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iPod my ipod plays video at 720x400

Synapple said:
amin can I ask you how many MB/GB do those files end up being? I would love to rip at the settings you suggest but I am a little worried about how many files I could fit onto my 30GB iPod, considering I've got 15+GB of music and pix.

Thanks :)
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The latest movie I ripped at those settings was 1:44 in length and came out at 1.64 GB file size. Dimensions were 720 x 304. Quality is darn good. Really.
 
amin said:
The latest movie I ripped at those settings was 1:44 in length and came out at 1.64 GB file size. Dimensions were 720 x 304. Quality is darn good. Really.
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And it played OK on an iPod?
 
twoodcc said:
my ipod plays H.264 @ 640 x 480 (whatever the standard in handbrake is)

i use 1500 kbps
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Is that a new release of Handbrake? When I use H.264 in Handbrake, the resulting 640 x 480 will not play on my iPod. To get this resolution on my iPod from Handbrake, I have to use MPEG-4 instead of H.264.
 
im guessing he is using MPEG4 and not H.264. Unless there is a new build off the most up to date source floating around out there or he built it himself, Handbrake still does not work with H.264 at anything higher than 320x240.
its a very common mistake.
 
amin said:
Is that a new release of Handbrake? When I use H.264 in Handbrake, the resulting 640 x 480 will not play on my iPod. To get this resolution on my iPod from Handbrake, I have to use MPEG-4 instead of H.264.
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i am 99.99% sure that i encoded it with H.264, cuz that's what i do with all my movies that i've encoded
 
twoodcc said:
i am 99.99% sure that i encoded it with H.264, cuz that's what i do with all my movies that i've encoded
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Do you have the latest closed beta of Handbrake? Because currently it's the only version that will do 640x480 H.264. The current public release can not in any way do 640x480 H.264 so you need to provide us with proof, a sample clip will be fine.

Joshua.
 
twoodcc said:
i am 99.99% sure that i encoded it with H.264, cuz that's what i do with all my movies that i've encoded
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So did you use the latest limited release beta of handbrake? Or just another app? Like iTunes or QT?
 
MacinJosh said:
Do you have the latest closed beta of Handbrake? Because currently it's the only version that will do 640x480 H.264. The current public release can not in any way do 640x480 H.264 so you need to provide us with proof, a sample clip will be fine.

Joshua.
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no, i just used the regular handbrake version. what is the standard H.264 on handbrake if it isn't 640 x 480? whatever it is, it played on my ipod
 
twoodcc said:
no, i just used the regular handbrake version. what is the standard H.264 on handbrake if it isn't 640 x 480? whatever it is, it played on my ipod
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There is no "standard" on Handbrake, you set everything from the bit rate to the format to the resolution yourself.

If you just clicked "Rip" then you'd probably be looking at 1000kbps MPEG-4 at full resolution with 128kbps audio, single pass.

What were the exact settings you used, not just "standard settings" because that doesn't help, tell me the exact settings you used.
 
Chundles said:
There is no "standard" on Handbrake, you set everything from the bit rate to the format to the resolution yourself.

If you just clicked "Rip" then you'd probably be looking at 1000kbps MPEG-4 at full resolution with 128kbps audio, single pass.

What were the exact settings you used, not just "standard settings" because that doesn't help, tell me the exact settings you used.
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i meant "standard resolution".

the only things i changed were from ffmeg to H.264, and the bit rate to 1500kbps
 
twoodcc said:
i meant "standard resolution".

the only things i changed were from ffmeg to H.264, and the bit rate to 1500kbps
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Interesting....

So it could have been higher than 640x480. Now I'm intrigued, anybody want to give me $380 so I can go buy a 30GB iPod to test these claims?
 
ok well after checking my files, they are all different. some are 720x304, some are 704x304, and one was 720x288. i did not tell handbrake to output to these resolutions, so i don't know why it did it.
 
twoodcc said:
ok well after checking my files, they are all different. some are 720x304, some are 704x304, and one was 720x288. i did not tell handbrake to output to these resolutions, so i don't know why it did it.
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If you didn't tell HB to output to those resolutions then they are the full resolution of the DVD.

720x304 = 2.35:1 (widescreen)
704x304 = 2.31:1 (widescreen)
720x288 = 2.5:1 haven't seen that aspect ratio before

So yeah, that's just the full resolution of the DVD movie.
 
