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rhpenguin said:
I have a piercing in a "special" area that always leads to me dropping trow when i travel.. Just one of those things you get used to... :eek:
You might want to do something about which metal is in your jewelry; I just went to the Dominican Republic on vacation, and my surgical steel navel jewelry caused nary a problem with any scans.

My iPod and digital camera, though, were another matter: I had them in my smaller carry-on bag end-up, and got stopped at Customs in Puerto Rico when the security folks couldn't immediately identify them on their scans.

I'm so paranoid about losing luggage and such that I travel with carry-ons only; I've got a luggage set with the carry-on roller and a smaller bag that I can pass off as my "personal item." I put any valuables or technological items, along with toiletries, in that smaller bag. Clothes are easy to replace, but tech items not so much so, and you should have any essential medications with you. Especially if you're going out of the country, because you can't count on finding the same medications in other countries.

Also, medications should be carried in their original packaging for OTC meds, and in their original bottles for prescription stuff. This cuts down on the necessity to have the "but it's just aspirin!" conversation with the security people.

Good luck getting redress for your stolen iPod, Delthalaz....you may not end up getting it back, but it's well worth the try. :)
 
jxyama said:
well, since this is getting off topic, i'll keep this short. i don't really care to defend the airline industry, but you yourself gave a prime example of (partially) why airline industries have to do what it's doing: to cut costs.

you said it yourself, you flew America West - a budget airline. while i don't know why you chose America West to fly from Washington DC to Las Vegas, but i'm fairly certain price had something to do with it. airline industry as a whole is in a lose-lose situation. "consumers" are notoriously price conscious but expect the same services as before. fuel prices are rising too...

anyway, like i said, it's a messy situation but airline industries aren't exactly healthy. they have reasons for what they do - other than trying to "screw the consumers," which i'm sure they don't. it's just a consequence of them looking out for their own interest and i can't really fault them for doing that.

Yes, cost was an issue. Though not as much as you would think. United Airlines was just $35 more for a routing through ABQ or DEN (though even experiences on UA are the reason I chose America West). Seats on a jet are a commodity. Pay what you want, for the time you fly. We all should be treated equal when it comes to our bags.

the airlines IMO have created their own monster. Charging $25-1000 for a ticket change. Charging $10 to $50 for going through a live person. Telling a person that "first class is to valuable to give away, even when empty seats are available to those that have a medical need.

I think th epoint you are trying to mkae would be more valid if the "high-priced" airlines did not offer the same fares. Or is it a case that spend more, should get more in return to "protections:? Should someone being willing or able to spend more, get preferential treatment? Particularly under terms of the law.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Yes, cost was an issue. Though not as much as you would think. United Airlines was just $35 more for a routing through ABQ or DEN (though even experiences on UA are the reason I chose America West). Seats on a jet are a commodity. Pay what you want, for the time you fly. We all should be treated equal when it comes to our bags.

the airlines IMO have created their own monster. Charging $25-1000 for a ticket change. Charging $10 to $50 for going through a live person. Telling a person that "first class is to valuable to give away, even when empty seats are available to those that have a medical need.

I think th epoint you are trying to mkae would be more valid if the "high-priced" airlines did not offer the same fares. Or is it a case that spend more, should get more in return to "protections:? Should someone being willing or able to spend more, get preferential treatment? Particularly under terms of the law.

of course high priced airlines has to match budget airline prices. you may not be so picky about $35 or whatever, but there are plenty of others that are. all i'm saying is, consolidating baggage handling, etc. are part of their effort in trying to cut costs.

i personally don't think it's unreasonable to charge (quite a lot, some times) for change of schedule. this isn't like taking a bus - reservations are compulsory on airplanes and they are made days, weeks in advance. you can't just expect to change the schedule on the fly and not pay for it.

if you didn't pay for first class, you shouldn't complain that there are empty seats in the first class. it's up to the airline to decide who they want in the first class - you have absolutely no basis to complain if they don't let you sit in an empty seat in the first class. (medical or not - if you have a medical condition that would benefit from flying in first class, perhaps you should pay for it?)

in any case, yes, of course, if you are wiling to pay more, you should get preferential treatment in terms of service - that's why you pay more. :rolleyes: (i don't know what you are talking about the terms of the law.) if you fly direct, there's less chance for you to lose the luggage. if you fly first class, you are allowed more carry on. etc.
 
jxyama said:
of course high priced airlines has to match budget airline prices. you may not be so picky about $35 or whatever, but there are plenty of others that are. all i'm saying is, consolidating baggage handling, etc. are part of their effort in trying to cut costs.

