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I just opened a wonderful present from my mom and dad -- a new PowerM...erm... Mac Pro. It was a surprise, and what a great one.

I'm a little amused/concerned about my mom's buying experience, though. She ordered the machine over the phone from Apple. She has almost negative knowledge about computers, so whenever she has bought one for me as a gift, she calls Apple up to get advice and place the order with a live person.

The weird part about the order is that the guy talked her into buying three GeForce 7300 cards. When I asked her why the upgrade, she said she was told that's what you'd want to have if you were "making a web site."

I guarantee you that she had no intention of outfitting me with a system to run six monitors simultaneously, and wouldn't have asked for that upgrade without being convinced it was a good idea. Why would the dude from Apple up-sell three graphics cards to someone who clearly doesn't know the first thing about computers?

Just seems kinda weird to me. Maybe Apple's trying to get rid of these GeForce 7300s? Must mean an upgrade's around the corner! :p

Yeah,
return the unwanted graphic cards and get some more ram, unless it's already maxed out !!!

Enjoy.

Dave :cool:
 
So your mom spends several thousand dollars on a Christmas present and then worries it might not be good enough for you? Are you friggin kidding me??!! :eek: :eek:

No offense, but you are either spoiled or rich or both. You guys should try to get on the Dr. Phil show!

All I ever remember getting for Christmas was a toy gun and an electric train that probably cost $50. I got the train one year and the toy gun the next.

Because it is that much money she was probably worried. Nothing bad in worrying over whether a present will be liked/perfect. It doesn't really matter how much it costs.
Just because it is a lot of money doesn't mean it is crazy. People get bought cars all the time. Just because you or I never got any present like this doesn't make it crazy. The important thing is to appreciate it.
 
So your mom spends several thousand dollars on a Christmas present and then worries it might not be good enough for you? Are you friggin kidding me??!! :eek: :eek:

No offense, but you are either spoiled or rich or both. You guys should try to get on the Dr. Phil show!

I would hope that she would be worried that the "several thousand dollars" wasn't "good enough." If she bought it on a whim like it was nothing, you might have had a point. But, when the buyer is worried, I think it says quite a bit about how concerned they are.

When I bought Lori's engagement ring, I was panicking over whether or not she would like it. The ring served double duty as a Christmas present. Lori bought me a DSLR setup with body, 3 lenses, bag, etc. for Christmas this year. But it also served as my brithday present for this and probably next year. Just because someone spends a lot of money on one item doesn't make either party rich or spoiled. Actually, it is pretty common for people (especially when the recipient is old enough to understand how finances work) to have one large useful gift serve for many holidays rather than giving some small useless trinket each time.

Back on topic, I'm glad things worked our for your (apple_iBoy) mom. I can imagine the lecture that the salesman is going to be getting about being careful on the upsell. "You can do it when people are buying for themselves - you never know how experienced a gift recipient will be!";) In your description, I can totally see my mom having the same experience. It makes for an uplifting Christmas tale.:)
 
I'm happy to say this saga came to a satisfactory conclusion. I called Apple today and explained the situation. I asked if it would be possible to send two of the video cards back, with the expectation of paying a restocking fee. The customer service person immediately got a supervisor, who gave permission to return the cards without any fee.

I'm very pleased about the outcome and Apple's cooperative spirit, and my mom's gonna get about $300 back on her credit card.


Looks like I spoke too soon. :mad:

When I got my good news about returning the two extra vid cards on Tuesday, I was told the FedEX return label would arrive in my email probably in 10 or 15 minutes, but might be delayed up to 24 hours because there were a lot of after-Christmas returns to process.

Fast forward to today, Friday, and I still haven't gotten this emailed RMA. A call this morning led me to another rep who looked up the case, but can't locate the return order. She says she'll put the request back in again, and to check my email in 10 or 15 minutes.

Several hours later, still no email from Apple. I call back yet again.

This time, when the representative investigates, she tells me that what I was told on Tuesday was incorrect. Apple will not allow me to send back the video cards. The request was cancelled by the returns department and kicked back to the representative.

I ask to speak to the floor supervisor. He comes on, and is friendly enough, but is firm in his stance that video cards cannot be returned by themselves. My only option is to ship entire computer back, and repurchase again. He helpfully suggests that if the funds are available, I can order the new system now, and then get a refund that would be processed within a certain many business days after Apple receives the original system. Hmmm... let me just pull another 3 grand outta my mom's pocketbook... just for a little bit. :rolleyes:

We politely but firmly went back and forth for a bit. I expressed my extreme displeasure about the situation, and reminded him what a faithful customer of Apple my mother has been over the years (never anything new for herself, always to give as gifts to others, spreading Mac love far and wide). I reminded him another supervisor/rep combo had ok-ed the card return and told me I was all set, back on Tuesday. But no dice. It's the whole computer or nothing.

