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~Shard~ said:
I agree, this would not be practical at all. The sensitivity required would be significant, and as a result, your screen would be hopping all over the place.

Plus, what about those of us with photographic memories who simply scan a page as a whole, or who have wide fields of vision such that our eyes don't even move that much?

And what happens if you blink? Does that constitiute a mouse click? Left click = left eye, right click = right eye? ;) :p :D

Wow, there would be a lot of users ending up with headaches with that system in place - both from the eye strain as well as the frustration! :D :cool:

LOL, the best part was the mentioning of the eyeball blinking doing the clicking
 
Peyton said:
I don't know if they could do this in leopard, or 10.6, or 10.7, but it seems to me that because Macs are coming with isights, apple could get creative with what they do with it.

idea...

Use the isight to watch the iris of your eyes and as you look down, the page scrolls with you so that you are always looking at the center of the screen (of course this would get annoying in some things so you would need to turn it off)

Use in games, first person shooters etc.

I think it would be really helpful for MBP and MB users because while the new scroll pad is nice, this makes it a lot cooler and easier imo.

thoughts?

:D...making me laugh right now...I'm bursting out in laughter right now...are you serious?
 
That's a neat idea but how about this.

Software so that when you open the MBP you look into the iSight and it scans your iris to unlock the computer. Obviously you'd be able to turn this feature off, set it up to work with more than one person. I think it could work though.
 
FF_productions said:
:D...making me laugh right now...I'm bursting out in laughter right now...are you serious?

I mean, there are some people who think out of the box, and some that just laugh at them.
People laughed at the thought of everyone having a TV, a PC, etc.

The world is large, explore, and before you laugh, evolve
 
Peyton said:
The world is large, explore, and before you laugh, evolve

It does seem like a limited idea at the moment. Come on? Controlling your screen via your eyes? Your eyes dart around anyway...I doubt it's feasible at the moment. It certainly would be very interesting indeed. You'd have to have some sort of threshold to control movement detection...ah, it seems very complex at the moment. I like my mouse.
 
killuminati said:
That's a neat idea but how about this.

Software so that when you open the MBP you look into the iSight and it scans your iris to unlock the computer. Obviously you'd be able to turn this feature off, set it up to work with more than one person. I think it could work though.

I think it could be easier than this, even. No need for iris or retina scans, which require you to be precisely positioned with respect to the camera. Instead, license the technology from these guys for facial recognition patterns. It takes a picture, compares it to the one it took when you first install OS X, and voila, unlocked.
 
hmmmm i dunno about controlling your computer with a blink of an eye or putting ur computer to sleep by winking at the isight :) Yeah the idea isnt very practical.

I think apple should make the iMac or Macbooks very 'point-of-sale' friendly... used in shops to scan barcodes and used in retail more effectively. The 'Del.ici.ous library' software seems to have the right idea. Apple should exploit that, and the potential for macs to be a superior point-of-sale computer.
 
Doctor Q said:
We won't need cameras watching our movements once brainwave patterns can be monitored and interpreted accurately. Put on your headset, think "left", and the cursor will move left. The interesting part will be when you see a DELETE ALL FILES button on the screen and think to yourself "be sure not to CLICK THAT BUTTON!"

There are interesting conversations to be had about this, but in truth the brain is far too dynamic in the way it wires itself up to ever really be monitored in this way, at least in the near future. It is well known that disabled people often re-use the part of their brain that is not receiving input from a non-functional sense. This does not always happen, but it is not uncommon.

Also, children come only half wired up. For the first 15 years or so, the brain uses programs itself according to how it tends to be used.

So, if this ever did happen, extensive configuration would be required for it to be much use on a computer.
 
Ignore all the naysayers and stupid negative fools who say things like 'just think about it, it's bound not to work'.

See if you can get it to work. It's not harmful or illegal or wasteful so definitely worth trying.

Certainly someone, somewhere will come up with a interesting application field for it.

Might not be in screen scrolling, might be in something else entirely.

To be honest, I was rather sickened by the pooh-poohing of some respected Macrumours members in this thread. My respect for you guys has gone down somewhat.

One reason for their reaction might be that you don't seem to have the knowedge to try to implement your idea. You could try reading up on some basic Apple programming tools, and visual interface tools - there are some toolkits around on the internet - and try to hack something together.

Giving it a go, even if you fail in the attempt, would get you taken a lot more seriously.

Best wishes,

.. RedTomato..
 
I don’t think its that unrealistic, some Logitech cameras can follow the persons face, so there is already some sort of partial way to track motion in consumer level tech.

