, not a hardware issue. Anywhere from the website coding to the drivers for 395x to the browsers to El Capitain graphics rendering.
Yes, it can be caused by a software issue. Or by a hardware issue. Or probably both I believe (poor graphics card on a 5k display and lack of browser/os optimization). The thing is I need a computer to work, one that shows websites at least at the same framerate as my Macbook Air. I think I'm not asking for too much considering it's a 4.000€ computer.

A thread like this is making me scared that my investment into iMac 5k will be a waste of my money..
As he said you have 14 days to try it. I'm not trying to bash the new iMac with my posts, just letting everyone know my experience with it.
 
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Yes, those are the three urls I've used as an example, although I did tests on a lot more.

http://norilskfilm.com/ - the then and now screen
http://sonsofgallipoli.com - chapters screen
http://karimrashid.com/ - main screen slider, if you scroll on the page I remember there were missing frames too

All websites are run on chrome, its the main browser I use because their developer tools are way better than any others. On safari some websites were smoother and others even more jumpy. Anyhow the performance on the Macbook Air was superior in all browsers.


Wow they might be some of the most annoying websites i've encountered in a while. it's like someone hijacked my browser and went back to 2008.
 
Wow they might be some of the most annoying websites i've encountered in a while. it's like someone hijacked my browser and went back to 2008.
All of them have won recently some of the most important awards in web design. There's even an art director from Apple as a jury of those awards.
 
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Right now, the adobe creative suite and El Capitan are not playing nicely. Although I am using Premiere to edit a 4K piece, there are some graphical bugs. It is all software and Adobe and Apple are working on fixes (Apple's most recent update fixed some of the most egregious problems with premiere and Adobe has said they are working on fixes). This is typical when Apple rolls out a new OS and Adobe software is never bug free. You aren't supposed to update the OS until Adobe says it's okay -- but with the new 5K Skylake iMac, you have no choice but to use El Cap. We'll see fixes within a few weeks. That said, the websites above played fine for me.

If you look at these boards, and not just this thread, we are all pleased with the performance of the 395 graphics cards for gaming and the creative suite. There were problems for many with overheating and throttling with last years 295 model. So one person's inability to playback a few websites smoothly shouldn't influence your decision and his conclusion that the graphics card is underpowered for the 5K screen is completely fallacious. If you need a higher end graphics card, you need to get a desktop machine (Windows or Mac Pro) or some insanely expensive Windows laptop.
 
All of them have won recently some of the most important awards in web design. There's even an art director from Apple as a jury of those awards.

The first 2 are a throwback to the awful 'flash area' where everyone was designing websites with a similar approach which ends up being a mess from a usability standpoint. Same issue here. I'm running Windows 7 on a 100 MB down Ethernet connection and it's choppy and loading for me on Google Chrome. Any websites I enter that are designed that way I close out immediately. I don't see many designed that way in 2015 which is a great thing.

The last website just needs some tweeks but the UI is lovely in some areas.
 
All of them have won recently some of the most important awards in web design. There's even an art director from Apple as a jury of those awards.
It's an attractive design but ultimately it must work efficiently on the broadest possible selection of devices. You can win all kinds of design awards (from other designers) yet have a product which doesn't play well in the real world. For recent expert commentary on this, see: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/how-apple-is-giving-design-a-bad-name
 
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I'm not defending those websites, just pointing out some facts.

I don't know if its a problem of software or hardware, but other retina devices dropping frames while the Macbook Air of the video running El Capitan never goes below 60fps make me think it can be hardware related too.

I know all of you have macs but there's no need to get defensive. Instead of diminishing the facts and criticize those websites' design I think we must demand Apple to fix those bugs or include better GPUs on the machines they make.
 
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I know all of you have macs but there's no need to get defensive. Instead of diminishing the facts and criticize those websites' design I think we must demand Apple to fix those bugs or include better GPUs on the machines they make.

I've already stated Im posting this message from a Windows 7 machine with a 100 MB ethernet connection. The first 2 are definitely not performing well at all.
 
What makes those kind of websites run smoothly or not is not your connection speed.
When you play a youtube video for example and it stops, then plays, then stops, etc, can be caused by a poor connection, packet loss, etc. On those websites most of the content is preloaded, so if the content is alredy shown and the animation of its elements janks, it usually has nothing to do with the connection.

I tested them (among many others) on w7/chrome and they play fine, just like in the mba.
 
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I don't know if its a problem of software or hardware...Instead of diminishing the facts and criticize those websites' design I think we must demand Apple to fix those bugs or include better GPUs on the machines they make.
The problem is you initially said it was a clear-cut GPU deficiency. We are only pointing out it is not so clear cut.

I just tested my 2015 MacBook Pro (M370X) using both Yosemite and Windows 8.1 via Boot Camp. It seemed slower on OS X than running Windows -- on those particular sites. Obviously the hardware did not change, only software. I used Chrome on both.

I also tested it on my 2015 iMac27 with M395X -- using both El Capitan *and* Windows 8.1 under Parallels Desktop. Interestingly, the web sites were not nearly as slow running Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine on OS X. Again, no hardware change happened -- only software.


My guess is it's an OS or driver issue exposed by the unique characteristics of those web sites, and has nothing to do with GPU performance.
 
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What makes those kind of websites run smoothly or not is not your connection speed.
When you play a youtube video for example and it stops, then plays, then stops, etc, can be caused by a poor connection, packet loss, etc. On those websites most of the content is preloaded, so if the content is alredy shown and the animation of its elements janks, it usually has nothing to do with the connection.

I tested them (among many others) on w7/chrome and they play fine, just like in the mba.

I'm just letting you know even the loading part wasn't exactly the fast on a 100MB connection.
 
Right now, the adobe creative suite and El Capitan are not playing nicely. Although I am using Premiere to edit a 4K piece, there are some graphical bugs. It is all software and Adobe and Apple are working on fixes (Apple's most recent update fixed some of the most egregious problems with premiere and Adobe has said they are working on fixes). This is typical when Apple rolls out a new OS and Adobe software is never bug free. You aren't supposed to update the OS until Adobe says it's okay -- but with the new 5K Skylake iMac, you have no choice but to use El Cap. We'll see fixes within a few weeks. That said, the websites above played fine for me.

If you look at these boards, and not just this thread, we are all pleased with the performance of the 395 graphics cards for gaming and the creative suite. There were problems for many with overheating and throttling with last years 295 model. So one person's inability to playback a few websites smoothly shouldn't influence your decision and his conclusion that the graphics card is underpowered for the 5K screen is completely fallacious. If you need a higher end graphics card, you need to get a desktop machine (Windows or Mac Pro) or some insanely expensive Windows laptop.
The 395(x) is just a 295(x) basically, .. ATI is known for that misleading renumbering.
 
I also tested it on my 2015 iMac27 with M395X -- using both El Capitan *and* Windows 8.1 under Parallels Desktop. Interestingly, the web sites were not nearly as slow running Windows 8.1 in a virtual machine on OS X. Again, no hardware change happened -- only software.

My guess is it's an OS or driver issue exposed by the unique characteristics of those web sites, and has nothing to do with GPU performance.

Maybe Os has some problem with html5 with 4k -5k monitor or all browsers in OS have some problem to render html5 with 4k-5k.
Or new drivers ati have this bug on high resolution.
Anyway it is a software problem.
 
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