Most of this stuff was not needed to be worried about by consumers till they started to de-regulate the airlines. In some cases like airlines , phones, electric - regulation is good!

jxyama said:
i personally don't think it's unreasonable to charge (quite a lot, some times) for change of schedule. this isn't like taking a bus - reservations are compulsory on airplanes and they are made days, weeks in advance. you can't just expect to change the schedule on the fly and not pay for it.

Yeah, right. You reserve two to three months ahead. And even if you try to make changes the next day, you might want to find that grease! It is greed plain and simple.

jxyama said:
if you didn't pay for first class, you shouldn't complain that there are empty seats in the first class. it's up to the airline to decide who they want in the first class - you have absolutely no basis to complain if they don't let you sit in an empty seat in the first class. (medical or not - if you have a medical condition that would benefit from flying in first class, perhaps you should pay for it?)


As far as paying for it, it must be nice to have the $1200 that they wanted to charge me over what my company had already paid. At least America West charges not much more than $100 to upgrade if the space is available.

The case I was making reference of was a personal one. And I would not have even thought of making such a request unless the seed was planted by my Doctor. Evidently American and TWA at the time had much friendlier skies. I was given a letter of request by the Doctor for hardship consideration of accommodation to First Class. made a call to UA from my hospital bed (first for a change in schedule, they first demanded that I pay $100 to change my ticket - they relented). When I finally got some one with a heart, I was told such considerations were made on a space available basis at the airport. Just bring a letter and my records from my doctor.

My complaint is that the Station Manger did not care whom I had talked too. What paperwork I had. Her exact words were, "First Class is too valuable to just give away". One side of the company should not set expectations that the other has no intentions of doing.

Funny thing was this was the time UA was running those commercials about just how their customers felt when they themselves were treated in the same manner.

jxyama said:
in any case, yes, of course, if you are wiling to pay more, you should get preferential treatment in terms of service - that's why you pay more. :rolleyes: (i don't know what you are talking about the terms of the law.) if you fly direct, there's less chance for you to lose the luggage. if you fly first class, you are allowed more carry on. etc.

Sorry, but that class attitude does not fly with me in most cases (no pun intended). It is not just the airlines any more. What happened to doing what is the best for the customer? Why should I pay more at Universal Studios to get better treatment?
 
Delthalaz said:
Hey, this is my first post and I have no idea what to do.. sorry if I sound upset, but I am.

It was a 40 GB Ipod that I got only in February as a birthday present.. this is very distressing for me.

I flew from JFK to Cleveland yesterday and (stupidly) had my ipod in my luggage. I realized today when I unpacked that my IPOD was not there! I noticed that there is a "US Department of Homeland Security TSA-JFK Cleared" sticker on my luggage which means the bastards at JFK went through my luggage.

This means my IPOD was stolen by the bastard TSA homeland security officials at JFK! What do I do? Who do I contact? (i.e. call the police? which police?)

I suppose the airlines and the airport wave all responsibility for lost or stolen items.. is there any chance I'll get my ipod back or get reimbursed or something by anyone?

Thanks,

Stephen

And now that they're federal employees you can't sue the airline!!
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Sorry, but that class attitude does not fly with me in most cases (no pun intended). It is not just the airlines any more. What happened to doing what is the best for the customer? Why should I pay more at Universal Studios to get better treatment?

sorry, i don't understand. what do you mean by "doing what's best for the customer?"? customers who are "better" customers have always gotten better treatment. it has nothing to do with class. if you get discriminated or made to feel uncomfortable in the economy class in comparison to other people who paid (roughly) the same fare, i can understand. but to say airline's doing something wrong if they treat first class customers differently from the economy class ones is non-sense.

anyway, i quit because this is so far off topic. (which is what i imagined would happen... should know better and keep my mouth shut. :D)
 
rueyeet said:
You might want to do something about which metal is in your jewelry

It doesnt really bother me. Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.