I do like the idea of facial reconditioning for autentication.

edit: Just came to me, why not make the imac similair the the Logitech cam i gave in the link, have the entire imac follow you as your face moves? Would require a few more moving parts to move something as big and heavy as the imac but that would be rather cool! hehe
 
RedTomato said:
Ignore all the naysayers and stupid negative fools who say things like 'just think about it, it's bound not to work'.

See if you can get it to work. It's not harmful or illegal or wasteful so definitely worth trying.

Certainly someone, somewhere will come up with a interesting application field for it.

Might not be in screen scrolling, might be in something else entirely.

To be honest, I was rather sickened by the pooh-poohing of some respected Macrumours members in this thread. My respect for you guys has gone down somewhat.

One reason for their reaction might be that you don't seem to have the knowedge to try to implement your idea. You could try reading up on some basic Apple programming tools, and visual interface tools - there are some toolkits around on the internet - and try to hack something together.

Giving it a go, even if you fail in the attempt, would get you taken a lot more seriously.

Best wishes,

.. RedTomato..

You're absolutely right.

1. I do not have a lot of technical experience with this sort of thing, I should learn more about it before trying to explain every part.

2. I never thought of this as a mouse replacement, only enhancement for people that are scroll weary (as I can become) and for other more interesting uses in apps etc. (who has 1000s of songs and pictures...)

3. I'm in college now, but this summer, maybe I'll see what I can come up with. As already mentioned, think delicious library has something...
 
max_altitude said:
Interesting idea, but I think people's eyes move around too much for it to be very practical.
My thoughts exactly. You might look up at a person who is talking to you or something and bang, you've just lost your place on an incredibly long article or something along those lines...
 
Lollypop said:
I do like the idea of facial reconditioning for autentication.

But a password works fine! What happens if you grow a beard or suffer some horrible injury to your face - you're buggered!
 
harveypooka said:
But a password works fine! What happens if you grow a beard or suffer some horrible injury to your face - you're buggered!

That reminds me of that scene in Judge Dredd where the evil guy's voicebox gets damaged and the sentry rifles no longer recognize his commands not to shoot him.

Don't ask me why I remember that, I didn't even like the movie... :eek: ;)
 
harveypooka said:
But a password works fine! What happens if you grow a beard or suffer some horrible injury to your face - you're buggered!

dependsing on the resolution and other capabilities of the scanner and the software something like a beard wont change the facial pattern.

Things like the facial measurements and the distance between the eyes, the eyes and the nose, nose and mouth determine the signature of a persons face. A horrible injury will likely result in your face having a new signature, but be honest, how often to people have horrible injuries to their face?
 
Yeah, they do that in Demolition Man with the blokes eye...and also The Fly (Cronenberg version)...computer will no longer recognise his voice! Why! Because he's a FLY!
 
jacobj said:
There are interesting conversations to be had about this, but in truth the brain is far too dynamic in the way it wires itself up to ever really be monitored in this way, at least in the near future.
I saw a demonstration where a man's brain was monitored and he played a skiing videogame by thinking "left" and "right" to move the animated character as it navigated slalom poles on the screen. The computer wasn't really identifying words or ideas, but it could distinguish the signals it detected in the two cases. I imagine it took a bit of training before it worked.

I'd love to know more about the state of this type of technology today, in particular how many "mindstates" can be distinguished before and after training, and how accurate it is.
 
I have an idea for use of the iSight. The iSight could be used for optical character recognition, for example upon recognising the words "Cheetos" appearing in its field of view, the computer would issue a warning that I'm "fat enough already" and that "you're supposed to be on a diet".

I call this system, the "iWife".
 
max_altitude said:
Interesting idea, but I think people's eyes move around too much for it to be very practical.

Paralyzed people have been using this technology for close to 20 years. It works well, but there is a learning curve.
 
Doctor Q said:
Here's something along those lines: iGesture, based on gestures in front of a videocamera. It can't resolve details such as eye movement, but it can recognize specifically colored objects and be trained to react to their movement.

Movie of the system in action on an iMac

Lol... the guy playing the MIDI device through hand gestures is HILARIOUS!

kind of looks like the tin man from wizard of oz trying to breakdance :D
 
Doctor Q said:
I'd love to know more about the state of this type of technology today, in particular how many "mindstates" can be distinguished before and after training, and how accurate it is.

Mindstates. That would be very interesting indeed. But I reckon you're right about the devices just picking up electrical signals. I reckon with focus you can think 'more left' if you get what I mean, so the signal would be stronger. I'm still waiting for neural implants...
 
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