Chundles said:
If you didn't tell HB to output to those resolutions then they are the full resolution of the DVD.

720x304 = 2.35:1 (widescreen)
704x304 = 2.31:1 (widescreen)
720x288 = 2.5:1 haven't seen that aspect ratio before

So yeah, that's just the full resolution of the DVD movie.
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ok, so what does that mean? anything? i've played these files after the software ipod update.

the 720x288 was Lady and the Tramp
 
twoodcc said:
ok, so what does that mean? anything? i've played these files after the software ipod update.

the 720x288 was Lady and the Tramp
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Means if you did indeed use H.264 in your HB rips then I don't need to worry about using QTPro to export to iPod.

The problem wasn't so much the resolution of the file (they're within pixel/macroblock limits) but more the new Baseline LC profile that Apple use for it's 640x480 stuff. HB doesn't have Baseline LC as an option (yet, it's coming) and so movies ripped with the new settings shouldn't play on the iPod.

But it seems in your experience they do.
 
Chundles said:
Means if you did indeed use H.264 in your HB rips then I don't need to worry about using QTPro to export to iPod.

The problem wasn't so much the resolution of the file (they're within pixel/macroblock limits) but more the new Baseline LC profile that Apple use for it's 640x480 stuff. HB doesn't have Baseline LC as an option (yet, it's coming) and so movies ripped with the new settings shouldn't play on the iPod.

But it seems in your experience they do.
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ok. well, all i know is that i have ripped quite a bit of movies, almost all are the same settings that i said earlier. unless itunes magically converted the files when i copied them to my ipod, it played them fine.

i have noticed that there is some 'baseline' setting in handbrake. i assume it's not the same as the 'baseline LC' that you're talking about though.
 
twoodcc said:
ok. well, all i know is that i have ripped quite a bit of movies, almost all are the same settings that i said earlier. unless itunes magically converted the files when i copied them to my ipod, it played them fine.

i have noticed that there is some 'baseline' setting in handbrake. i assume it's not the same as the 'baseline LC' that you're talking about though.
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Can you please rip and convert a single chapter in HB and post the video here. I need to see this for myself to believe it.

Joshua.
 
MacinJosh said:
Can you please rip and convert a single chapter in HB and post the video here. I need to see this for myself to believe it.

Joshua.
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I'd agree. Many other people have been trying to get handbrake to rip iPod movies at higher resolutions, and nobody has had any success that I've seen.
 
MacinJosh said:
Can you please rip and convert a single chapter in HB and post the video here. I need to see this for myself to believe it.

Joshua.
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i'll try to when i get a chance. and after i make the video, how do i attach it here?
 
Mine plays both 640x480 H.264 and MPEG4. Have been using my PQ DVD to iPod Video Suite 2.5.03 for a while, finished only one fifth of DVD movies, have to carry on.

twoodcc said:
my ipod plays H.264 @ 640 x 480 (whatever the standard in handbrake is)

i use 1500 kbps
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You guys all seem to know a little bit, and I am fairly computer literate, but some of this is new to me. I don't have a video iPod yet, won't get one till full-screens come out, but I recently got an Intel Mac and plan on getting a 24" iMac and iTV next spring. I am mainly ripping to put my DVD collection into my HDD for Front Row and FR via iTV, but also want the option of putting it on an iPod. I am trying to learn more about ripping DVDs and have used MTR and HB to run some tests on a few, and am trying to find out more about the settings to use. I see you guys are learning new stuff everyday as it is changing.

1. What is the real advantage of H.264 over MPEG-4?

2. Why use 2-pass encoding, it seems to take a lot longer? Is there that much quality difference?

3. I see that clayj's sticky isn't really updated as he still lists 230,400 as the max size, as well as some other stuff like max kbps. I want to rip at full res (source minus bars) and I am not that concerned about file size. A full movie comes out at 1.5-2.0 gigs. Should I use MPEG-4 at avg. 2000kbps Audio at 48000 and 160 as I have been? I haven't been using 2-pass. What is the real difference between that and H.264, that H.264 is smaller. Or should I just wait for HB to handle the LC-Baseline?

4. When you load a 720 or 704 x 3xx into an iPod does it crop or add the letterbox bars that don't show up in the QT window?

Thanks for helping educate me a little. I will definitely pass on my results as well.
 
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