Matters not to me..
 
rhpenguin said:
Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.


:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Hmmmmm

rhpenguin said:
It doesnt really bother me. Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.

Matters not to me..

Totally off-topic, but I am dying to know... did it hurt, having that piercing ?
 
I have whats called the apadravya (im not going to post links directly to pictures because its unapropriate for these boards, but if its peeking your interest go to METAFlesh and check out some info on it yourself). When i got it, it felt like fire was shooting up my legs. Ive never felt such pain, but it was nothing managable (like any other piercing) and it was all but gone a few hours after i got it. If your looking for a male genatalia piercing that doesnt hurt a lot though go with a prince albert. They dont hurt at all.

Let me tell you though, lots of benifits from this piercing. Its totaly worth it. (Again, not going into detail because its inaproprate).

dotnina, lol... Its not a huge deal, If my piercing comes up in conversation and someone wants to see it, i have no problems with that. Its just my genitals and its not like any other male on the planet doesnt have simular equipment.
 
wPod said:
i dont want to give any ideas to terrorists,

Expect a special visit from the men in black soon... :eek:

Oh wait, they only come out for aliens, hmm...

Maybe J. Edgar Rumsfeld will send a detail to deal with the national threat :rolleyes:

At least you didn't say bomb on an airplane

Best wishes on the recovery!
 
I don't know how the TSA process works, but it's not likely that the perp would leave their calling card. I'd train my focus on anyone else who would have come in contact with your bag. I know some conspirists would think, "But that's the perfect way to deflect attention! They rip you off and leave their card in your bag...no one would ever suspect them to be so stupid!"

Save it for the movies. It's more likely that it was someone working on either side of the TSA inspector...on the periphery. First, assuming your bag may have become suspect in the first place due to some detection device is a dead giveaway to anyone with half a brain that there's something of interest in that bag, probably electronic.

Second, if I'm a "criminally inclined" handler, chances are ANY bag coming through TSA's detour lane is probably worth a look-see for small electronic devices before it gets to the plane. Even if I'm in earshot of the TSA people and happen to overhear something like, "Oh, it's just another one of those f#*king iPods again". Third, what if I just happened to have seen the TSA inspector pull the iPod out of your suitcase and inspect it before putting it back. Now I know exactly where I can find it in a hurry.

Most criminals will, by nature, try to avoid being caught. As such, a small-time criminal ripping you off and leaving a calling card behind WOULD be stupid, because they assume, by conscious guilt, that they'll be the FIRST person questioned by authorities later as a result...a confrontation they'd have to prepare mentally for, later. And for what...an iPod? Not likely.
 
evilgEEk said:
And this is why I have never checked a single bag in all my flights. One carry-on piece of luggage and my backpack, that's all I need.

I hope you can get your iPod back. :(

I was talking to a few friends about this. They agreed that there is finger pointing all way around.

What one does now is that they send a UPS/FedEX package of their clothes and needs for a trip to the hotel for the day before or the day of their arrival. And then sends back the same way with what ever goodies they may have bought. They just take advantage of their carry-on limits.
 
rhpenguin said:
I have whats called the apadravya (im not going to post links directly to pictures because its unapropriate for these boards, but if its peeking your interest go to METAFlesh and check out some info on it yourself). When i got it, it felt like fire was shooting up my legs. Ive never felt such pain, but it was nothing managable (like any other piercing) and it was all but gone a few hours after i got it. If your looking for a male genatalia piercing that doesnt hurt a lot though go with a prince albert. They dont hurt at all.

Let me tell you though, lots of benifits from this piercing. Its totaly worth it. (Again, not going into detail because its inaproprate).

dotnina, lol... Its not a huge deal, If my piercing comes up in conversation and someone wants to see it, i have no problems with that. Its just my genitals and its not like any other male on the planet doesnt have simular equipment.

Too bad some here would be offended (in a non-Apple hardware section of course) by a civil discussion of piercing. Though some do deal with airport security, much more so than yours would I think. I have a fairly thick gage (forgot how much) with my nipple piercing. And that has never set off metal detectors so far.