I ask if I can take the system in to the Apple store in King of Prussia. No, he says, shipping it back is the only way.

Finally, in a conciliatory move for which I do give him credit, the supervisor offers to give my mom $100 back on the order, and I don't send the cards or the computer or anything else back. I didn't jump up and down for joy, but I pondered for a few moments and figured out that's probably the best I was going to be able to do... and based on my experience this week, I had better make sure it was a done deal before I got off the phone, or the next supervisor I would have to call "might not know anything about what was said or not said in an earlier call" (paraphrase of his words to me about the reason my mom would buy 3 video cards in the first place). He then makes a little joke about how maybe I'd someday need three video cards anyway. Hah. Yeah, if that day ever comes, let me make sure I take a real close look at the competition for Apple's displays.

So, here are my gripes about this situation, in chronological order:
  • Apple sells my mom something she doesn't need. This point is universally agreed upon by several Apple customer service reps and a tech rep, whom I called for an unrelated reason (and who asked me if the computer was stock config or upgraded, and got an earful of a reply).
  • Apple customer service rep+supervisor tell me a return of the cards is A-OK, and tell me I'll be receiving a return label ASAP.
  • return is denied by another department at Apple, kicked back to the representative
  • said representative does not contact me, as I was told he should have, to inform me of the changed status of my case
  • rep #2 can't find the return request, but tells me that she'll prepare another one and I'll get it in 10-15 minutes
  • rep #3 looks up the order number, and sees that the email address, assumedly entered by the rep #2, was none@nowhere.com or something like that. Great... if it had been approved, I wouldn't have gotten it anyway.
  • Supervisor (Friday) does not honor the agreement I made with rep+supervisor (Tuesday).

Now, just to balance things out, here are the positive sides of this situation:
  • My mom gets $100 from Apple (part of me wants to say "I'll believe it when she sees it" but I'll be charitable). I have two extra video cards, which I may or may not be able to sell for some reasonable amount of money to put into my mom's upcoming birthday present (she won't take the cash from me).
  • I have a very nice new computer that I should be reading the results of the 2012 elections on and still be thinking "damn this is a nice computer!"
  • I'll be giving my folks my Power Mac G4, about 4 years old and still a very, very slick machine (looking at it, I'm reminded why I still love Apple, despite my current annoyance). This will be replacing an ancient iMac G3 that they inherited from me. (some pics from the "changing of the guard" http://flickr.com/photos/26004465@N00/ )
  • someone will probably post in to say I'm a spoiled brat who had it coming to him anyway, and everyone reading can have a good-natured chuckle at my expense.
 
You do have a very nice computer, and it is a much nicer computer than most people have someone else buy them as a present, let alone much nicer than most presents I gave or received when I had an $80,000 income all to myself....

But that does not excuse or contribute in any way to interpreting Apple's response. With a Mac Pro, things like video cards are as user installable as RAM is. Apple should have really tried harder to go the extra step to resolve this issue with you. Their final token, while clearly a sign of good intentions by the CSR, wasn't really a fair resolution.

If you really want to, sell the extra GeForces... it's a nuisance, but they seem to go for $70-80, and between that and the $100, you'll come close back to being even.

Anyway, for what it's worth, you have a very nice computer, and it will last you a good long time.

Sorry you didn't get exactly the resolution you wanted to the issue; I do hope you enjoy your MP. :)
 
yes that is VERY odd. I would call apple and have a word with them and return the machine. 3 graphics cards isn't a upsell like say, more ram or a bigger harddrive which even if you don't understand them you'll still get lots of use from them.

This is just over kill.

I agree. Whoever did this doesn't deserve to be giving people advice in purchasing a computer. My grandmother was talked into buying a $3200 powerbook when all she needed was a $1,000 ibook. It really is a shame.
 
Just in case anyone's wondering about reselling GeForce 7300 cards, I was able to sell both of them for $100 each on craigslist.org in only a day. Add to that the $100 that Apple is supposedly refunding on the order, and the entire amount of the B.T.O. option is accounted for.
 
In my family there is no surprises for anything over $25 dollars in value, and thats the way I like it. We discuss things in advance to make its something we need and it will be useful and etc. I know its less fun, but in the end its much more practical, especially if they are trying to buy something for you that they have very little idea about.
 
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