A side note: Talk of the pain involved with piercing is relative to the person receiving the piercing. Sort of like what it feels like getting a tattoo. For me it wasn't that bad, even though one was on a less "meaty" part of my body.
 
tsaxer said:
Expect a special visit from the men in black soon... :eek:

Oh wait, they only come out for aliens, hmm...

Maybe J. Edgar Rumsfeld will send a detail to deal with the national threat :rolleyes:

At least you didn't say bomb on an airplane

Best wishes on the recovery!

Sad state is that there are many of us that see the flaws in the security that is there to protect us. This from people like wPod, and myself that probably don't have a high level of experience in security. Some of it seems to be to make us "feel" safer, not be "safer".

A thought about the behind the scenes screening process. In the DC area there is not a grocery store or major retailer that doesn't have a camera on each cashier. The same should be done with TSA agents that open our bags from our view. Or in the least for those of us that are concerned about loss of goods; give us the opportunity to have our bags inspected in front of us.
 
rt_brained said:
I don't know how the TSA process works, but it's not likely that the perp would leave their calling card. I'd train my focus on anyone else who would have come in contact with your bag. I know some conspirists would think, "But that's the perfect way to deflect attention! They rip you off and leave their card in your bag...no one would ever suspect them to be so stupid!"

Save it for the movies. It's more likely that it was someone working on either side of the TSA inspector...on the periphery. First, assuming your bag may have become suspect in the first place due to some detection device is a dead giveaway to anyone with half a brain that there's something of interest in that bag, probably electronic.

Second, if I'm a "criminally inclined" handler, chances are ANY bag coming through TSA's detour lane is probably worth a look-see for small electronic devices before it gets to the plane. Even if I'm in earshot of the TSA people and happen to overhear something like, "Oh, it's just another one of those f#*king iPods again". Third, what if I just happened to have seen the TSA inspector pull the iPod out of your suitcase and inspect it before putting it back. Now I know exactly where I can find it in a hurry.

Most criminals will, by nature, try to avoid being caught. As such, a small-time criminal ripping you off and leaving a calling card behind WOULD be stupid, because they assume, by conscious guilt, that they'll be the FIRST person questioned by authorities later as a result...a confrontation they'd have to prepare mentally for, later. And for what...an iPod? Not likely.
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You provide some good thought to my previous post. Since if we don't have a TSA approved lock (meaning one; TSA can open, and I assume the less desirable elements of society), that lock may be cut off by the TSA to inspect baggage according to being the "x th" bag in line or a bag that scans shows something that requires attention.

Why not provide to any traveler that requests it a sealable tag like those used on interstate transit trucks? They carry a serial number. If the TSA had to break that "seal", their notice of inspection would be a similar device attached to the baggage. This would deter the common thieves among us.

Again video surveillance of a TSA inspection would be done. Relative simple technology exists to allow for syncing of the original baggage ID, to the TSA inspection ID. IMO the reason that we don't see this is one of easy finger pointing by the TSA and the airlines. Also the attitude by some that everyone is a criminal. Meaning that Delthalaz's claim is now a three way split.

Delthalaz claims that an iPod was in the checked bag (not doubting your claim here Delthalaz). TSA will say that their people did no wrong. And the airline saying that they bear no responsibility for the loss. How is Delthalaz to prove that they had an iPod in their bag? Unlike homeowners/renters insurance (at least in my own experience), the burden of proof seems to be on the flyer that the piece missing was there to begin with.

Some have tried to make it seem that the airlines (and because of the requirements by the government - meaning the TSA) are limited in their responsibilities. This is two-fold IMO. One is the contract, and the other deals with customer service.

As much as I love a low airfare, I am also willing to pay more for the service. Meaning an airline that did duck the issue of delayed or lost baggage or personal items, that had compassionate policies, and cared for the customer - I would be willing to pay a "fair" price for that airline.

I have had first hand reports from friends and associates that paid $1200 to go from IAD to PHX (or similar fares) getting the same runaround as those that paid $200 on delayed baggage or lost items.

Yes, direct flights help. But not always. Yes, jxyama, flying a "main" carrier may help - but not always. the realities are is that if they can take "higher priced cargo"; but try and time your bags arrival with other flights they will do it.
 
iGary said:
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.

iGary - you're clueless. You can get compensation for it. You'll have to fight for it, and it will surely take some time and effort, but go for it! Hold them accountable!
 
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